Nadril Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 (I'm making a new thread for this rather than bump up the old thread as it was about the beta + OP doesn't update it at all.) So this is a thread to discuss the game Heroes of Newerth, which is a "DoTA style" RTS that places an emphasis on teamwork and personal skill rather than micro. I will keep any resources here that I find can help out new players to the game. Questions and Answers: What is the difference between DoTA, HoN and LoL? DoTA and HoN are very similar in terms of mechanics. THIS is a great explanation of what has crossed over from DoTA and what is different. The differences between HoN and LoL are fairly numerous. While they both are the same style game LoL puts more of an emphasis on a casual friendly experience. (with "leveling up" a global player who has talents and such that effect your in game stats). Heroes of Newerth was built from the ground up as a competitive and spectator game. Everyone starts on the same playing field from the moment you start the game, the only difference being personal skill and team composition. Mechanically there are several things that separate the two games. HoN has what we call "denying" which is, essentially, killing your own creep when it reaches a certain % of hp to deny a portion of the XP to the enemy. (You can also deny an ally player if they are low enough and have a lethal DoT) LoL has no such thing as denying creeps or heroes. Also unless I'm wrong (someone correct me here) LoL has no such thing as runes, which are "buffs" that spawn every 2:00 minutes in the river. The map is also significantly different, alongside of a lot of other mechanical differences that aren't worth mentioning. How much does HoN cost? $30 one time fee. How many heroes (characters) are there? There are currently 70 heroes in the game. 22 of those heroes are original S2 or community creations and the other 58 are DoTA ports. Resources and links: www.honcast.comThis is for watching competitive matches of HoN. They tend to shoutcast a lot of the stuff that happens on the competitive scene and it is well worth watching to get a better understanding of the game and how the "pros" play. www.hondb.comJust a simple database with heroes, items, skills, ect. Can be useful. Hero Guideshttp://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=172426 [hide]Legion Agility:andr: - Andromeda [Sye, Sympathies]:engi: - Engineer [YawningAngel]:mage: - Magebane [None]:moon: - Moon Queen [Distort3d]:nigh: - Night Hound [Lujo]:scou: - Scout [ObeseSheep]:swif: - Swiftblade [LegoPirate]:valk: - Valkyrie [ugapa]:wild: - Wildsoul [Griffith]:zeph: - Zephyr [None] IntelligenceNo Picture - Bombardier [None]:blac: - Blacksmith [Padawanabee]:bubb: - Bubbles [None]:glac: - Glacius [None]:nymp: - Nymphora [None]:ophe: - Ophelia [None]:poll: - Pollywog Priest [None]:pyro: - Pyromancer [kirbyruled]:temp: - Tempest [None]:chip: - The Chipper [None]:thun: - Thunderbringer [None]:vind: - Vindicator [None]:witc: - Witch Slayer [None] Strength:arma: - Armadon [None]:behe: - Behemoth [None]:hamm: - Hammerstorm [None]:jera: - Jeraziah [None]:keep: - Keeper of the Forest [Benny`, Drasha]:legi: - Legionnaire [ElementUser]:pand: - Pandamonium [None]:pebb: - Pebbles [None]:pred: - Predator [None]:ramp: - Rampage [None]:glad: - Gladiator [RogerDodger]:tund: - Tundra [None] Agility:arac: - Arachna [Shadowcamsy]:bloo: - Blood Hunter [None]:chro: - Chronos [Blue_Aura]:corr: - Corrupted Disciple [Eldest]:fayd: - Fayde [Weasel_Boy]No picture - Flint Beastwood [Katboi]:fors: - Forsaken Archer [Rean]:sand: - Sand Wraith [None]:slit: - Slither [sakendevil]:souls: - Soulstealer [Glorify]:dark: - The Dark Lady [Vahn1670]:madm: - The Madman [Hopea`] Intelligence:defi: - Defiler [None]:deme: - Demented Shaman [JoeMartin]:doct: - Doctor Repulsor [None]:hell: - Hellbringer [None]:plag: - Plague Rider [None]:pupp: - Puppet Master [cloud9]:soulr: - Soul Reaper [None]:succ: - Succubus [None]:tort: - Torturer [None]:vood: - Voodoo Jester [yyr_]:wret: - Wretched Hag [jay`t, Soul_Thirst]Strength:accu: - Accursed [None]:balp: - Balphagore [None]:dead: - Deadwood [TaeYeon]:devo: - Devourer [Delfofthebla]:elec: - Electrician [None]:gaun: - Gauntlet [RogerDodger]:krak: - Kraken [None]:magm: - Magmus [Padawanabee]:mali: - Maliken [Passthechips]:pest: - Pestilence [None]:phar: - Pharaoh [dune]:warb: - War Beast [Lethe]Links in Deep Sky Blue are Premium GuidesLinks in normal link colour are normal guides.[/hide] Finally feel free to add me or Elk if you have any questions or want to learn a bit more. Players:nadril - CyrantElkNight - ElkNighti_am_dan - i_am_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Cyrant #1 feeder. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Cyrant #1 feeder. Stats beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkDude Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I need to start playing this however each time I try to I get shouted at for not knowing what I'm doing. Or using the abilities at the wrong time and things that I need time to learn how to do properly. That's why I've not played much, don't have time to play a game where I can't practice what I need to without pissing other people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 I need to start playing this however each time I try to I get shouted at for not knowing what I'm doing. Or using the abilities at the wrong time and things that I need time to learn how to do properly. That's why I've not played much, don't have time to play a game where I can't practice what I need to without pissing other people off. No statsNo statsNo statsNo stats Seriously. No one really gives a crap what goes on in No stats unless they're just a tryhard or rager by nature. Feel free to add me and/or Elk and we can play some no stats games with you to help teach you the ropes. I mean if Elk (the lesser of the two) can teach Wongtong how to play this game pretty decently I think we can help you out. e: Hell we could do a no stats no ab game if we got a bunch of us on (Me, Elk, you, dan, wongtong) and just help you guys out. Could teach you guys a lot about team composition, laning strategy and the like. I mean me and Elk aren't the best players out there (Elk pretty terrible and gets carried by me) but I am technically in the top 1% or so of HoN players PSR wise. :P (almost 1800) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 This dude right here. I support the hell out it. And I carry SS mid so hard son. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamdan Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 we were winning but wongtong (our carry) lagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 She was carryin hard with that healer :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiny Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I'm scared to try this because I'd be raged hard. And I also have too many games on my radar right now. TF2, Minecraft, L4D2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guthorm Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 LoL does have buffs but they spawn in the jungle :P [Guild Wars 2-In game screenshot, the MMORPG you are waiting for. Click for thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_bert Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 ign: LemonyTang 'Tis I, 'tis Vindice, 'tis I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 we were winning but wongtong (our carry) laggedAccursed isn't a carry :D Pesti/Glad were the closest things we had to a carry. Although that is only if you build them right. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wongtong Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 OHMYGOD, Legionnare is bald. O_O I've always thought that he had orange hair. WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN. I think I must be stupid or something, I've been playing forever and I'm still as bad as a newbie. GAH. The game is starting to bore me, it's pretty repetitive. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezalor Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 Lol nadril likes PebblesPebbles=OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 23, 2010 Author Share Posted October 23, 2010 Lol nadril likes PebblesPebbles=OP. Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 23, 2010 Share Posted October 23, 2010 Not even close. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamdan Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 we were winning but wongtong (our carry) laggedAccursed isn't a carry :D I was kidding :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wongtong Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 we were winning but wongtong (our carry) laggedAccursed isn't a carry :D I was kidding :P Scout is so easy to play. I LIEK HIM. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezalor Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 Lol nadril likes PebblesPebbles=OP. Not really.If he is like in dotaBlink daggerSpell 1, Spell 2GOOOOOODLIIIIKEEEEEEEEE EDIT: Are team setups the same too? (Carry, support dps tank offtank, carry does awrds, support has courier?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 That doesnt mean he is OP....Of course if you let him free farm his PK then its hurr durr pebbles kill everything. But support does wards + chick. And there is not always a hard carry. Lots of teams run like 3 semis and whatnot. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezalor Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 We usually have one carry. Someone that can really push the killslet me check that listlikePollywog PriestSoul ReaperWitch SlayerValkyrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 We usually have one carry. Someone that can really push the killslet me check that listlikePollywog PriestSoul ReaperWitch SlayerValkyrie SR and Valkyrie are the only carries on that list. Pollywog is a pusher and Witch slayer is a ganker/support. Usually i like to only run maybe 1 semi carry or something these days. Game is so reliant on doing well early game now that you can't afford to lose it because you really can't just turtle. (Carry, support dps tank offtank, carry does awrds, support has courier?) Tank? Off tank? This isn't WoW >_>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezalor Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 We usually have one carry. Someone that can really push the killslet me check that listlikePollywog PriestSoul ReaperWitch SlayerValkyrie SR and Valkyrie are the only carries on that list. Pollywog is a pusher and Witch slayer is a ganker/support. Witch Slayer is really a carry, he cant gank on his own (Yeah Impale+Ulti maybe, but thats a waste tbh). He is extremely useful in helping others get kills. Also how can Pollywog be a pusher with only 1 aoe spell and two spells you wont cast on creeps? Usually i like to only run maybe 1 semi carry or something these days. Game is so reliant on doing well early game now that you can't afford to lose it because you really can't just turtle. Trilanes for FB work great for the +200g :3 (Carry, support dps tank offtank, carry does awrds, support has courier?)Tank? Off tank? This isn't WoW >_>.Okay maybe no off tanks but still no tanks? Thats weird. Not even guys like Armadon or Legionnaire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkNight Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I think you are getting your heroes [bleep]ed up dude. 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted October 26, 2010 Author Share Posted October 26, 2010 I'm pretty sure you mean torturer not witch slayer... Witch slayer is Lion. Polywog is a pusher because of her ult. And I don't like the term tank in this game. Lego is an initiator, Armadon is a carry (although he does "tank up" in items). ps: Flint Immortal last game, 4v5 comeback. Get carried GGGGGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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