Essay~~

[Saru Inc]

The nature of morality is such that it is never a fact. To play devils advocate...why is murder immoral?

 

 

My core belief on questions like this is:

 

 

It stops the possibilities that could come from that person, and they were undeserved. The last part is important, because technically prison takes away possibilities.

 

 

Also: Four pages? wow, this forum really likes homosexuals.

[meol]

 

 

Yeah I was thinking about this as I wrote it, I guess it comes down to how large a majority. A 99.999% majority on murder being wrong may be justifiable for it to be near univerally outlawed in every culture. However is it right that 60% of a population can vote to fleece 40% on any issue? or would it make sense to have no law on something unless 90% agrees with it?

 

Just asking for your opinion at this point at what percent of an opinion you feel is sufficient to outlaw a minority.

Exactly! There comes a point where government decides that the a morality must be instituted for the good of society and thus the collective rights of society supersede those of the individual. The issue here is that opponents of homosexual marriage feel that the morality must be instituted for the good of society. The pro- gay marriage do not. That's as simple as it is.

Proponents of gay marriage do not see it as wrong, but think the morality shouldn't be instituted for the rest of society. They think that giving gays that degree of freedom is actually morally right, and feel that morality should be instituted - rights are only infringed if the prohibition stands.

 

Assuming you actually aren't a noncognitivist.

[obfuscator]

 

 

Yeah I was thinking about this as I wrote it, I guess it comes down to how large a majority. A 99.999% majority on murder being wrong may be justifiable for it to be near univerally outlawed in every culture. However is it right that 60% of a population can vote to fleece 40% on any issue? or would it make sense to have no law on something unless 90% agrees with it?

 

Just asking for your opinion at this point at what percent of an opinion you feel is sufficient to outlaw a minority.

Exactly! There comes a point where government decides that the a morality must be instituted for the good of society and thus the collective rights of society supersede those of the individual. The issue here is that opponents of homosexual marriage feel that the morality must be instituted for the good of society. The pro- gay marriage do not. That's as simple as it is.

Proponents of gay marriage do not see it as wrong, but think the morality shouldn't be instituted for the rest of society. They think that giving gays that degree of freedom is actually morally right, and feel that morality should be instituted - rights are only infringed if the prohibition stands.

 

Assuming you actually aren't a noncognitivist.

 

I agree.

 

I do beleive the majority should decide on the laws for all, even if sometimes it's very close. I'm not claiming that the majority of society (where I live at least) would want homosexual marriages to be illegal, although interestingly enough at the time it was legalized it was a minority wanting that done, and the majority wanted to keep the laws the same way.

 

People who (from my experience) want to see homosexual marriages criminalized believe that there's a harm to society by allowing such, and thus for the good of society certain personal rights must be shafted. It's not easy to see the harm in something like that, but it mostly revolves around a continuing retreat from reproduction in society, which will basically collapse our economy in the near future. I had a thread I was going to post about this in particular, but never got around to it...soon, perhaps.

[Ape]

The nature of morality is such that it is never a fact. To play devils advocate...why is murder immoral?

 

 

My core belief on questions like this is:

 

 

It stops the possibilities that could come from that person, and they were undeserved. The last part is important, because technically prison takes away possibilities.

 

 

Also: Four pages? wow, this forum really likes homosexuals.

My dislike of christianity is bigger then my like of homosexuals, hence why I posted so much here. Just throwing that out there

 

You're a man after me own 'eart. ;)

 

I can sum my opinion up on this pretty easily: There is no wrongness in homosexuality besides it's denial of social conformity. It's a shame marriage has become so integrated into modern lifestyle that it determines key attributes of a person's life. I believe religion shouldn't be forced onto anyone and shouldn't be classed as a valid argument, ever. It's a belief, not a fact. Therefore people who believe homosexuality is indecent and wrong - that's fine. But keep it to yourself. I believe every Sunday should be spent playing on Starcraft 2 instead of going to Church, but I don't impose my belief on others.

 

I know that went a tad off-topic and will probably not make me popular around here, but there we are.