Black demon

[mlskid]

Okay, so my stats are in my signature and as you can see, i don't have turm, ovls, or a yak, but I do have extremes. So my question was, would it be worth it to go and kill black demons for a few attack levels until i can afford turm, or should i just go get about 15k crimsons and get a yak, and THEN do whatever I want to make money? :thumbsup:

[Th e Doctor]

Your goal is turmoil? Black demons arent the best money without a yak. And with a yak there are better options. What they are good for is effigies and charms from 96 to 99 summoning for free. Before that you will lose money because you cannon and have no way of banking the ashes.

 

So if your goal is a yak go for black demons

 

If your goal is turmoil go do a better money maker.

[Troll Bomber]

So I'm assuming that you're killing black demons to use the ash for personal use on training prayer?

 

If so, I would just go with it first, rather than trying to get 15k crims and grind summoning.

 

(If you're using ashes for personal use), how much is money an issue? Can you afford to cannon + melee? You can get quite a few crims/hr, plus attack xp, plus ashes. So if money's not an issue, you may want to look into that.

 

Are you going to be urning ash or banking it? bringing along 6 urns (150 demons) would leave you enough space to effectively kill 150 of those in the alloted time (esp with exts. + cannon). However if you're banking your ash for later us at ecto/altar, cannoning or killing in general might become a bit more tedious.

 

Personally I'd go the option of using cannon + melee w/ urns for hour long trips or so, rather than banking every 5 minutes, but it's up to you :)

 

Just realized i misread your point of "buying turm", so in that case, you could either continue with my previously mentioned method, or do as tieszen said and find a better moneymaker if you want primarily turm. Black demons over time would give larger summoning xp than prayer, so even if you do my method, you won't have as long to go for turm, plus you can use yak (whether it be frosts or whatever).

Edited February 19, 2011 by Nerdbomber

[mlskid]

Okay, so if i wanted to bank the ashes for personal use then what would be a setup for that? I like to be kinda tight with my money so i don't want to cannon unless i really have to... haha

[Th e Doctor]

You have to spend money to make money.

 

If you want the ashes for personal use you're better off at green dragons/blue dragons. Its never a good idea to DIY for any skill you can buy, you should just make money and buy it.

 

Cannoning black demons isn't going to be worth it for harvesting ashes unless you have a yak to bank them all.

 

Btw if you're doing dailies/mtk/herb farming ever 1.5 hours you shouldn't be worried about money as you should be making more than 2 mil a day passively from that depending on how many dailies you have unlock and what herb you're farming.

[Troll Bomber]

When I do slayer, I figure in about 10 cballs/demon on average to kill it (with melee). Also, with exts and maxed melee + rapier + piety + cannon, I can do a 200 demon task in about 35 mins leisurely. For argument's sake, given the fact you wont be using slayer helm (neitz?), and be banking, I would say you could have no problem killing + banking ~160 demons w/ ashes per hr.

 

My setup would consist of netiz, prosy plate + legs, d boots, ddef, rapier>whip> korasi, sw cape, and fury>glory, and duel ring for faster banking @ cwars, then fally tab/telly back and run to demons. (pipe or spike shortcut if you can).

 

I would experiment with ppot usage to figure out how many you need to bring for prot melee + piety. Just melee pray if you wanna save a bit of money.

 

Technically, even if you cannon 10 balls/demon, ashes value far more than that per demon, and thats not counting rune drops that you can alch too (would justify using piety imo since you're not losing much).

 

Other than that, I would just bring along a tort, pick up/reset each trip, and after a few trips figure out how to balance your pots so that you have a clear inv by the end of trip (40 ash/trip leaves you 6 inv spots.), so if you *manage a trip in 15 mins, then you could do about 160 demons/ashes an hour. So by my experience, that means about 80 crims an hour, and costs approx (10*160=1600*~275=440k in cballs),(4*5 ppots (4)=20*5300=106k in ppots). These numbers are just from my personal data, and may not reflect what works out for you.

 

* = 70+ agility

 

In summary, using this guide, you spend approx 550k an hr in ppots and cballs + misc. tellies, tort, ect. In return, you recieve 160*226 (if im correct) ~36k pray xp and hr, which boils down to 15.28gp/prayer xp, but you're getting tons of range/attack/hp/crimson charms also. This is NOT counting any extra money you decide to make by picking up certain drops, so the value would surely be below this by a certain degree.

 

My apologies if this overdid the answer you were looking for, but I've done a lot of black demons from slayer (one of my favorite tasks), so I set up the scenario as if I was going to do it myself. My apologies for anything that doesn't match up such as current prices, xp, ect. Did my best.

[Th e Doctor]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

[Troll Bomber]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

 

Gilded, yes. I believe it's 226 xp/ash but I wasn't 100% sure.

[Th e Doctor]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

 

Gilded, yes. I believe it's 226 xp/ash but I wasn't 100% sure.

 

The problem with that is he has no yak to bank them, so he may be able to kill that many in an hour but he has no way of banking said ashes without severely cutting into his kills/hr realistically he's looking at about 1/2 to 3/4s that number at best.

[Troll Bomber]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

 

Gilded, yes. I believe it's 226 xp/ash but I wasn't 100% sure.

 

The problem with that is he has no yak to bank them, so he may be able to kill that many in an hour but he has no way of banking said ashes without severely cutting into his kills/hr realistically he's looking at about 1/2 to 3/4s that number at best.

 

I based my numbers under the assumption that he can kill 1 black demon every 18 seconds with cannon + melee, and that a banking trip takes 3 minutes with cwars+fally telly. However, a lack of 70 agility or atleast 67 to pot would mess up the numbers a lot.

 

18 seconds/demon is obviously a lot more than necessary, so seeing as 48 mins per hr spent killing demons @ 18 sec/demon = 160 demons. given a more realistic time frame per demon (12s/demon for me), I can kill and bank 200 ashs/hr.

 

The only reason I used 18 seconds is because I've done black demons alot so I know a good setup a bit more such as cannon placement, ect. I'm not saying that OP is ignorant on black demon killing, but I don't think it would take him 18 seconds with cannon + melee, that was just a safety measurement in my calcs.

 

Hell, even if he can do 15s/demon, that still leaves him with more time to bank.

[Th e Doctor]

hmmm i sit corrected.

 

Edit

 

Of course from what he's posted it seems as though he's set on not "wasting" money on a cannon...

[Troll Bomber]

Yeah, then I wouldn't suggest using it. Definately not if you wouldn't use cannon.

[SirIzenhime]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

 

Gilded, yes. I believe it's 226 xp/ash but I wasn't 100% sure.

 

The problem with that is he has no yak to bank them, so he may be able to kill that many in an hour but he has no way of banking said ashes without severely cutting into his kills/hr realistically he's looking at about 1/2 to 3/4s that number at best.

 

I based my numbers under the assumption that he can kill 1 black demon every 18 seconds with cannon + melee, and that a banking trip takes 3 minutes with cwars+fally telly. However, a lack of 70 agility or atleast 67 to pot would mess up the numbers a lot.

 

18 seconds/demon is obviously a lot more than necessary, so seeing as 48 mins per hr spent killing demons @ 18 sec/demon = 160 demons. given a more realistic time frame per demon (12s/demon for me), I can kill and bank 200 ashs/hr.

 

The only reason I used 18 seconds is because I've done black demons alot so I know a good setup a bit more such as cannon placement, ect. I'm not saying that OP is ignorant on black demon killing, but I don't think it would take him 18 seconds with cannon + melee, that was just a safety measurement in my calcs.

 

Hell, even if he can do 15s/demon, that still leaves him with more time to bank.

 

Why would he bank at castle wars...then teleport to falador to get back? Wouldn't it be better to bank in falador then?

[Blake]

I'm cannoning black demons in taverly, ranging with Kxbow. If you set your cannon up by a pillar and safespot them, you'll kill 4-5 at a time, really fast. Not sure if it's faster than melee. Can't use void, cause of gloves and I don't have deflector. I'm using Hati gloves.

 

80 minutes got me something like 240k xp 110 crims no effigy () and net profit of 200k, selling ashes at 5650 instant sell

 

^ copy/paste from my blog. I killed 225 demons in 80 minutes, with range. Would be faster with void on, cant use it cause I'm using Hati

[Th e Doctor]

Is your figure for prayer exp from altering the ashes?

 

Gilded, yes. I believe it's 226 xp/ash but I wasn't 100% sure.

 

The problem with that is he has no yak to bank them, so he may be able to kill that many in an hour but he has no way of banking said ashes without severely cutting into his kills/hr realistically he's looking at about 1/2 to 3/4s that number at best.

 

I based my numbers under the assumption that he can kill 1 black demon every 18 seconds with cannon + melee, and that a banking trip takes 3 minutes with cwars+fally telly. However, a lack of 70 agility or atleast 67 to pot would mess up the numbers a lot.

 

18 seconds/demon is obviously a lot more than necessary, so seeing as 48 mins per hr spent killing demons @ 18 sec/demon = 160 demons. given a more realistic time frame per demon (12s/demon for me), I can kill and bank 200 ashs/hr.

 

The only reason I used 18 seconds is because I've done black demons alot so I know a good setup a bit more such as cannon placement, ect. I'm not saying that OP is ignorant on black demon killing, but I don't think it would take him 18 seconds with cannon + melee, that was just a safety measurement in my calcs.

 

Hell, even if he can do 15s/demon, that still leaves him with more time to bank.

 

Why would he bank at castle wars...then teleport to falador to get back? Wouldn't it be better to bank in falador then?

 

The man has a point.

[Blake]

I'm cannoning black demons in taverly, ranging with Kxbow. If you set your cannon up by a pillar and safespot them, you'll kill 4-5 at a time, really fast. Not sure if it's faster than melee. Can't use void, cause of gloves and I don't have deflector. I'm using Hati gloves.

 

80 minutes got me something like 240k xp 110 crims no effigy () and net profit of 200k, selling ashes at 5650 instant sell

 

^ copy/paste from my blog. I killed 225 demons in 80 minutes, with range. Would be faster with void on, cant use it cause I'm using Hati

 

To go with the banking thing, I used a lumbridge tab to restore prayer, then a fally tab to bank, going over the crumbled wall

[Th e Doctor]

House tele to recharge at alter and then portal to fally would save an inv space and a little $

 

Is OP even reading this anymore?

[Aiel]

I'm cannoning black demons in taverly, ranging with Kxbow. If you set your cannon up by a pillar and safespot them, you'll kill 4-5 at a time, really fast. Not sure if it's faster than melee. Can't use void, cause of gloves and I don't have deflector. I'm using Hati gloves.

 

80 minutes got me something like 240k xp 110 crims no effigy () and net profit of 200k, selling ashes at 5650 instant sell

 

^ copy/paste from my blog. I killed 225 demons in 80 minutes, with range. Would be faster with void on, cant use it cause I'm using Hati

that's a good deal slower then melee, and OP stated he wanted attack xp.

[Blake]

Ok, well I was just saying how fast I could do it with range and banking with a tort, so he can scale that up

[Troll Bomber]

It doesn't matter tbh, only reason I suggest that is so that you save an extra inventory space. It's personal preference.

[mlskid]

House tele to recharge at alter and then portal to fally would save an inv space and a little $

 

Is OP even reading this anymore?

He wasn't but now he is catching back up after having gotten home from work. =D

 

I will definitely start on this setup for collecting lots of ashes for pray. Hopefully in a few weeks I will be done. :shades:

 

EDIT: I think that I am going to combine most of the things suggested here to fit more of my style. I'm going to buy cballs, and farm ranaars, so that way I don't need to buy pray pots. Then for teleports, i will use rings of duelling, and from there house tele to charge pray, and use the teleport in my house to get back to falador. Thanks guys, anyway that we could possibly make this into a guide so other people can use it as a general way to get good pray fast?

 

Also, erm, should i bring my extremes along on my trips? or just let me cannon do the work for me?

[Th e Doctor]

Bring extremes, don't bank at c wars, you run past a bank when you're in fally. Saves minor cash on dueling rings plus the inv spot.

[mlskid]

So would this be a decent setup?

:thumbsup:

[Aiel]

you're going to be needing more prayer pots then that.

[Bladewing]

if he's banking all the ashes... probably only 1 or 2 more ppots.