Artisian Workshop

[Flareboy64]

I want to get 91 smithing for effigies, and was thinking of trying this since I hear it's good. What should I make, and how much would I need to spend to get this?

[Sy_Accursed]

Ceremonial swords own for xp.

The required IV ingots but the xp output owns. As long as you don't break too many.

Example being rune iv ingot takes the ores of 2.25 rune bars,

Which normally gives 281.25 xp for smelt and 450xp for smlet + smith with sc hammers.

Rune ceremonial sword gives 8,500xp for a perfect sword (roughly)

Which means as long as you're sword scores about 5%+ (which isn't hard to do at all, I tried it out and seemed to do mostly 85%+) the xp per ore and thus per gp is better.

 

All the other metals work similarly, though the proportions aren't quite the same , they get better as the metals get higher leveled.

eg iron iv ingot needs 75 ores.

Which is 2812.5 xp normal smelt smith 4687.5xp with sc hammers.

But perfect sword is only 3242xp, so iron ones actually suck.

 

But steel has a small margin for more xp than regular, mith has a decent margina, addy has a pretty good margin then rune (as covered) has an epic margin

[xpx]

Ceremonial swords own for xp.

The required IV ingots but the xp output owns. As long as you don't break too many.

Example being rune iv ingot takes the ores of 2.25 rune bars,

Which normally gives 281.25 xp for smelt and 450xp for smlet + smith with sc hammers.

Rune ceremonial sword gives 8,500xp for a perfect sword (roughly)

Which means as long as you're sword scores about 5%+ (which isn't hard to do at all, I tried it out and seemed to do mostly 85%+) the xp per ore and thus per gp is better.

 

All the other metals work similarly, though the proportions aren't quite the same , they get better as the metals get higher leveled.

eg iron iv ingot needs 75 ores.

Which is 2812.5 xp normal smelt smith 4687.5xp with sc hammers.

But perfect sword is only 3242xp, so iron ones actually suck.

 

But steel has a small margin for more xp than regular, mith has a decent margina, addy has a pretty good margin then rune (as covered) has an epic margin

I'm sorry to say, but this is all crap. The ceremonial swords are too slow and expensive to train with.(mithril swords, for example, are as expensive as adamant plates but slower xp)

 

You might aswell superheat+smelt for smithing, as it's be much more efficient unless you make 3m+ an hour, in which case make adamant plates.

 

Oh, and as i know you will disagree, rune IV requires 18 bars worth, not 2,25 bars. There go the calculations, too. Another thing you missed(or just don't know, as it seems) is that a perfect sword gives 120% xp, where as a single mistake takes that down to 98%, so there is a huge divine in making perfect and good swords.

[Sy_Accursed]

Oh seems my math was screwy on the rune ore amounts amounts; can't see where I got 2.25 from now.

The xp rates are better if you are any good at it though.

 

And I didn't miss the 120% xp thing a perfect rune sword is worth 8.5k BASE xp, the fact you get 120% adds to this. Least thats how it seems to work when I was there. I did a perfect rune for a bit over 10k xp (120%), kb lists perfect rune as 8,500 xp 12% of 8,500 is 10,200

[xpx]

Oh seems my math was screwy on the rune ore amounts amounts; can't see where I got 2.25 from now.

The xp rates are better if you are any good at it though.

 

And I didn't miss the 120% xp thing a perfect rune sword is worth 8.5k BASE xp, the fact you get 120% adds to this. Least thats how it seems to work when I was there. I did a perfect rune for a bit over 10k xp (120%), kb lists perfect rune as 8,500 xp 12% of 8,500 is 10,200

The xp in the kb is perfect(120%) xp. Just walk away is you are going to straight out lie to our faces and know nothing about what you are posting.

[Sy_Accursed]

Oh seems my math was screwy on the rune ore amounts amounts; can't see where I got 2.25 from now.

The xp rates are better if you are any good at it though.

 

And I didn't miss the 120% xp thing a perfect rune sword is worth 8.5k BASE xp, the fact you get 120% adds to this. Least thats how it seems to work when I was there. I did a perfect rune for a bit over 10k xp (120%), kb lists perfect rune as 8,500 xp 12% of 8,500 is 10,200

The xp in the kb is perfect(120%) xp. Just walk away is you are going to straight out lie to our faces and know nothing about what you are posting.

 

I'm not lying. I swear I got just over 10k on a perfect rune sword; unless I totally spaced out and missed somehow got an extra 2k on my total xp counter between swords It went up by just over 10k for a perfect rune sword.

[xpx]

Oh seems my math was screwy on the rune ore amounts amounts; can't see where I got 2.25 from now.

The xp rates are better if you are any good at it though.

 

And I didn't miss the 120% xp thing a perfect rune sword is worth 8.5k BASE xp, the fact you get 120% adds to this. Least thats how it seems to work when I was there. I did a perfect rune for a bit over 10k xp (120%), kb lists perfect rune as 8,500 xp 12% of 8,500 is 10,200

The xp in the kb is perfect(120%) xp. Just walk away is you are going to straight out lie to our faces and know nothing about what you are posting.

 

I'm not lying. I swear I got just over 10k on a perfect rune sword; unless I totally spaced out and missed somehow got an extra 2k on my total xp counter between swords It went up by just over 10k for a perfect rune sword.

There is a one time 15k bonus for making a perfect sword(of any type) and a one time 5k bonus for making a 90%+ sword(of any time), so yes, you can get over 10k xp for rune swords, but only twice.

 

Other than that, assuming you make 40 swords an hour(going for quality over quantity) for an average multiplier of 110%(so over 50% perfect) you'll get 315k smithing xp an hour for a cost of 32 gp per xp. That's compared to addy plates that are around 225k xp an hour and ~13 gp per xp, or gold ores that are around 120k xp an hour at a cost of 4 gp/xp.

 

The ceremonial swords aren't a good training method.

[Sy_Accursed]

No I did a bunch of iron to start and got thoose 2 bonuses

 

And it wasn't miles over 10k as they would make it.

I didn't record exact numbers, but it definitely went up by just over 10k (was like 218-- sort of digits then went to 32---)

 

Cost wise it may be worse, but as you yourself stated it is much better in terms of xp:hr; then when you apply the money you can make in time saved factor it becomes totally viable money wise.

Its like ecto vs gilded. gilded costs more per xp, but the time saved means you can more than make up for the extra money spent; same applies here.

As your numbers show roughly 110k extra xp:hr than addy for only about 20gp:xp extra. Therefore if (like many) you can fairly easily make 2.2m in an hour its better.

 

Even if you can't make 2.2m in tht hour its still better xp:hr rate, if not the msot efficient option all round for you.

[xpx]

No I did a bunch of iron to start and got thoose 2 bonuses

 

And it wasn't miles over 10k as they would make it.

I didn't record exact numbers, but it definitely went up by just over 10k (was like 218-- sort of digits then went to 32---)

 

Cost wise it may be worse, but as you yourself stated it is much better in terms of xp:hr; then when you apply the money you can make in time saved factor it becomes totally viable money wise.

Its like ecto vs gilded. gilded costs more per xp, but the time saved means you can more than make up for the extra money spent; same applies here.

As your numbers show roughly 110k extra xp:hr than addy for only about 20gp:xp extra. Therefore if (like many) you can fairly easily make 2.2m in an hour its better.

 

Even if you can't make 2.2m in tht hour its still better xp:hr rate, if not the msot efficient option all round for you.

I can't understand why you are so stupid. Teaching me calculus and efficiency is never a good idea.

 

For your knowledge, you'd need to be earning more than 17m an hour for rune ceremonial sword to be more efficient than adamant plates, and even pro nex hunters can't mate that much.

 

Oh, and is this going to turn into that usual flamewar again, where you are obviously wrong and still talk crap? sign me up.

[Sy_Accursed]

I worked it out from YOUR NUMBERS

 

"Other than that, assuming you make 40 swords an hour(going for quality over quantity) for an average multiplier of 110%(so over 50% perfect) you'll get 315k smithing xp an hour for a cost of 32 gp per xp. That's compared to addy plates that are around 225k xp an hour and ~13 gp per xp, or gold ores that are around 120k xp an hour at a cost of 4 gp/xp."

 

315k xp an hour vs 225k xp an hour = 110k more xp per hour.

32gp per xp vs 13 gp per xp = ~20gp xp extra.

 

20*110k = 2.2m extra cost per hour.

 

I need to make a minor correction here to making 4.4m an hour to compensate. I overlooked one step in working it out. But still viable.

 

So in 2 hours you'd of earned 220k xp extra, so roughly equivalent of a 3rd hour of addy plates.

So if then if that third hour you can make 4.4m+ it at least breaks even cost wise.

[xpx]

I worked it out from YOUR NUMBERS

 

"Other than that, assuming you make 40 swords an hour(going for quality over quantity) for an average multiplier of 110%(so over 50% perfect) you'll get 315k smithing xp an hour for a cost of 32 gp per xp. That's compared to addy plates that are around 225k xp an hour and ~13 gp per xp, or gold ores that are around 120k xp an hour at a cost of 4 gp/xp."

 

315k xp an hour vs 225k xp an hour = 110k more xp per hour.

32gp per xp vs 13 gp per xp = ~20gp xp extra.

 

20*110k = 2.2m

 

Therefore if you can earn 2.2m an hour you equal the slower xp method on cost, but have gained an extra 110k xp.

Your first grade math teacher would be crying right now, i'm sorry to say. You should really look up how efficiency is calculated not to embarrass yourself(and all your teachers, too) again.

 

Firstly, you take the faster method as reference(it's actually incorrect to not use reference time, but it makes it more clear), thus one method takes 1 hour for an amount of xp, the other takes 1,4 hours, and the difference is 0,4 hours. Next, you compare the cost per 315k xp, which comes at 10,08m and 4,1m respectively, so you'd have to make that price difference up in the time you'd save with the faster method, and in this particular case, comes out at nearly 15m gp/an hour. Maths.

[Sy_Accursed]

I worked it out from YOUR NUMBERS

 

"Other than that, assuming you make 40 swords an hour(going for quality over quantity) for an average multiplier of 110%(so over 50% perfect) you'll get 315k smithing xp an hour for a cost of 32 gp per xp. That's compared to addy plates that are around 225k xp an hour and ~13 gp per xp, or gold ores that are around 120k xp an hour at a cost of 4 gp/xp."

 

315k xp an hour vs 225k xp an hour = 110k more xp per hour.

32gp per xp vs 13 gp per xp = ~20gp xp extra.

 

20*110k = 2.2m

 

Therefore if you can earn 2.2m an hour you equal the slower xp method on cost, but have gained an extra 110k xp.

Your first grade math teacher would be crying right now, i'm sorry to say. You should really look up how efficiency is calculated not to embarrass yourself(and all your teachers, too) again.

 

Firstly, you take the faster method as reference(it's actually incorrect to not use reference time, but it makes it more clear), thus one method takes 1 hour for an amount of xp, the other takes 1,4 hours, and the difference is 0,4 hours. Next, you compare the cost per 315k xp, which comes at 10,08m and 4,1m respectively, so you'd have to make that price difference up in the time you'd save with the faster method, and in this particular case, comes out at nearly 15m gp/an hour. Maths.

 

That is a mathematically way of looking at it; but it doesn't mean it makes sense in the real world.

 

My way has a very obvious real world applied logic to it that cannot be denied.

2 hours of the 315k method makes 630k xp 2.8 hours worth of 225k method makes 630k xp

315k method costs 2.2m more an hour.

Therefore to, be very precise, a rate of 5.5m gp per hour in money making compensates, as in 0.8 hours u'd of made the 4.4m extra spent.

[xpx]

 

That is a mathematically way of looking at it; but it doesn't mean it makes sense in the real world.

 

My way has a very obvious real world applied logic to it that cannot be denied.

2 hours of the 315k method makes 3 hours worth of 225k method (roughly)

315k method costs 2.2m more an hour.

Therefore if you make 4.4mil in that 3rd hour you saved you haven't lost out.

The way you are proposing would work if i gave you gp per hour figures, but those are gp per xp figures. VERY different. You are digging yourself into a real deep hole here.

[Bladewing]

315k xp @ 32 gp/xp

 

vs

 

225k xp @ 13 gp/xp

 

 

using option 1 for 315k xp uses one hour and 10m gp. using option 2 for 315k xp uses 1.4 hours and 4.1m gp

 

so using option one saves 0.4 hours but costs an additional 5.9m. so it's worth doing if you make 14.75m gp an hour.

[Sy_Accursed]

Ah yeah I see the loophole in my math now, my bad. Was forgetting that gp:xp and gp:hr don't equate quite the same.

Don't think this is my week with maths with the random 2.25 thing and all this.

 

But any road the swords are still the best xp:hr in-game if you can afford em. Just not cost efficient.

[green9090]

Lmfao @ Sy.

 

Grats on divine Blade, just saw your sig!

[Flareboy64]

Haha, well, thanks for the help. I guess I'll just stick to gold ore. And yes, grats blade :D