A way to help stop autoers?

[Junkieman]

Right, this isnt another 'omg theres all these autoers it sucks blah blah posts'. I dont like them, and I dont care whether you do or not, this is just an idea to help prevent them returning. Please try not to focus on the issue of autoers themselves, but my suggestion as outlined folloowing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, IP bans. Now you're all probably like 'but families play the game!'. I think any account that has been found breaking rules for autoing should then be permanently banned forever once convicted certainly of autoing. I then suggest an IP ban on all account access from that address for a short period(1-3 days maybe). This will lead to them getting grief from the other legitimate players from your connection(such as a little brother maybe).

 

 

 

Along with this, I also think there should be a longer period IP ban for newer accounts on that connection, maybe 1month long. No new accounts may be created from that IP for one month, or any newly created accounts be able to access from that IP either(so they cant go out and create the account elsewhere then auto with it further). I also think the IP's accounts should be watched somehow for autoing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, I am well aware this is all gonna require alot of effort and resources, and so may not be entirely feasible. For the temp ban on other accounts from that address, membership time status gets frozen, or a proportion of it is lost. Then again, is 3 days of membership time a massive amount to lose?

[dwarfie76]

First off, IP bans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are completely useless... for the following reasons:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An IP address is not a valid means of identifying a person. While your point about banning a family if one person there is caught autoing is reasonable. It's not quite that simple. When you sign up for an ISP, it is highly unlikely that the ISP will assign you one IP address for the duration of your time with them. On most broadband connections you need to pay extra to have a static IP address. Usually the ISP will simply allocate you one of a pool of IP addresses for the duration of each connection. Power-cycling your router will usually acquire a new IP address. For dialup accounts it's even less likely. Again a floating pool of IP addresses is usually used and distributed among those currently dialled into a server meaning that every time you connect to the ISP, chances are that you are using a different IP address.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, changing ISPs is no longer a difficult or inconvenient task. Usually it's a simple matter of signing up for a new service and the new ISP will handle the disconnection and reconnection of your service for you. Many people constantly churn through ISPs becuase - since the market is pretty much at saturation - most of them have much the same pricing including discounts for new signups. People will sign up for one ISP to get the 6 months half price offer, then cancel and go with another ISP to get their 6 month half price offer. Each time you change ISPs you not only get a new IP, but it comes from a completely different address block.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So If person X was caught autoing and Jagex bans his IP address... and that person happens to use the same ISP as you - next time you reset your router, you may well find that it's you who is IP banned and not the autoer.

[Toxicologist]

And I do believe Router IPs change every few hours.

[Junkieman]

I didnt want to bring dynamic IPs into the picture, they'd really ruin my plans! I havent noticed mine change to often, but it might be possible that its changed and changed back when I've looked another time. As for routers, I've never noticed mine refreshing the connection.

 

 

 

As for them 6month offers, they're usually 12month minimum. What are th odds that someone that plays runescape will end up with an IP that has a 3 day ban from someone else who played runescape? Thanks for your comments though.

[Toxicologist]

My IP is Dynamic, so if I hacked or something JAGeX can't just ban my IP: I would be able to play again after a few hours or so, once my IP is changed again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I know lots of people have Dynamic IPs, so IP ban really won't work very well.

[Junkieman]

Yeah, mine is too, I think pretty much anyone who isnt on dial-up will have a dynamic IP.

[Evilkn1ght14]

im sorry to say this but autores will never be gone another person will think of a new way to auto and like people have said ips change alot

 

 

 

you switch services all the time got to library ect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its a good idea if it works but it wont sadly :(

[X-Arcade-X]

Ever heard of proxies? :P

[Junkieman]

Ever heard of proxies? :P

 

 

 

yeah, apparently its harder to do for runescape though because its java based. I was hoping it'd cut down on a large majority of the currently offended autoers, but not wipe them out completely.

[Loge_05]

You haven't mentioned any way to catch the autoers. Autoers are getting more and more clever and discreet, so Jagex can't pick them up as easily.

 

 

 

Prevention is better than cure. :lol:

[Junkieman]

very true, I dont have many ideas on catching autoers, because I'm not very sure on the detailed workings of them(i know how they work and all, im talking about individual scripts and such). I think maybe jagex should get some people to put some time into actually using some of the autoer programs out there, and learning a bit more about them so they know what to look for exactly. Take a look at the more popular ones and maybe work a detection into the game for them. It's going to require a fair bit of time and effort though on their part, much easier for them to just let the honest people suffer whilst banning a small proportion of autoers who can just come back with another autoing character.

[Loge_05]

maybe work a detection into the game for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one in place. How else do you think Jagex catch people? It looks for same mouse movements. Repeated cursor movements; moving in the same direction; constant speed.

[Junkieman]

 

maybe work a detection into the game for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one in place. How else do you think Jagex catch people? It looks for same mouse movements. Repeated cursor movements; moving in the same direction; constant speed.

 

 

 

yeah, but its a bit general at the moment, and some autoers can get around them by making things look random when they aren't. Still, because its all logical, there should still be some degree of difference between them and human behaviour on the game. It's hard to do, as some people might chance out with doing the same stuff again and again(like high alchers who put the item 'behind' the high alch spell). I do that, and I tend to click at the same time intervals because I base my click on the high alch animation.

[Bellatrix]

There are two main ways to deal with autoers:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Make autoing harder and more dangerous for both bot-char and the main account using it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Try to figure what advantages does autoing give, and hit them in that spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may have some ideas in both categories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I) Random events are meant to deal with autoers. What advance bots does to escape it, is to automaticly logout when the random starts.

 

 

 

the solution - make randoms silmilar to combats such that u cannot logout from it, until 10 secs after it ends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

II) Jugex can add an internal system option that will report automaticly about any character that keep "imprisoned" in a random (such as the mom maze, mime, evil bob, etc) too much time - that is unreasonable even to the most unexperienced player (and ofcourse, according to suggestion a, can't log out).

 

 

 

such character is to be immediatly suspected in autoing, so its stats, bank account and previous trades will be checked - so both the bots and the main will be endangered.

 

 

 

In other words: if an account is checked and found to be both:

 

 

 

- spending unreasonable time locked in a random.

 

 

 

- being a "pure" in his stats.

 

 

 

- "trades" again and again mass amount to another account without proper payment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then it is 100% a bot, and both him and his main must be banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- as for dealing with the advantage given by bottery --

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I know many people will be angry with that suggestion - but I think that a magor change must be done in the stock and trade system.

 

 

 

I will explain:

 

 

 

What the advantage that (for example) a fishing or wc bot gives its main? the answer is simple - a hugh mass-supply of fish, logs, ores, etc. That is whats give the main the ability to get rich by trading the products withount spending much time.

 

 

 

How can that be changed? I will suggest a "rotting" rule. means that no account will be allowed to keep in bank more then (let's say) 200 items such as fish of a certain kind,and no more then 500 logs, ores, etc. If he passes the amount, the fish and logs will rot, the bars infected with rust, etc. I know that some merchants will get hurt also, but most "normal" players wont.

 

 

 

What will happen? bottery will become harder and will grant less profit, for the main will have to contact the bot much more frequently. That will also help normal players that want to sell normal amounts.

[majinkamahl]

12 January 2006 - Nearly 5000 RS-classic accounts banned

 

 

 

As regular classic players will know the classic game was being seriously spoilt by players breaking rule 7. We won't let cheats spoil our games, so we are currently permanently banning nearly 5000 accounts which our system has flagged as using macro software in breach of our rules. RS-classic will be brought back online once that operation is complete.

 

 

 

We recommend all players make sure they are aware of our rules, which are there to keep the game enjoyable for our millions of players. We simply won't let a small minority spoil the game for everyone else. If you don't know the rules already then please make sure you Read them here!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you know our focus these days is on the main RuneScape game which is far more advanced than RS-classic. The main reason we are keeping RS-classic online at all is to support some of our loyal players who have been with us for years and want to play the old version of the game they are used to. We've therefore decided the best way to stop the cheats just creating new accounts to cause trouble in RS-classic all over again, whilst still supporting the loyal players who have been playing RS-classic fairly for years, is to close RS-classic to new accounts. As such only accounts which have played RS-classic at least once in the last 6 months (since it went members only on August 3rd 2005) will be able to do so from now on. This allows the currently active players of RS-classic to continue playing, whilst keeping out the cheats trying to spoil it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The latest and greatest version of RuneScape - which 99% of our players use - of course remains open to everyone (except rule breakers). It has much better anti-cheat technology and we will also be taking a strong stance against rule-breakers in the current version of the game, but without the need to restrict account signups

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As on the homepage.

[shade_bandyt]

i think straight bannings are very effective. i suspect many people create newb accounts to auto with because they think they can get away with it. for example, say an auto woodcutter makes a route from draynor bank to the willows and back. after running for about 4 hours and stocked up about 2k-3k logs, the account is banned. the main that owns the account just lost what he though would have been easy profits. if everytime he makes a new account and puts a macro on it, he gets banned and realizes its not working, it will deter him from making accounts with macros.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think the best random event for dealing with autoers is the insect swarm. you cannot detect it until it is attacking you, so you cant log out and you cant fight back. and it will kill you as long as you dont run away. maybe we need to see more swarm-type randoms in the game in areas where autoers are likely to be found (mining guild, draynor, catherby, etc)

[Junkieman]

Mass ban yes, but it appears to be mainly 5000 classic players banned. They also stated they feel they dont need to put restrictions on accounts, I'm thinking maybe they DO(use an email, one account per email etc).

 

 

 

Bellatrix, I too think jagex also need to review their monitoring techniques, at the moment their report feature only sends a previous 60seconds snapshot of activity, maybe this should be extended or the account should be put on special watch depending on what rule it is reported under.

 

 

 

As for the anti-logout featre, sounds good to me(can you logout already anyway? i know you can't tele apparently). And also the stats lookup(was thinking about this myself the other day), there should be no sensble reason for a player to be a skill pure in anything other than mining(if anyone can dispute this, feel free to with sensible reasoning). I'm not too sure about whether the extended timer is a good idea, may cause problems. Should require some enough further validation to rule out any chance of innocence. The 'rotting' idea could cause alot of problems, but there should maybe be limits in the game linked with skill levels or such. I saw a guy the other day who had like 60k of raw lobs he had bought for the cooking xp, not fair of them to rot because he's not be able to cook them all in a day. They are also a bit rubbish about linking autoing accounts to 'main' accounts(might be a shared computer household where more than one person plays).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

p.s I also think they removed the MOM maze event, the rewards were too good and people figured out how to get it easily.

[Bellatrix]

No they did not removed the maze. I had it yesterday.

[caughtjoo]

Sell the game on a disk and force ppl to use it to play the game.

 

 

 

Give everyone one free month of members for buying the game.

 

 

 

Use the code on the cd to ban the person. (works on Halo online)

[Bubsa]

5000 players my big fat hairy arse.

[Zerocool11]

JAGeX is too scared to take any drastic action in order to prevent macroers from exploiting the game. This fear of doing anything that might upset the masses is what allows this rule breaking to continue. Mass bannings have happened before many times in RS history and every time autoers find a way to rebound and make their programs even better than before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a good old catch-22.

[Junkieman]

JAGeX is too scared to take any drastic action in order to prevent macroers from exploiting the game. This fear of doing anything that might upset the masses is what allows this rule breaking to continue. Mass bannings have happened before many times in RS history and every time autoers find a way to rebound and make their programs even better than before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a good old catch-22.

 

 

 

Indeed. Although, it might not be a case of upsetting the masses, more upsetting the profits. Alot of the autoers these days are members who auto. I like the cd code idea. Problem is as zero said, some solutions will eventually be broken again. But at least for now they can do some stuff.

 

 

 

Also something which bugs me, is when people on these forums are selling stuff like 1k sharks, but when i check them they dont even have the fishing level for it :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(if old man maze is still in, they obviously fixed the way people were getting it).

[ste_boz]

A possible solution?

 

 

 

Make bank pins compulsary and instead of only having to be entered once per login make it once every 10 or 20 minutes. I suppose this will only work until someone comes up with a macro to enter the pin but im sure Jagex could make this harder by using different styles of font for the numerals or some other method so that they are hard for a macro program to recognise.

[nvw08]

Right, this isnt another 'omg theres all these autoers it sucks blah blah posts'. I dont like them, and I dont care whether you do or not, this is just an idea to help prevent them returning. Please try not to focus on the issue of autoers themselves, but my suggestion as outlined folloowing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off, IP bans. Now you're all probably like 'but families play the game!'. I think any account that has been found breaking rules for autoing should then be permanently banned forever once convicted certainly of autoing. I then suggest an IP ban on all account access from that address for a short period(1-3 days maybe). This will lead to them getting grief from the other legitimate players from your connection(such as a little brother maybe).

 

 

 

Along with this, I also think there should be a longer period IP ban for newer accounts on that connection, maybe 1month long. No new accounts may be created from that IP for one month, or any newly created accounts be able to access from that IP either(so they cant go out and create the account elsewhere then auto with it further). I also think the IP's accounts should be watched somehow for autoing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, I am well aware this is all gonna require alot of effort and resources, and so may not be entirely feasible. For the temp ban on other accounts from that address, membership time status gets frozen, or a proportion of it is lost. Then again, is 3 days of membership time a massive amount to lose?

 

 

 

Heck no, if my bro is autiong and I dont know about it why should i be punished :? (course my bro dosent play rs but you get my point) :wink:

[Junkieman]

wow, someone revived my thread(i stopped rs and visitng these forums a few days after my last post in here). I noticed that a little while after the rsc mass ban, there was also an rs2 massban(i think?), i still been checking the news from time to time. Anyway, I'm guessing/hoping that autoers are alot less common now because of it, but like i said, i havent been on rs so I cant comment.

 

 

 

In reply to the above poster, for the exact reason that you DONT want to punished. If you did get punished, who would you blame most? Whats gonna be a better deterent from autoing, a ban by jagex, or your family hating you for screwing up their playing account? Besides, the impact upon already playing accounts is not major, and doesnt cost anything to the account, just restricts access for a few days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(i also realised, upon reading again, it was a bit of an 'omg theres all these autoers it sucks blah blah' posts)