blade995 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I would defently stay clear of Foxcon. I have had DOA(dead on arival) on one of their motherboards. Then got the replacement and did not work correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think im just going to go to the Sony website and customize one of their PC's. That way I know i'll be getting something with good quality. Or I'll go to alienware.com and customize one of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahoo Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 do not use alienware or sony unless you want to waste your money on something you can get tonnes cheaper elsewhere, seriously, avoid both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 -.- I have a serious problem then 1) I dont know how to build a computer 2) I picked out the parts that I wanted but I was told they were not compatable with each other 3) I dont want a AMD processor and everytime someone suggests a computer they suggest a AMD processor 4) If I bought all these parts I dont know how to actually put them together so I would be kinda screwed. 5) Alienware is bad you say 6) Sony is bad you say wtf should I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahoo Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Ok, I want to know the amount it will take to persuade you into: 1. Buying an AMD processor and 2. Building your own PC. 1.The AMD processors are much better than intel ones unless you plan to compile movies. If you want, just take a look at processor benchmarks around the internet, you won't find many that show Intel being better than AMD at something. 2. Building your own PC, you can learn tonnes of new things about PC's you never knew before, you can be more confident about opening one up, and you can take your time building it. If you are only 16-17 that leaves you plenty of time to plan what you need to build it, don't worry, getting it wrong is better than getting it right, as long as you come to us with what you might be getting wrong first, then we can help you. However, if you do really want an intel, then you might as well get that laptop. What difference will it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Its beyond me why your shunning amd for intel, but if you want it that way, take a look at this. Gigabyte GA-8I945P-PRO ATX Intel Motherboard - $125.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128293 Intel Pentium D 920 2.8 GHz 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core Processor - $268.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116237 CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory - $73.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145526 Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $85.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144415 eVGA Geforce 7800GT 256-P2-N516 Video Card - $299.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256 Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-450 450W Power Supply - $66.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103936 BenQ FP71G+ (Black) Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - $208.95 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014100 ASPIRE X-Dreamer II ATXB4KLW-BK Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window - $54.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144026 Logitech Black Wired Value Keyboard - $7.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823126170 Logitech Value Black Mouse - $6.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104181 Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker - $49.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16836121118 Total - $1243.92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Wahoo, yes you are correct that I will learn alot by building my own (and I already have learned some just by picking the items I wanted) but I dont wanna spend 1300 bucks on the stuff and then get it and either mess it up or put it together and it not work and me have wasted 1300 bucks Stuart, the monitor you suggested looks really cheap. I really dont need 160GB of space is there any way that I can get a cheaper hard drive (one with like 50-70GB of space) and use the extra money from the cheaper drive to get a better monitor? (sorry if im pissing you off) Everything else on that computer looks fine with me except the CORSAIR memory sticks, ive never heard of that company but as long as you say they arnt some cheap knock-off brand then thats ok. I personally like Radeon video cards over Geforce but again I can look past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade995 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Everything else on that computer looks fine with me except the CORSAIR memory sticks, ive never heard of that company but as long as you say they arnt some cheap knock-off brand then thats ok. I personally like Radeon video cards over Geforce but again I can look past that. How have you never heard of CORSAIR? Thier considered one of the best makers of ram. Trust me thier not some cheap knock off :wink: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 As blade995 said, Corsair arent some cheap knock off brand, they are one of the top RAM suppliers and all their products are top notch. POWERCOLOR Radeon X1600XT 256MB Video Card - $179.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131317 If you prefer an ATi card, that would probably be fine for you. Nearly half the price of the 7800gtx i listed earlier. So if you want an ATi card, look into that one. Western Digital Caviar SE 80GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - $55.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822135106 That would do fine if your wanting a smaller hard drive, but with the money saved off the graphics card, you could still afford a 160gb one. Its better to have too much space than not enough methinks. NEC Display Solutions LCD1770GX-BK Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - $349.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002284 Thats the monitor you listed earlier, so im assuming you think its alright so you should consider getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Is that video card still compatable with everything else? And what is your opinion on ATI's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I would defently stay clear of Foxcon. I have had DOA(dead on arival) on one of their motherboards. Then got the replacement and did not work correctly. There is nothing wrong with Foxconn, they make good quality parts. All motherboard brands have a odd dud board (Tried and fine a board with 5 out 5 stars on Newegg, quite difficult*). They were OEM for apple for a long time. There is a general theme of distrust towards them but that is due to the fact that they are a fairly recent arrival into the retail market. At this time i would rank foxconn before ASUS for a rig which is not going to be overclocked. If it was going to be overclocked then I would suggest Epox or DFI. * I do not take much notice of user reviews, such things are often biased, and written by idiots who do not know what they are doing, who ordered the wrong part in the 1st place, or they are complaining about the retailers service or the postage service.... POWERCOLOR Radeon X1600XT 256MB Video Card - $179.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814131317 That card is barely faster then the 6600GT.... Another card which is simalar and also made by ATI and could be worth considering is the x800GTO... preformance is simalar (probably slightly slower), but can be brought for a bit cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102602 Although in that price range, ATI is not really the best option considering you can get a 6800GS for less then $200. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... ategory=48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 And the thing you have to realize on user reviews is, for every bad review posted another 30 people are enjoying it and didn't feel the need to review :P I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 POWERCOLOR Radeon X1600XT 256MB Video Card - $179.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814131317 That card is barely faster then the 6600GT.... Another card which is simalar and also made by ATI and could be worth considering is the x800GTO... preformance is simalar (probably slightly slower), but can be brought for a bit cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102602 Although in that price range, ATI is not really the best option considering you can get a 6800GS for less then $200. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... ategory=48 Id have to disagree with you there, all the 256MB 6600GT's on newegg are clocked slower than the x1600. The only one close to the x1600 is the Leadtek 6600GT. The only thing it beats the x1600 is in the memory interface which is 256mb while the x1600 is only 128mb. The x1600 beats it in core and memory clock, its running more pixel pipelines, the 6600GT is only openGL 1.5 whilst the x1600 is openGL 2.0. Not only that, but the leadtek 6600GT is $100 more expensive than the x1600. So unless ive misunderstood something here, at first glance, the x1600 beats out all of the 256mb 6600GT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 POWERCOLOR Radeon X1600XT 256MB Video Card - $179.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814131317 That card is barely faster then the 6600GT.... Another card which is simalar and also made by ATI and could be worth considering is the x800GTO... preformance is simalar (probably slightly slower), but can be brought for a bit cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102602 Although in that price range, ATI is not really the best option considering you can get a 6800GS for less then $200. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... ategory=48 Id have to disagree with you there, all the 256MB 6600GT's on newegg are clocked slower than the x1600. The only one close to the x1600 is the Leadtek 6600GT. The only thing it beats the x1600 is in the memory interface which is 256mb while the x1600 is only 128mb. The x1600 beats it in core and memory clock, its running more pixel pipelines, the 6600GT is only openGL 1.5 whilst the x1600 is openGL 2.0. Not only that, but the leadtek 6600GT is $100 more expensive than the x1600. So unless ive misunderstood something here, at first glance, the x1600 beats out all of the 256mb 6600GT's. I do not really look at specs, just benchmarks. Just to make sure we are discussing the same cards, I am comparing the 6600GT with the X1600XT. (The 6600gt does not benefit much from having 256mb of memory, so I ignore them) The 6600gt prices are around $120 The X1600XT are price around $170 I must admit I could not find many benchmarks of the 1600xt... but this here http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/308/1/ shows that they both preform similarly. With a slight edge to the x1600xt.... "Although performance is reasonably good for a mid-range card, this performance level was introduced by NVIDIA two years ago. This is the newest X1000 Mid-range product yet it has an awfully hard time keeping up with a two year old GeForce 6600 GT. Both win and lose to each other here and there. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Stuart do you have a messager of some kind where I may contact you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Yeah, i do, ill pm you it cause i dont want every one to me able to see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Ok guys here are the final specs for the computer (I think) Gigabyte GA-8I945P-PRO ATX Intel Motherboard - $125.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128293 Intel Pentium D 920 2.8 GHz 800MHz FSB LGA 775 Dual Core Processor - $268.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116237 CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory - $73.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820145526 Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - $85.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822144415 POWERCOLOR Radeon X1600XT 256MB Video Card - $179.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814131317 Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-450 450W Power Supply - $66.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817103936 NEC Display Solutions LCD1770GX-BK Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor - $349.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824002284 ASPIRE X-Dreamer II ATXB4KLW-BK Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window - $54.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6811144026 Logitech Black Wired Value Keyboard - $7.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6823126170 Logitech Value Black Mouse - $6.00 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6826104181 Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker - $49.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6836121118 Total - 1264.96 I will have to buy Windows XP also because i'm not sure if any of my friends have the actual cd version so thats another 99.99 dollars Total - 1364.95 I will also have to buy a wireless router because I do not have a phone jack in my room. I will have to buy the router and 2 wireless things to get this computer and my new computer on wireless and there is a wireless router at my local wal-mart that is like 80 dollars that comes with 1 wireless thing so i will have to buy another so i figure about 110 bucks for the whole wireless thing. Total - 1474.95 I will probally have to pay for shipping on all this (unless I get it for free sence i'm buying so much) I figure about another 79.99 bucks in shipping. (I got this number from adding the 3 day shipping cost from all of the items) Total - 1554.94 So that would be my total price for EVERYTHING that I will be getting. That does not include tax because i'm not sure what the tax prices will be so I just wont include that. If someone things there is a problem with the parts of the computer please speak up. If someone also has a comment on anything ive posted in this post then please speak up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 At newegg.com you can add all those items to your cart and calculate shipping based on zip code and you don't have to signin or anything :) I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade995 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker - $49.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6836121118 These are good speakers. Be warned that the cords for the rear speakers are fairly short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker - $49.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6836121118 These are good speakers. Be warned that the cords for the rear speakers are fairly short. You can buy replacement cords that are longer right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 With regards to your build, everything looks fine. Although, as I already pointed out I do not consider that video card very good value for money. I would personally spend the $10-20 extra and get a 6800GS, which currently easily out preforms the x1600xt card. This one here is currently good value. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130265 A alternative motherboards worth considering is the ASUS 945P P5LD2 (775). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131538 If money is tight, there is the store http://www.zipzoomfly.com , They are often cheaper then Newegg, and they often include the cost of purchase in the price. They seem to have good ratings according to these two sites, Newegg seems slightly better... http://www.bizrate.com/ratings_guide/cu ... rd--1.html http://www.resellerratings.com/seller_i ... er_id=1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This may be an alright alternative if you still want to get an ATi card. The x1600xt is out of stock while the x800gto is in stock, so if you dont want to wait for the x1600xt to come in, the x800gto might be worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This may be an alright alternative if you still want to get an ATi card. The x1600xt is out of stock while the x800gto is in stock, so if you dont want to wait for the x1600xt to come in, the x800gto might be worth considering. Aren't the x800's a generation behind x1600s? I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Militaris Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This may be an alright alternative if you still want to get an ATi card. The x1600xt is out of stock while the x800gto is in stock, so if you dont want to wait for the x1600xt to come in, the x800gto might be worth considering. Aren't the x800's a generation behind x1600s? x800's are a older series. Both cards were released in the last few months, without checking the x1600xt is newer then the x800gto. The x800gto is based on older 'high end' technology. In general the x800gto is a better preforming card, the x1600xt has a few more toys ( HDR, SM3). The x800gto is often cheaper. For a few dollars more a "SAPPHIRE Radeon X800GTO2" can have the extra pipes unlocked... turning it into a excellent card.(possible to reach speeds simalar to a X850 XT PE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest r3dh3adkid Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 I'm sorry its taken me a while to reply on this topic once again i've had some bad things to happen in my life and ive had to deal with them. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814161146 That is the video card you suggest correct Stuart. It looks like a nice video card and for only 16 bucks more I can upgrade 128-bit memory interface to a 256. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102645 Militaris would that be a good "SAPPHIRE Radeon X800GTO2" card that you recommended? The core clock on the POWERCOLOR is 600 and the HIS one is at 500 but this SAPPHIRE one is only 400. The memory clock on the POWERCOLOR is 1400, HIS is at 1000, and SAPPHIRE doesnt give the memory clock. Whats a pro to getting this SAPPHIRE over the POWERCOLOR or the HIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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