DG

[Aten]

Ugh, felt I had to get this off my back… anyways I’m a member of DGS and I don’t have a problem at all with people who have different approaches to dg, nor am I trying to say that I’m a good dger by any stretch of the imagination (because I’m not at all), but something that has particularly pissed me off especially since the 2x weekend is that there a ton of people coming into our CC who are merely leeches.

 

Of course, it was bound to happen, and I don’t think it is the fault of the staff/admins of the clan. In my eyes, it is the responsibility of a dungeoneer to contribute meaningfully to the overall progress of the team. Even if you aren’t that great, like me, at the very least I do try to get better and I try to do as much as I can for the team.

 

The problem of leeching became particularly obvious last weekend, where as a joke I even did a few experiments in CC to try to prove my point that way too many people are starting to use various dg clans’ chats to merely get some easy xp. I noticed the cc had been quiet for a few minutes, despite a very large number of people being present. I advertised “fl+5” (lol) and within 2 seconds this imaginary +5 floor had six people asking to join, so I pointed out that I didn’t quite understand why these six people were just waiting around for somebody to host for them when there was clearly enough interest to start a party.

 

Okay, so you don’t know how to key, that’s fine. I’ll host the floor then. Maybe I don’t understand my clan’s philosophy and policies well enough, but I was always under the impression that people using our cc and joining our floors had to agree to the clan’s rules and guidelines. One of them is that people need to follow the keyer’s instructions. I am not trying to put myself on a high pedestal here, but seriously…

 

All weekend I tolerated people that never talked throughout the entire dungeon, refused to gate doors, people who would just sit and loot every last piece of food in a dungeon for themselves, and people who often would sit at base for minutes on end because they refused to help in a room that they felt was “too dangerous” (such as boss, monolith, ramokee, even some guardian doors).

 

As far as I’m aware, our CC is welcoming to guests who want to improve their dging and learn how to become more effective in their teams. I don’t have any problem with people who don’t know what they are doing, but the sheer number of people this weekend who absolutely and adamantly refused to listen to any advice I humbly offered them was utterly unbelievable. If you don't want to follow the mentality of the clan chat you are in, then stop being disrespectful and misusing it. World 117, 77, and 67 have plenty of people filling floors for dgers of any philosophy.

 

There were 100+ dungeoneers who didn’t even know how to solve basic puzzles (lodes, hunter ferret, skaters, summ puzzle, even people who didn't know to attack skinweaver first in ramo), let alone know the advanced techniques. I try to teach them nicely, and all I get in reply is a sarcastic or troll answer. There were 100+ dungeoneers who sat in base for the entire duration of a boss fight while holding 20+ pieces of food. There were 100+ dungeoneers who already had a plate bind and still decided to use ores that had been mined for ragers to make yet more armour for themselves.

 

Once again, I don’t inherently have a problem with people who aren’t that good or who don’t know how to do a certain thing. However, there are 5 people on a team. If everybody is pulling their weight, why shouldn’t they? Even if they can’t, why don’t they at least try? I’m not going to be mad if it’s obvious you’re trying to get better, but repeatedly doing the same idiotic thing over and over and then giving me attitude about it when I am taking the time to host and key a floor for you is not really a good approach.

 

I get that it’s 2x weekend and everybody wants to survive, but honestly I averaged just over 1 death keying the entire 3 days while dging exactly like I normally do and not paying any attention to intentional survival. Sure, I lose 10%, but people don’t seem to understand the concept that you actually need to attack a boss for it to die.

 

Literally, there were no more than 6 or 7 people in DGS CC hosting floors. I think I speak for weirdoweirdo (cactuar) here in this rant as well; we did a few floors together alternating keying and he expressed to me that he wasn't pleased at all with the amount of survivalist leeches that were flooding the chat. There were at least 3 times as many asking for floors constantly. Fine, you want to be selfish, that’s fine, but don’t make me look the bad guy for telling you to stop leeching (just because you walk out of base doesn’t mean you aren’t a leech) after I repeatedly give these people multiple chances and continue to host floors.

 

Anyways, that’s it for this rant. I know basically 90% of people guesting in dung clan CCs this weekend were just trying to get xp/tokens/chaotics, but I guarantee the same people will continue to dg with the same attitude forever. If any of you fall under this category of leeches, the next time you ask to join one of my floors, at least act like a proper leech, pay me 4m for the floor, leave ggs/keys/food alone, and just sit in ht until I tell you to move. Stop pretending that you are actually doing anything useful for the team, because you aren't.

 

 

 

Tl;dr If you want to leech in my floors, I’m charging 4m/fl. Please sit at base and do not loot any table food. Please also watch chat and teleport for emotes/levers/end when I ask for it. Stop running around being an idiot and acting like you are actually contributing anything useful to the team if you aren't willing to help out, improve or pay money.

[Obtaurian]

This weekend was really terrible overall. Not only do I agree with what you said, but it also seemed like people who are normally good at dungeoneering were in MUST SURVIVE AT ALL COSTS MODE. One of main tenets of DGS is efficiency, and I saw a lot of inefficient survival and floors that were way too long considering the caliber of the teams.

 

Then to echo what you said, we literally had twenty or thirty new applications and I'd wager that maybe two or three of them will be staying in DGS. I had one guy who literally didn't buy a toolkit until the very end of the floor, and only when I saw that he was waiting by a skill door that he couldn't attempt himself.

 

I mean, we normally get maybe two new people a week, which is an alright number that allows us to really put in the time to help them get better, but this weekend was just disappointing. I'm glad everything is back to normal now, and I'm even more glad that the clan chat seems to be more active than ever after the weekend.

[Aten]

This weekend was really terrible overall. Not only do I agree with what you said, but it also seemed like people who are normally good at dungeoneering were in MUST SURVIVE AT ALL COSTS MODE. One of main tenets of DGS is efficiency, and I saw a lot of inefficient survival and floors that were way too long considering the caliber of the teams.

 

Then to echo what you said, we literally had twenty or thirty new applications and I'd wager that maybe two or three of them will be staying in DGS. I had one guy who literally didn't buy a toolkit until the very end of the floor, and only when I saw that he was waiting by a skill door that he couldn't attempt himself.

 

I mean, we normally get maybe two new people a week, which is an alright number that allows us to really put in the time to help them get better, but this weekend was just disappointing. I'm glad everything is back to normal now, and I'm even more glad that the clan chat seems to be more active than ever after the weekend.

 

I feel it was a problem even before, but the weekend just augmented the severity of the issue. I was pretty tolerant previously but after having to deal with it for the 3 days I just had to rant =F

[JeRambo]

Guilty as charged. :(

 

Sorry if I was an idiot in some of our dungeons.

[Blutters]

I hate to be a contrarian, but I DGed exclusively on 77 during the weekend with my friend keying every floor, and we never encountered the "stereotypical" example of said world.

It's just so strange to hear that such sad examples would flock to your clan chat, which although heralded as a paradigm of Dungeoneering excellence, should be lesser known than a hub world like 77.

Maybe the worst came out of the woodwork, I dunno.

 

I'm sorry it happened this way for you guys, I just think it's ridiculous how many people dish on "the other guys" when, in my personal experience, even those ill-equipped randoms on those worlds perform at least satisfactorily (which I think I'm qualified enough to judge :P).

[Obtaurian]

My big problem with it was that people were doing things that are just totally unacceptable in terms of efficiency. Floors were literally 5-10 minutes longer so that two people could save a death each. That's not good for your exo/h. :( Interesting to hear that w77 teams were fine.

[Saradomin_Mage]

The abovementioned guys can't even get floors on W77, so guess where they look next?

 

 

Can't even begin to tell you how many PMs I get from people asking if they can join, why are you a closed clan etc, and it's obvious that they just looked us up on the highscores and think we're going to be their chaotic cow.

[Leaf]

First of all, don't you need to register on the forum just to be a GUEST in DGS?

 

I didn't dg for most of the weekend, but I didn't really see that many 117-types in DGS in the floors that I did.

 

 

But really it's Dungeoneering itself that is dead, and I don't like Leech floors since they only increase the number of people that have no idea how to DG while having high levels.

 

I tried dging after the Weekend, and that was just :blink:

W67 had like 8 people standing there (no one hosting), W77 and 117 were full of s/l floors as usual, but not a single person was hosting a Warped floor.

Most of the s/l keyers were below 138 cb.

[Aten]

First of all, don't you need to register on the forum just to be a GUEST in DGS?

 

I didn't dg for most of the weekend, but I didn't really see that many 117-types in DGS in the floors that I did.

 

 

But really it's Dungeoneering itself that is dead, and I don't like Leech floors since they only increase the number of people that have no idea how to DG while having high levels.

 

I tried dging after the Weekend, and that was just :blink:

W67 had like 8 people standing there (no one hosting), W77 and 117 were full of s/l floors as usual, but not a single person was hosting a Warped floor.

Most of the s/l keyers were below 138 cb.

 

There were probably quite a few guests that didn't even apply. Even the ones that did, well, you have access to the applications page so you can see for yourself just how much effort was put into some of the apps. It's clear that to them, the application process is just some annoying formality that they have to duck under before they can start leeching.

[Obtaurian]

It was really funny how many people claimed to have read the guidelines but had weird binds (primal longsword lol) and extremely low ring tiers. Usually low ring tiers are alright, it just means they can't get a recruit rank in the chat until they raise them, but usually the applicant will note that their rings are short and that they're working on them.

[The_Fray]

I refrained from applying for DGS during the weekend because I didn't find it right that I was joining a clan right around the time of the bonus and not being very active after. Now I find out there were leeches who were already ruining things for you guys. I do not know how to key but I consider myself a decent DGer. If only I knew I could be a guest, I would have joined the cc.