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If you want to be semantic then I am still technically correct, as Britain gave the technology to America, and paid for the research with grants and whatnot that funded the technology(With the exception of the Jet Engine*)

 

Robert Watson Watt was in a Government sponsored program to built a deathray, using radiowaves (That could kill a sheep at a thousand yards), which he proved was impossible, but that he could detect a sheep using radio waves at 1,000 yards. Thus birthing radar.

Alan Turing and the team at Bletchley Park, which developed the first Digital Computers were on the payroll of the British Government, and the computers were Her Majesty's.

Convoy System was devised by British Merchant Men and Escort Commanders, all on the payroll of the British Government.

 

The Jet Engine was created by a British Individual in 1928. It was then ignored by the British Government for nearly two decades, and taken by the Germans when the patant expired. So on this point I agree with you.

*The Jet Engine was developed by private investors in Britain, and was eventually brought by the British Government.

 

You can, of course, argue, that all countries were giving out grants (This is, infact, a lie. As shown by Britian and the Jet Engine, you didn't get money the moment you presented a paper of a concept...Even if it was airtight and technically brilliant...as Whittle's paper was), and it was only the 'people born in Britian' who developed the technology....and that if they had been born in any other country they would have developed the technology there, instead.

 

You could further argue that without people like John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie(Born in Scotland), Henry Ford and Cornelius Vanderbilt, who were 'Born in America' America would not have been capable of achieving the Industro-Military Complex that was vital to their part in the war.

 

Then, you could also argue that the USSR's contribution was actually purely Stalin. As no one else would have done a crash course of industrialisation.

 

 

If you went even further you could then argue that without the people working on the production lines in America, those 'Born in America' people, that America would not be able to acheive its part of WW2.

 

And so on and so forth until you get right down to 2,000 generations ago, when Og the German bonked Ug the Brition.

 

 

 

Saying Britian is merely the easiest way of conveying the fact that Britian, as a concept...with all the educational systems, class systems, transport, weather, culture, genetics, ect ect, generated the people who went on to produce the technology, which they then gave/sold to Britian, which Britian then gave/sold to America and, to a lesser extend, Russia, in exchange for their part in the war.

 

 

 

Although, perhaps drive is the wrong word...I just didn't want to say aspect, because Russia provided sloped armour, and America provided the Sherman Tank...Both technically brilliant inventions.

The British, comparitively were hopeless at Tanks, despite pioneering their usage in WW1.

 

However, the British did provide manpower and equipment...Russia provided technology and equipment and American provided technology and manpower, in addition to their 'major' contributions as mentioned earlier.

But, because all of this is terribly long winded, and rather unneccessary, I decided to use the word 'Drive' because Britain did spur, and has spurred on the development of new technologies in the past.

It is not exactly a coincidence that from 17th century onwards Britian has nominally been at the cutting edge of scientific discovery...From gravity, microscopes, the steam engine, railways and bridges, to penicillin, the tank, the jet engine, the computer and radar.

Yes, there has been other countries who have invented others things, and we have recently lost the edge we had...But the fact remains the Britain spurred the development of technology.

America was playing with cars and refrigerators(British invention, William Cullen) while Britain was cracking the secrets of radar...and when America was just scratching the surface of metric radar(first generation radar), the British, with their Cavity Magnetron, were moving rapidly past centimetric radar(third generation).

Such was the industrial neccessity of the United States, that the British gave the Magnetron to the American, which effectively jumped the American development of radar by 5 years, perhaps 10.

 

If you actually look at the technology of the Second World War in any real detail you will discover that Britain gave away an astonishingly vast amount of technical secrets, mainly because Britain needed America to fight the Russians, should the Russian win against the Facists. Added to that the British naively believed that they could make up the technological ground lost afterwards, and that America would share their technological secrets with them.

Of course, then America decided that it was 'unconditional surrender' and pilfered German secrets, who had pilfered French and Russian Secrets, which effectively gave America access to all of the technological brilliance of Europe over the past 5 years, while still retaining their economic supremancy...Best of all, for America, they didn't have to give away any of their money...the powers they had taken/been given the technology were, in actuality, in debt to them.

Further America didn't share any of their stolen technology with their allies, reserving Nuclear Weapons, Stealth Technology, Jet Engine Research, and a hoard of medical research data taken from the camps, for themselves and their own companies.

It was an impressive coup for America...

 

I could probably keep up this...essay? All night, I have several ideas for the next paragraph already. But I am somewhat doubtful of it being read.

 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately.

Britain played its part, and is deserving of recognition, just as Russia and America are deserving of recognition.

There is no way to objectively measure the degree of recognition one country requires over another....They are all interelated, and should be treated as such... We can either accept that, and have our glorious notion of our mother country knocked a little, and find respect for our old allies...or we can dig in our heels and demand that our country deserves absolute and total recognition for winning the war, and find that we treat our allies with contempt.

But yeah, British person would say that.

[Vixion]

/has no intention of reading it.

 

 

Anyway, Change of topic is desperately needed. Gosh.... :I You all need to chill and accept people's ideas kay? Back to the drawing thing.

 

I'm practicing right now if anybody wants anything.

[Jehosaphat]

Anyway, Change of topic is desperately needed. Gosh.... :I You all need to chill and accept people's ideas kay? Back to the drawing thing.

 

I'm practicing right now if anybody wants anything.

Monkey on a unicycle. Trying to draw one of those is always a good way of gauging how well you can draw. :P

 

And I've been fiddling about with landscape pictures in GIMP. I'm actually pretty damn good at making random clouds, for some reason.

 

Might upload a few later for those who like it with masochistic tendencies. I still haven't gotten over the fact that I think my art sucks.

[Vixion]

Anyway, Change of topic is desperately needed. Gosh.... :I You all need to chill and accept people's ideas kay? Back to the drawing thing.

 

I'm practicing right now if anybody wants anything.

Monkey on a unicycle. Trying to draw one of those is always a good way of gauging how well you can draw. :P

 

And I've been fiddling about with landscape pictures in GIMP. I'm actually pretty damn good at making random clouds, for some reason.

 

Might upload a few later for those who like it with masochistic tendencies. I still haven't gotten over the fact that I think my art sucks.

 

 

That feeling will never go away. Trust me. You will always feel that your art is terrible... I know amazing artists who are like "MY ART IS TERRIBLE BAWW BAWW"

 

And t' hell with that man. I'm tired.

[Jehosaphat]

Anyway, Change of topic is desperately needed. Gosh.... :I You all need to chill and accept people's ideas kay? Back to the drawing thing.

 

I'm practicing right now if anybody wants anything.

Monkey on a unicycle. Trying to draw one of those is always a good way of gauging how well you can draw. :P

 

And I've been fiddling about with landscape pictures in GIMP. I'm actually pretty damn good at making random clouds, for some reason.

 

Might upload a few later for those who like it with masochistic tendencies. I still haven't gotten over the fact that I think my art sucks.

 

 

That feeling will never go away. Trust me. You will always feel that your art is terrible... I know amazing artists who are like "MY ART IS TERRIBLE BAWW BAWW"

 

And t' hell with that man. I'm tired.

Funny how it's always the really damn good artists who think their stuff sucks, while the people who come up with a 700x700 in MS Paint and 15 minutes think their art is the best thing on the Earth since Leonardo deVinci.

 

Except me. I'm the guy who's outclassed by the morons with crappy MS Paint drawings. I AM THE ULTIMATE DEFINITION OF ARTISTIC SUCK, HEAR ME ROAR. _{Not really, but healthy level of humility and stuff...}

[Earth]

I read that entire thing, Archi. Was good reading!...

Also, Stork, you at least get off your ass to draw. I have a tablet that's been gathering dust in the house somewhere. I have never used it.

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^ Not even gonna read that. I'm just going to assume you're right.

 

You can deliver your first born son any time over the next week...Except Wednesday.

[The_Mather1]

Norway contributed with guns made in Kongsberg.

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If Norway hadn't been on the allied side...No, wait, they were on the Axis side.

If Norway hadn't been involved in the war, then the war would have ended sooner. Probably.

 

Less British Casualities too, what with the Narvik Campaign.

[The_Mather1]

The war wouldn't have ended sooner, we supplied you with guns until Vidkun Quisling gave us over to the Nazis, once they had started their oppression they shut down the production in Kongsberg.

 

And we took care of several of the German ships, such as Blücher (which still lies on the bottom of the Oslofjord right outside Oscarsborg).

 

EDIT: Never put a paperbag lined with aluminum foil in the microwave, it sounds like someone lying on the powerlines and spontaneously catches fire.

[Icuownage]

Anyone getting the new Deus Ex? I know I will try to!

 

 

Hidden video because of the name

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Quite simply put, this looks amazingly fun.

[Resistance]

Its not that I don't feel America shouldn't be able to take credit for there actions in ww2, they did a very good job against the Japanese. However there effort against Germany was minimal and the statement that Vixion on made is ridiculous.

 

I suppose its typical of the Norwegians to side with the Nazi's.

[The_Mather1]

We didn't side with them, we had one Nazi sympathizer, Vidkun Quisling, who took the title of prime minister by coup d'etat as he invited the Germans in, forcing the royal family to flee. Sufficient to say, he was executed and his name is now internationally synonymous with traitor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

[The_Mather1]

His name was used for traitors and Nazi sympathizing organizations in British news during WWII. And not all words are commonly known, so even though you haven't heard of it, it still is a synonym for traitor.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/quisling

[Resistance]

Germans nowadays agree that Hitler was a bad person, your argument that his name is now synonymous with traitor is invalid.

[Icuownage]

Errr, you're saying because he betrayed people for an evil man he can no longer be called a traitor :S?

 

The argument is still valid.

[Resistance]

Icu,

 

Germans nowadays agree that Hitler was a bad person, your argument that his name is now synonymous with traitor is invalid.

 

This means that because people of the future think that he was a traitor it doesn't mean that Norwegians of the past didn't support him. You can't just assume that because the people of Germany nowadays say that Hitler was a terrible person it doesn't mean that Germans of the past (even the ones aware of the mass murder of jews) thought he was a terrible person, it appears that a vast majority didn't.

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The war wouldn't have ended sooner, we supplied you with guns until Vidkun Quisling gave us over to the Nazis, once they had started their oppression they shut down the production in Kongsberg.

 

And we took care of several of the German ships, such as Blücher (which still lies on the bottom of the Oslofjord right outside Oscarsborg).

 

 

A testement to the power of the Norwegians...One man is capable of ruling an entire country, with no assistance...No army, no beaucracy, no civil servants...Controlling three and three quarter million(guestimate for the win) other Norwegians.

 

Truely GODS AMONG MEN.

 

 

<_<

Back in the real world, Norway's traitory was not one person, but rather a group of people...probably a large group of people, agreed with Quisling...or, at the very least, did not feel inclined to do anything about it (See argument on the not being a pill popper, Mather's Statement that it is the Government's responsibility to do everything, for support.)

 

 

You could also argue that France was entirely innocent of its contribution to the length WW2...And Germany too...Now that I think about it, only Hitler was responsible...Someone should call the Nuremburg Trials and tell them that the other war criminals were innocent.

 

PS.

Knew about Quisling :thumbsup:

[Icuownage]

Well controlling the media kind of sways the public opinion really...

 

 

Also Norway didn't have much of a choice to support him either.

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*glances towards Arch*.

*Suddenly becomes very interested in not looking at Rocco*

 

 

I think it will be down to Ico, though he might very well run his own game, as planned.

[Resistance]

Also Norway didn't have much of a choice to support him either.

 

Scapegoating at its finest.

 

The Norwegian people did nothing while the evil-dictator who scraped his power by a coup; betraying the country at its weakest ruled the country on a throne of tyranny and the blood of jews. The pure-blooded golden-haired Norwegian people led a powerful resistance movement against the Baron of Evil. Despite capturing the monster they decided to give him a fair Norwegian trial: he was executed.

[Icuownage]

You know Norway got invaded right? I mean when you have the worlds most advanced (I have read in many places Germany was the most advanced) country, who also has a gigantic army that is ready to kill many of your citzens, I would think that the best option would be to surrender and just side with the people who were about to wreck your country.

[Jehosaphat]

How the hell did we get on the topic of WW2, anyways?

[Icuownage]

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Discusssion started about America being the best, and then someone said something about America not doing crap in the war.

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You know Norway got invaded right? I mean when you have the worlds most advanced (I have read in many places Germany was the most advanced) country, who also has a gigantic army that is ready to kill many of your citzens, I would think that the best option would be to surrender and just side with the people who were about to wreck your country.

 

...Its a good thing you were not prime minster of Great Britain...