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2012 U.S. Elections - President Obama Re-elected

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  1. 1. Which Candidate Will You Vote For?

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Partisanship isn't smart either. Not all Republicans are reactionary idiots: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/walter-olson/maryland-gay-marriage_b_2094675.html

 

On this whole fiscal cliff problem:

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.ca/2012/11/how-to-raise-tax-revenue-from-rich.html?m=1


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That cartoon is the first image that comes up in a search for "obamacare cartoon" on Google. Congratulations on adding to the discussion.

 

Discussion? I thought this thread had become just a circle jerk for BHO.

 

A remarkable number of states are not going to participate in the Medicaid expansion or are leaning towards not participating.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/medicaid-expansion_n_2103384.html?ref=topbar

 

But at least a half-dozen governors say they simply won't go along with the law. When the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare in June, justices ruled states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion. The decision threatens to leave 3 million of the poorest Americans without health coverage, the Congressional Budget Office predicts.

 

Thats right... the same Supreme Court ruling that refused to overturn Obamacare also allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.

 

Is it any wonder Obamacare is being called the mother of all unfunded mandates...?

 

http://tncampaignforliberty.org/wordpress/2012/10/tn-state-senators-vow-to-fight-obamacare-medicaid-expansion/

 

The United States Supreme Court ruled in June that Congress can deny the expansion funds but not all Medicaid funds. Now states have an option whether or not to expand their Medicaid programs.

 

Under the Act, Congress promised to pay 100% of the Medicaid expansion funds in the first few years but only 90% of the funds in future years. Given the $16 trillion debt owed by the federal government, it is doubtful that the federal government will fulfill even its 90% promise in future years.

 

"Tennessee taxpayers simply cannot afford the long-term financial burden of expanding our Medicaid rolls, said Durham. "This is one of those times in which legislators must exercise fiscal responsibility and tell the federal government, Thanks, but no thanks."

 

A similar sentiment was stated in July by Senator Lamar Alexander: "If I were governor of Tennessee, I would not expand Medicaid as the program is currently run." Former Democratic Governor Phil Bredesen described ObamaCare as "the mother of all unfunded mandates" and said it would cost Tennessee taxpayers over $1 billion in the next five years.

 

Not all Democrats are from that godawful Northeastern lineage. There are still a few Blue Dogs around.

 

I am thankful I live in one of those Red States that actually voted for fiscal responsibility this past week.


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The fact that you posted a clearly partisan political cartoon instead of a well-formulated argument just to troll the thread was my point.

 

States should be able to opt out of anything. You won't hear any argument against that from me.


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That cartoon is the first image that comes up in a search for "obamacare cartoon" on Google. Congratulations on adding to the discussion.

 

Discussion? I thought this thread had become just a circle jerk for BHO.

 

A remarkable number of states are not going to participate in the Medicaid expansion or are leaning towards not participating.

 

http://www.huffingto...html?ref=topbar

 

But at least a half-dozen governors say they simply won't go along with the law. When the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare in June, justices ruled states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion. The decision threatens to leave 3 million of the poorest Americans without health coverage, the Congressional Budget Office predicts.

 

That's right... the same Supreme Court ruling that refused to overturn Obamacare also allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion.

 

Is it any wonder Obamacare is being called the "mother of all unfunded mandates"...?

 

http://tncampaignfor...caid-expansion/

 

The United States Supreme Court ruled in June that Congress can deny the expansion funds but not all Medicaid funds. Now states have an option whether or not to expand their Medicaid programs.

 

Under the Act, Congress promised to pay 100% of the Medicaid expansion funds in the first few years but only 90% of the funds in future years. Given the $16 trillion debt owed by the federal government, it is doubtful that the federal government will fulfill even its 90% promise in future years.

 

"Tennessee taxpayers simply cannot afford the long-term financial burden of expanding our Medicaid rolls," said Durham. "This is one of those times in which legislators must exercise fiscal responsibility and tell the federal government, 'Thanks, but no thanks.'"

 

A similar sentiment was stated in July by Senator Lamar Alexander: "If I were governor of Tennessee, I would not expand Medicaid as the program is currently run." Former Democratic Governor Phil Bredesen described ObamaCare as "the mother of all unfunded mandates" and said it would cost Tennessee taxpayers over $1 billion in the next five years.

 

Not all Democrats are from that godawful Northeastern lineage. There are still a few Blue Dogs around.

 

I am thankful I live in one of those Red States that actually voted for fiscal responsibility this past week.

 

I've met Lamar Alexander before since I am from Tennessee.

 

I'm just looking forward to the 2016 elections now.


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Not all areas of the UK have the same access to NHS treatment either. The system isn't funded by local authority, but budgets are organised locally. I'm reasonably sure every country with a health service allows for local variations. You're not arguing against anything new here when you say the Supreme Court judged that states can opt out.

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I guess there are 20 states that have petitions to secede from the US. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't got as much media attention (I could only find a legit article on BBC News) as I would think it should, even though it's still a very minor minority of citizens that have signed the petitions but still.


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Probably because it's barely a news story. Texas is the biggest petition right now; it has just over 25,000 signatures in an overwhelmingly Republican state where nine million votes were cast during the 2008 Presidential election. So... 0.27%, or about one in four hundred, of a very favourable electorate bothered to sign just how much they hate Obama?

 

Interestingly, they're citing airport checks as the abuse of Americans' rights rather than any specific issue that Romney was campaigning on.

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These things happen after every election.


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I know this stuff happens, but I've never seen it get this kind of attention before.


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If I were American I'd probably sign one of those just for fun. I'm curious as to when/if they'll get a response. On another note, looks like the Democrats will end up with 201 house seats, for a net gain of eight. Probably the best they'll do this decade with all the gerrymandering in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

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Redistricting kept a lot of congressional Republicans in office this election. Michelle Bachmann being one of them.


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On that topic:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/11/congressional-representation-0?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/callvotersuppression

I'm unsure I understand the part about reform not being desirable, and I don't see why Democrats would not decide to gerrymander to their advantage in 2020.


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Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude?

Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you?

Camera guy: still laughing

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Camera guy: runs away still laughing

Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down

Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]!

Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL!

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2020 is a presidential election year, hopefully Democrats can take back a bunch of state legislatures and gerrymander in their favor.

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I know. The article's point towards the end is that if there's going to be fair representation, the Democrats need to win a bunch and threaten to gerrymander if an independent redistricting committee isn't appointed. My point was that the Democrats would probably just gerrymander in their own favour, which wouldn't really fix the problem.


Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can

Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude?

Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you?

Camera guy: still laughing

Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy

Camera guy: runs away still laughing

Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down

Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]!

Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL!

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