Return to work - Barrows theory (not) confirmed.

indalecio · February 23, 2006

Let me just get straight down to the point.

We all remember the person who got a 10k kill count and still got

virtually nothing.* However, that this person only killed Bloodworms, right?

Well, my recent study suggests that different monsters contribute different

types of runes to your reward.

(*In this post I will refer to this experiment as study X.")

I was doing a routine barrows run the other day, when my computer started

to lag, forcing me to refresh my world. In my absence, my char. apparently

killed 5-6 skeletons, because I was in a room full of them, and my kill count was

a little bit higher than when I had left. Now when I went to open that chest,

what should I find but 85 death runes? This was the first time I had gotten

anything other than chaos and minds in about 20 runs, so it was pretty nice.

Well, I thought about this for a while. Following "study X" I had only been

killing the brothers, with no luck. But after the incident explained above,

I wasn't so sure. I decided to try and re-create this experiment.

After killing the first 5 brothers in my next run, I descended into the tunnel

to take care of the last one. However, before I did, I went and killed 8 skeletons,

bringing my kill count for that run to 14 after I killed the 6th brother.

14! Fourteen! Absolutely nothing compared to the 10k achieved in "study X".

But when I opened the chest, I found almost 100 death runes! Maybe it was

just a coincidence. I needed to know. In the next 25 runs, I added between

6-10 skeletons to my kill count. Only an extra 2-3 minutes of work on my part,

but at the end of 23 out of those 25 runs I was rewarded with some amount of

death runes in addition to the usual minds and chaos.

This study suggests that maybe it is not how many of something you kill, but

what exactly you are killing in the first place. In "study X", the researcher

(an extremely dedicated one I might add) had a kill count of 10k, BUT

99% of that was from Bloodworms. This is where he/she went wrong.

If he/she had killed 10k Giant Spiders or Skeletons, I'm not saying he/she would

have gotten 80k Death or Blood runes or something like that, but he/she almost

certainly would have gotten some, and I can guarantee his/her reward would

have been better than what it was. Here is where this post descends into

guess-work. I am guessing that each monster adds a specific type of rune

to the reward chest in a random quantity. I have made a table illustrating this.

---------

Barrows Runes

---------

Minds - = - = - Crypt Rats - Crypt Spiders - Brothers

Chaos - = - = - Bloodworms - Brothers

Deaths - = - = - Skeletons

Bloods - = - = - Giant Crypt Rats - Giant Crypt Spiders

Now, like I said, this is based on the fact that when I was doing runs with

only killing the brothers, I didn't get a single blood or death rune. Now there

may be some rare exceptions, but for the most part this chart should hold true.

If you are trying to get a specific type of rune, I would concentrate on killing

those monsters specifically.

Please keep in mind, this study is, as of yet, incomplete. We Tip.it'ers have

only just begun to dig into the mountain of secrets and tricks that the Barrows

may hold, but I personally am doing my best to reveal these secrets.

If somebody would like to conduct this same study on a different monster,

that would save me alot of time. Just kill 5-6 of the specific type of monster

for the next 25 barrows runs you do, and record your rewards. The more

people we have working on this, the faster we can confirm its truth.

I will be re-doing this same study, but with Giant Crypt Rats instead of skeletons.

Help me out here! Any thoughts?

(Kudos to anyone who actually read all that.)

indalecio · February 23, 2006

That was the re-posting of my ogiringal post. Somebody please remove my

original thread. I thought there were too many off-the-point posts on that one,

and plus it was inactive for like 3 weeks. Anyway, I will make a blank post after

this one to house all my numbers and statistics ... once I have some numbers

and statistics.

Leesters · February 23, 2006

Um.... you kinda shouldn't just make a duplicate post just because you didn't like the comments on the first one... lol.

5 to 1 odds, THIS is the one thats gonna get locked, because all of the good comments are on that one. Like mine. lol

I really don't feel like going over ALL THAT INFO I POSTED AGAIN. lol.

But, as a dedicated Barrows Educator, if they lock the old one, I'll go over all the kill count truths... one more time. lol.

indalecio · February 23, 2006

A precursor of things to come ...

As it stands;

---------------------

Runs and Rewards

---------------------

Run Killed* Deaths

---------------------

1 6 41

2 8 50

3 5 45

4 12 45

5 4 30

6 5 0 - - Half Key

*This is always skeletons. This number does not include the Brothers.

Leesters · February 23, 2006

A precursor of things to come ...

As it stands;

---------------------

Runs and Rewards

---------------------

Run Killed* Deaths

---------------------

1 6 41

2 8 50

3 5 45

4 12 45

5 4 30

*This is always skeletons. This number does not include the Brothers.

If you do this without killing any of the brothers, then you will see what the monsters actually drop, right? Give it a try, and enjoy the new perspective.

indalecio · February 23, 2006

If you do this without killing any of the brothers, then you will see what the monsters actually drop, right? Give it a try, and enjoy the new perspective.

When I said that doesn't include the brothers, I mean that number was

my kill count, minus 6 kills. (For the brothers.)

And I've tried killing things alone, without the brothers. Didn't feel it was worth

the time, considering the pitiful rewards. Even if my theory turns out to be

totally wrong, at least it wouldn't be a complete waste.

Leesters · February 23, 2006

Hehe. Yeah, I know what you meant, and i don't blame you.

Would have been cool, because I've NEVER seen any long term data on anyone JUST killing the monsters. It would be first time stuff. Was looking forward to seeing what you got.

It surely would help support ANY theory, though. Come on, just a couple tries? You can just go back up the ladder again? You should do it!

*gets Tip It Barrows Community to chant your name repeatedly*

But I honestly don't blame you if you don't. :P

EDIT!

I just noticed something. You are getting sets of deaths that SHOULD be blood numbers! You are only getting 30-50 deaths?? Goodness, thats big news! You should be getting sets of 80ish deaths, and sets of 40ish bloods.

Unless you are actually tracking blood runes and your post has deaths as a misprint?

RAHK · February 23, 2006

I would appreciate if you would read the post that I made in your other thread and correct what you said about my 10k KC and 9,999 KC tests, please. I don't mind if you call it test X or whatever lol but please include my name and the other information that I gave you. I am also conducting research along these lines myself but would like to complete it before I post any information. If we have any crazy math whizzes that would like to crunch a ton of numbers feel free to message me here so I can give you that info when I am ready to post. Preferably those taking some kind of college math course.

Also I would reccomend that you do static numbers as opposed to a random amount each run. Good luck and have fun. 8)

n64jive · February 23, 2006

yeah, i did a kill count of 250, and i mostly killed just thre respawns of when you opened the doors, received minds, chaos and deaths plus coins

Don_Tino_Ome · February 23, 2006

im srry m8, but your theory isnt working for me, because i get ~40 bloods every 3 runs, and i only kill bloodworms, so it doesnt matter...

The_Valor · February 23, 2006

This old post again?

How about instead of RE-POSTING the same information that none of us barrowers were truely happy with and THEN stating that data would be added later, why not:

Realise that people like myself, Leesters and other barrowers will not want to read something that HAS NO EVIDENCE.

Go and do 1k trips, each set of trips with ser perameters (only kill bloodwormds, then skellies and so on)

Then we can see the pattern.

May i remind you of Leesters 'new' theory that the KC does matter if you go over (20 or 30 KC, cant remember) to help the % of barrow drops. He did not come here say it, THEN try it out, he did tons of trips to really refine the statistics.

Take a leaf outa his book svpl.

The Valor

bornl337 · February 23, 2006

well i see it this way

i've gotten 8,000 kill count before and not only blood worms

about 2k skeletons, 2k bloodsworms, 2k spiders, 2k rats roughly

i'd switch from room to room every 10 to 20 mins, they are very aggressive during that time then when they stop attacking i would go to a different room

my theory is

killing about 5 blood worms would raise your chances at getting bloods by 20% or so and bolt racks by 5% and maxes at those percentages

while 5 skeletons would raise your chances at bloods by 15% and bolt racks by 25% and deaths by 10%

or something like that, when i got the reward for 8,000 kill count, i received 121 bloods and about 3k coins

no bolt racks, minds, deaths, or anything else

so the more you kill of a certain monster doesnt necessarily mean the more you get

i've gotten 120+ bloods from a chest with only 13 kills before so getting any higher would be a waste of time, but good afk training for about 20 mins :wink:

there should already be a percentage for the runes and stuff

minds about 75% without killing any monsters

chaos 60%

deaths 40%

bloods 1%

bolt racks 1%

but all percentages would stop at some where around 75% seeing that i didnt get any minds, chaos, or deaths from the 8,000 kill count

i have no idea about half keys or dragon mediums

stuff like that, but i could be completely wrong

its just a theory but sounds right according to my research

and yes i know what i am doing, i do barrows quite often, i've been on over 4,000 barrows trips and received 184 recorded barrows items

my ratio of items to runs is about 1 to 25 runs for an item but thats a different story

Soma2035 · February 24, 2006

Trial 001 - 6 Skeletons

903 Mind Runes

153 Death Runes

39 Blood Runes

660 Coins

Trial 002 - 6 Skeletons

310 Mind Runes

42 Blood Runes

71 Bolt Racks

1148 Coins

Trial 003 - 6 Skeletons

588 Mind Runes

117 Chaos Runes

155 Death Runes

1210 Coins

Trial 004 - 6 Skeletons

291 Mind Runes

77 Death Runes

75 Blood Runes

1092 Coins

Trial 005 - 6 Skeletons

74 Death Rune

42 Blood Rune

76 Bolt Rack

976 Coins

Trial 006 - 6 Skeletons

310 Mind Runes

252 Chaos Runes

116 Bolt Racks

374 Coins

Trial 007 - 6 Skeletons

305 Mind Runes

79 Blood Runes

2040 Coins

Trial 008 - 6 Skeletons

276 Mind Runes

250 Chaos Runes

73 Death Runes

43 Blood Runes

37 Bolt Racks

534 Coins

======

8 trips, killing 6 skeletons each trip. I was trying to help you, but i got bored :(

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