So Called "Prayer Noobs?"

[RAHK]

If I am fighting to win I will use every (legal) trick in the book. Somebody's opinion of me based on their preconcieved views has no slot in my bank as opposed to the spoils of victory. I will GLADLY do everything within my power to win because that is the whole point in fighting. Pot, Pray, Protection Pray, Entangle, ANYTHING that gives me an edge I will gladly use. If you don't want people using certain things against you there is a perfect place: duel arena. Jagex has made a game where your every combat whine has been answered in some fashion; so if you don't like what can happen where you are, go to where that can't happen.

 

"Prayer Noob" in the wildy is just another device for the pker to maximize their profits. The easier you are to kill, the better their chances of getting your stuff. Guess what? I like my stuff and will gladly use every advantage I have to keep it... and get your's.

 

 

 

The ONLY two exceptions (personally):

 

 

 

DM's - I wouldn't trust anyone in-game with a bronze dagger why would I meet them in the wildy? It is absolutely idiotic when there is a duel arena that doesn't allow CHEATING!!! BUT if you agree to not use prayer then you are truly lame if you go back on your word.

 

 

 

Speed - If (for some strange reason) you and your opponent are trying to kill each other in the fastest possible manner then you should agree on no prayer (see DM's above). This does NOT apply to CW unless you made some sort of agreement with your opponent (keep your melee pro off and I will too, etc.), this does NOT apply to fight pits since there is only one winner and the prize has actual value, this does NOT apply to duel arena (again, unless you both decide on no prayers beforehand).

 

 

 

Basically, I think that if you say something you should stick to it (in-game or life). Other than that all is fair in love and war. [/end rant]

 

 

 

Praying doesnt give you an advantage at all, the other player will use it as well, making the result of the fight still the same and just take 5 minutes longer, and have no possibility of a ko for either side..

 

Gee isnt this fun? no, id rather watch paint dry.

 

 

 

Sorry but prayer gives a huge advantage in the wildy. The reason is there are a TON of "pures" out there that can out-class others of their combat lvl because they have no prayer. They are the ones who started "prayer noob" so that some people would be embarrassed/brow-beat into making themselves' easier targets.

 

 

 

Like I said: if you have a problem with people's tactics go someplace that you can do something about it.

 

 

 

With all of that being said, praying 1v1 in the wildy is a CHOICE that you can more than compensate for with your own prayer. If it takes longer and there is no kill guess what: thats life. How can you think that it is reasonable to force somebody to choose to be weaker than they can be while fighting? Only idiots comply.

 

Remember though I agree 110% that if you both agree to no prayer and one uses it they are definately a lame noob. Other than agreed upon terms there is no justification for whining about people fighting to the best of their ability no matter how hard it makes your kills. :roll:

[123Yourgone]

If I am fighting to win I will use every (legal) trick in the book. Somebody's opinion of me based on their preconcieved views has no slot in my bank as opposed to the spoils of victory. I will GLADLY do everything within my power to win because that is the whole point in fighting. Pot, Pray, Protection Pray, Entangle, ANYTHING that gives me an edge I will gladly use. If you don't want people using certain things against you there is a perfect place: duel arena. Jagex has made a game where your every combat whine has been answered in some fashion; so if you don't like what can happen where you are, go to where that can't happen.

 

"Prayer Noob" in the wildy is just another device for the pker to maximize their profits. The easier you are to kill, the better their chances of getting your stuff. Guess what? I like my stuff and will gladly use every advantage I have to keep it... and get your's.

 

 

 

The ONLY two exceptions (personally):

 

 

 

DM's - I wouldn't trust anyone in-game with a bronze dagger why would I meet them in the wildy? It is absolutely idiotic when there is a duel arena that doesn't allow CHEATING!!! BUT if you agree to not use prayer then you are truly lame if you go back on your word.

 

 

 

Speed - If (for some strange reason) you and your opponent are trying to kill each other in the fastest possible manner then you should agree on no prayer (see DM's above). This does NOT apply to CW unless you made some sort of agreement with your opponent (keep your melee pro off and I will too, etc.), this does NOT apply to fight pits since there is only one winner and the prize has actual value, this does NOT apply to duel arena (again, unless you both decide on no prayers beforehand).

 

 

 

Basically, I think that if you say something you should stick to it (in-game or life). Other than that all is fair in love and war. [/end rant]

 

 

 

Praying doesnt give you an advantage at all, the other player will use it as well, making the result of the fight still the same and just take 5 minutes longer, and have no possibility of a ko for either side..

 

Gee isnt this fun? no, id rather watch paint dry.

 

 

 

Sorry but prayer gives a huge advantage in the wildy. The reason is there are a TON of "pures" out there that can out-class others of their combat lvl because they have no prayer. They are the ones who started "prayer noob" so that some people would be embarrassed/brow-beat into making themselves' easier targets.

 

 

 

Like I said: if you have a problem with people's tactics go someplace that you can do something about it.

 

 

 

With all of that being said, praying 1v1 in the wildy is a CHOICE that you can more than compensate for with your own prayer. If it takes longer and there is no kill guess what: thats life. How can you think that it is reasonable to force somebody to choose to be weaker than they can be while fighting? Only idiots comply.

 

Remember though I agree 110% that if you both agree to no prayer and one uses it they are definately a lame noob. Other than agreed upon terms there is no justification for whining about people fighting to the best of their ability no matter how hard it makes your kills. :roll:

 

They are not fighting to their true ability!!!

 

Ill explain it again, he puts on prayer, I in return put on prayer, now his ability is HALVED.

 

Using prayer 1v1 is stunting your own capacity to win, i agree if its a pure with 34 prayer, might as well pray and ko the idiot, but when its 2 people with prayer over 43 using it is severly limiting both players ability without any gain, its stupid and pointless.

[Rebdragon]

I HATE PRAY NOOBS! why you may ask? cause they do it when its 10 on 1... and i mean 10 on 1, ME!... i was being attacked by 10 lvl 80 somethings then bam when i fight back, without pray i may add, they pray against me! ME! im the one being teamed! are you people blind?!?!?

 

 

 

P A T H E T I C!

 

Amen. But without the caps.

[RAHK]

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They are not fighting to their true ability!!!

 

Ill explain it again, he puts on prayer, I in return put on prayer, now his ability is HALVED.

 

Using prayer 1v1 is stunting your own capacity to win, i agree if its a pure with 34 prayer, might as well pray and ko the idiot, but when its 2 people with prayer over 43 using it is severly limiting both players ability without any gain, its stupid and pointless.

 

1v1 PKERS (not just people in the wildy but actual pkers) would never use prayer if that were the case. Why would they pray more than once if it makes it impossible to get a kill? They wouldn't. Since they still do they are obviously getting SOMETHING out of it otherwise they would stop.

 

 

 

I agree that 1v1 pkers shouldn't use prayer if they BOTH want a fast fight. Other than a fast fight there is no point in whining about "prayer noobs".

 

 

 

All of this falls under what I said before: agreed upon rules. When you instigate/recieve a fight you both have the choice to go by the "honor code" :lol: of the wildy and not pray. It is hardly noobish to better your chances of keeping your own gear by not following this "code" and praying but to each their own.

 

 

 

 

 

As fun as this may be I think that we are straying off-topic a bit. He wanted to know if we are offended by the term prayer noob, which I myself am not. I think that we can both agree that there are times when it is unnecessary or redundant but it is ALWAYS a valid option to use as are super sets, food, the strength skill, etc.

[Rebdragon]

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They are not fighting to their true ability!!!

 

Ill explain it again, he puts on prayer, I in return put on prayer, now his ability is HALVED.

 

Using prayer 1v1 is stunting your own capacity to win, i agree if its a pure with 34 prayer, might as well pray and ko the idiot, but when its 2 people with prayer over 43 using it is severly limiting both players ability without any gain, its stupid and pointless.

 

1v1 PKERS (not just people in the wildy but actual pkers) would never use prayer if that were the case. Why would they pray more than once if it makes it impossible to get a kill? They wouldn't. Since they still do they are obviously getting SOMETHING out of it otherwise they would stop.

 

 

 

I agree that 1v1 pkers shouldn't use prayer if they BOTH want a fast fight. Other than a fast fight there is no point in whining about "prayer noobs".

 

 

 

All of this falls under what I said before: agreed upon rules. When you instigate/recieve a fight you both have the choice to go by the "honor code" :lol: of the wildy and not pray. It is hardly noobish to better your chances of keeping your own gear by not following this "code" and praying but to each their own.

 

 

 

 

 

As fun as this may be I think that we are straying off-topic a bit. He wanted to know if we are offended by the term prayer noob, which I myself am not. I think that we can both agree that there are times when it is unnecessary or redundant but it is ALWAYS a valid option to use as are super sets, food, the strength skill, etc.

 

I don't know if this is 123's view, but I agree with you that Praying in the wild is fine. I believe that whenever there is something of great value at stake (duel arena, wild, Cw flag) then praying is fine. But in 1v1 Cw or fun duels, whats the point of having both players pray? It just makes the fight long and boring. So, when nothing is at stake, why waste peoples time and pray?

[A_Citizen]

Oh boy, Whenever I go to duel arena, I put on attack and strength 15% prayers each duel. Most of the time they call me a potter after I beat them. It's their fault that they are too dumb to use it. If they start praying, I just throw on smite and use a different attack to beat them. If a pure calls you a prayer noob, he is the REAL noob, as he can only use one attack to beat you, unless he's smart. Thats why we see so many mage/range hybrids these days. And they would also have d scimmy to stop you too. I agree though, if they pray first and you pray, you have the right to and they shouldnt call you a prayer noob.

[Bjbsk8er2]

If you pray 1 vs 1 in the wildy, leave wildy now, and don't pk again. :)

[RedsoxJH]

If you pray 1 vs 1 in the wildy, leave wildy now, and don't pk again. :)

 

 

 

Innit' m8?

[RAHK]

 

I don't know if this is 123's view, but I agree with you that Praying in the wild is fine. I believe that whenever there is something of great value at stake (duel arena, wild, Cw flag) then praying is fine. But in 1v1 Cw or fun duels, whats the point of having both players pray? It just makes the fight long and boring. So, when nothing is at stake, why waste peoples time and pray?

 

I can totally see your point here but I think that this falls under "agreed upon terms". Fun duels should either click no pray or say no pray and should follow through. CW should pray only if they need to stay alive for a few more seconds (carrying the flag, killing a flagthief, etc.) Personally I don't use pro prayers in CW unless they are necessary to win; mostly because I don't want to encourage my targets to do the same.

 

 

 

I don't call anyone a prayer noob unless they break agreed upon rules. I think praying whenever you want is fine but in certain situations all it does is waste time. 90%+ of the time, though, it makes a significant difference.

[Dark_Protoman]

i agree so much, i trained my prayer and they just go prayer n00b, just because they cant use it and think there hardcore. my opinion, at least were strategic. as for me...sort of, heh

[Nukearcher]

this is what happens if you turn pray up in begin of the fight

 

 

wasnt really hard to kill just freeze and range if they cant fight with no pray

[xxxpkuxxx]

lol people say prayer noob because they want a fair fight.. if someone is praying 1 vs 1 that doesnt mean they have "skill" that means they arent good enough to beat the other person without some serious help..

 

 

 

if you are getting pjed or teamed by like a bunch of people prayer is fine.

 

but most people are just 1 vs 1 when they are fighting someone with prayer

[RAHK]

lol people say prayer noob because they want a fair fight.. if someone is praying 1 vs 1 that doesnt mean they have "skill" that means they arent good enough to beat the other person without some serious help..

 

Why would a fight be unfair if both players used prayer? One person using it hardly prevents the other from doing the same.

 

 

 

Serious help? Well I say that you are using a whip so are therefore a "whip noob" since it gives you serious help. "Ancients Noob!!!" They are all tools to better your chances of winning.

 

 

 

And when somebody is referring to "skill" in this context they are not speaking of their prowess; only the fact that it is a skill in rs2.

 

 

 

Regardless of tactics a (legal) kill is a kill. Period. Whine all you want about how I am a prayer noob and I will gladly thank you for my winnings. :wink:

[osmo]

I don't have a problem with people praying to protect their stuff (in wild) but I wonder why people have to protect pray 1 on 1 in castlewars :roll:

[Mr_BlinG6969]

Praying in the Wild is disrespectful in my opinion. Especailly if you are skulled. Now, I can understand praying if you are doing a clue, or killing green drags, or whatever. A couple rules in the wild have been internalized like not teleing, not safing, not protect praying, not Pjing ect. Sure there arent any set rules that JaGex has made, but its respectful to go into the wild and play by the general populations rules. It's like going out to dinner at a fancy restraunt. You dont see people with ripped clothes looking like they came off the street. They are dressed up nice, even though there arent any set rules in most places you just do it.

 

 

 

Castle wars is another subject and prayer only lasts so long there. Unless you happen to bring prayer pots which would be a total waste unlike the wilderness where almost everyone has them. So, I dont have a problem with pray at CW.

[Satenza]

Yeh, the unwritten rules that only a few Pkers carry anymore. Firstly if you go pking expecting to pk someone then dont do it in under lvl 40 wild. Anywhere else they will just run and tele. Under lvl 20 pkers are on the whole either carrying a dds and thats it. Or a selection of tele runes.

[ugafan_2009]

The only time I think people are prayer noobs are fun fights in the duel arena. I thinks its cool everywhere else though.

[rybek]

What's the fun when both people pray? :?

 

Exactly

 

 

 

Praying one vers. one in a fair fight is pretty sad if you ask me. Basically you suck too much to fight without protection prayers, so you freak out and flick the prayer on like a sissy. The only time it's okay in my opinion to pray is fighting NPC's, when you are being teamed and you have an unfair advantage, or you get "pile jumped".

 

 

 

You might resort to the "well Jagex put it in for a reason." While this is true, that doesn't mean praying 1v1 doesn't make you a pansy, and lame. On rsc, the only protection prayer you could use in PvP was protect from missiles(range). The reason they changed it is because of you whiney babies that complain about the wilderness being too dangerous. Well why do you think that some of the best xp, and items can be found in the wilderness? Because it is SUPPOSED to be dangerous.

 

 

 

That's just my opinion

 

 

 

I totally agree with every single word he said.

 

 

 

Amen brother :wink:

[rybek]

I'm still training up (I'm pretty low level) and I've been working hard on my prayer. For the most part I find prayer is OK. Even one on one.

 

 

 

It's just like working hard to use magic when you are not a mage. It is a combat skill used to gain an advantage in a fight, people who shout "Pr4y3r n^b" are people who are obviously not patient enough to train the difficult prayer skill and are not strong enough to defeat somebody using it.

 

 

 

Prayer makes you a stronger opponent. Not a cheater or a noob.

 

 

 

I've repeated this a lot in the post, but to stress...

 

 

 

Prayer is a hard earned skill which assists in giving you an upside in combat. Anybody that believes prayer is unfair cannot stand to be at a disadvantage, because they are not skilled fighters and they literally need their opponent to hold back for a "Fair fight". A fair fight is you and your oppponent giving it everything you've got. Anything else is a sissy deathmatch.

 

 

 

(This is my first post, I hope it was good enough for you guys :) , I will try to make all my posts like this.)

 

 

 

When you say people that call you a "pray noob" are too impatient to train the "difficult" prayer skill, I am pretty sure you are mistaken. Several people that say that are pkers, who have mains to fund their pures. On their mains, they have prayer, but they choose not to WASTE combat levels on their pures. The reason people make pures is to be strong at a low combat. Getting prayer boosts the combat level up, and doesn't really make you much stronger. As for mains that call you a prayer noob, more than likely they have prayer too. Most of the time that someone calls you a prayer noob, they won't have less pray than you, unless they are pure.

 

 

 

Prayer does not make you a stronger opponent. It makes you a waste of time to fight. It actually makes you weaker, just more defensive.

 

 

 

It was a good first post =). We can always use members that make good posts like this :D .

 

 

 

 

 

On the subject of pures and prayer (Which we could argue FOREVER) a pure IS designed to stay at a low combat level and be strong. I am a pure aswell. But I still use prayer, look at famous pker's like Mahatma and 3 hit u. They use prayer because it gives them a definitive advantage. If you use Ultimate strength and you have 90 strength already you just gave yourself 2 or 3 extra damage possibly a hit.

 

 

 

Saying that prayer makes you weaker is quite stupid. Yes prayer DOES give you quite a few more combat levels. But it still gives you an advantage. On on a main there is NO QUESTION about having prayer or not. On pures it's debatable.

 

 

 

As you said, a pure can take on people of a higher combat level. Prayer has got to be the greatest single thing to decieve a pure.

 

 

 

Level 20 wilderness, mediumish, a few people pk around these areas, and they can be led up from dragons and castle. You are a pure with 45 prayer. There is another pure a dozen or so level lower then you without prayer. Unprayer-Pure attacks Prayer-Pure. Why not, he's completely pure (pure pure pure pure, pure pure. Pure) and should be able to kill a guy a dozen or so levels higher no problem. Uhoh, Prayer-Pure kicks his ever lovin' arse because he had a strong definitive advantage.

 

 

 

Prayer is a combat skill that is effective in, can you guess? Combat!

 

 

 

Dude, Mahatma and 3 Hit U dont use protection prayers but stat boosting prayers. Thats a huge difference, and people call "prayer noobs" those whoo use protection prayers in a 1v1 fight. Thats pathetic for me. And pures with melee stats have prayer just becouse of the stat boosting ones and/or to protect themselves from teams or taggers or pray back.

[Wilmot]

Protect prayers do not give you an advantage in pvp combat is most circumstances.

 

 

 

In castle wars for instance, using protect prayers actually gives the *higher* level more chance of winning. Also what is more fun, hitting 30+ or hitting 18s?

 

 

 

The sword on halo is a bad analogy. The sword is a very good weapon. It doesn't make you live longer. Often you die faster with the sword than you would otherwise - you an easy target, people are going to shoot you first if you have it. Also there is only generally one of them per map. There is nothing unfair or unfun about the sword.

[Kariga]

Praying, i do not use it in wilderness. Why? Because i would be kicked from my clan :oops: and its not fun to fight with 2 people praying( 0,01% chance of knocking him out)

 

 

 

Don't know about this though: If somebody would make a pure with stats of a normal pure but 43 prayer instead. And he would use the prayer as his "defence" and "armor"(which as a skill would be 1 thus giving 0 combat levels) It propably would give power as much as 50-60 defence.

 

the questino would be would 60 defence or 43 prayer be more worthwhile? 43 prayer would propably win. But the amount of people who would stay to fight this person who uses prayers all the time would be low.