question on graphics cards

[runesmithie]

Let's just wait a second here

 

 

 

What are the specs on the rest of your computer? The graphics card could very possibly be the most powerful part in there and everything else would be a bottleneck to it =\ Which is indeed a waste of money

[destroyon2]

Let's just wait a second here

 

 

 

What are the specs on the rest of your computer? The graphics card could very possibly be the most powerful part in there and everything else would be a bottleneck to it =\ Which is indeed a waste of money

 

 

 

2gb ddr memory 400gb hard drive not sure of processor

[Diminished2b]

I suggest a 7950GX2. Although, you'll need a STRONG CPU to make a difference. In almost all of the benchmarks I've seen the difference between a 7800GT, 7900GT, and 7950GX2 is barely anything. This is because bottlenecking of the CPU.

 

 

 

AMD Athlon 64 4800+

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious, that the AMD Athlon 64 4800+ is LIMITING!! Your video card.

 

 

 

I suggest a 7900GT. They are affordable (>$300), and will probably match your system.

 

 

 

I don't suggest you get ATI. All of the benchmarks I've seen show the X1900 beating the 7900GT/7950GTX at mid resolutions but when you crank it up higher than nVidia starts to take the cake.

 

 

 

 

 

My vote: A 7900GT.

 

Why?: Why buy a $1300 card when your CPU is going to bottleneck it. There is _NO_ affordable desktop-based processor that can keep up with the newer Graphical Processing Units.

 

 

 

~http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130016

[destroyon2]

I suggest a 7950GX2. Although, you'll need a STRONG CPU to make a difference. In almost all of the benchmarks I've seen the difference between a 7800GT, 7900GT, and 7950GX2 is barely anything. This is because bottlenecking of the CPU.

 

 

 

AMD Athlon 64 4800+

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious, that the AMD Athlon 64 4800+ is LIMITING!! Your video card.

 

 

 

I suggest a 7900GT. They are affordable (>$300), and will probably match your system.

 

 

 

I don't suggest you get ATI. All of the benchmarks I've seen show the X1900 beating the 7900GT/7950GTX at mid resolutions but when you crank it up higher than nVidia starts to take the cake.

 

 

 

 

 

My vote: A 7900GT.

 

Why?: Why buy a $1300 card when your CPU is going to bottleneck it. There is _NO_ affordable desktop-based processor that can keep up with the newer Graphical Processing Units.

 

 

 

~http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130016

 

u seem to kno wut ur talkin about so ill go with wut u said

[yomom1919]

also, maximum pc ruled that for 400$ and under cards, ati won. but for the top (500$) cards, nvidia was the winner over ati. and for the dual gpu's nvidia was also the winner.

 

if your on a budget (which your not) ati is your card. if your a big spender (which you plan on doing) then nvidia is the choice.

 

thats what maximum pc ruled, and i dont think i would debate that.

[blade995]

I suggest a 7950GX2. Although, you'll need a STRONG CPU to make a difference. In almost all of the benchmarks I've seen the difference between a 7800GT, 7900GT, and 7950GX2 is barely anything. This is because bottlenecking of the CPU.

 

 

 

AMD Athlon 64 4800+

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious, that the AMD Athlon 64 4800+ is LIMITING!! Your video card.

 

 

 

I suggest a 7900GT. They are affordable (>$300), and will probably match your system.

 

 

 

I don't suggest you get ATI. All of the benchmarks I've seen show the X1900 beating the 7900GT/7950GTX at mid resolutions but when you crank it up higher than nVidia starts to take the cake.

 

 

 

 

 

My vote: A 7900GT.

 

Why?: Why buy a $1300 card when your CPU is going to bottleneck it. There is _NO_ affordable desktop-based processor that can keep up with the newer Graphical Processing Units.

 

 

 

~http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130016

 

 

 

Where is this piece of **** benchmark from? The 7950GX2 is 2 7900GTs in SLI and just the single 7900GT wins? The people didn't think about games that support SLI and games that didn't when they were benchmarking this.

 

 

 

Those frames seem pretty high for a single card with those resolutions. Unless they were testing on low detail just to swing the bechmarks in one direction.

 

 

 

Cpu is not a bottleneck anymore. Almost all games now are graphics card dependant.

 

 

 

Oh and btw there is not AMD 64 4800+(single core). There is however a AMD X2 4800+(dual core).

 

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My suggestion would be either a 7900GT, but don't go by the above benchmarks, or a x1900XT.

 

 

 

EDIT: If you want some real benchmarks look at this here

 

 

 

Make sure you look at if the card is in SLI or if it's a single card.

[Diminished2b]

That link basically makes you basically contradict yourself. The only benchmark which has drastic differences is in BF2.

[blade995]

If your looking at the benchmark picture above and not the link I posted you sir are the idiot.

 

 

 

That 7800GTX are in SLI. The 7900GT is not. Then the 7950GX2 is 2 of them and that doesn't beat a single one? Come on there is something wrong with this benchmark.

 

 

 

You can't just post a benchmark without telling about the setup of the computer, the game and the drivers you used.

 

 

 

Do some research please, the CPU is not the main component in games. When you can't play a game do you go and buy a graphics card or a processor?

 

 

 

Yeah the processor will give some fps to the game but not as much as a fast graphics card.

 

 

 

EDIT: Before I posted this he edited his post and changed the whole thing.

[Diminished2b]

I said is *A* main component. They are all within a few FPS of eachother because of the CPU bottlenecking the game, obviously.

 

 

 

Your benchmark also said 7900GTX > 7950GX2. Unlikely.

 

 

 

I posted it to simply show that the CPU bottlenecks the cards an almost all games to the FPS they are at.

[blade995]

I said is *A* main component. They are all within a few FPS of eachother because of the CPU bottlenecking the game, obviously.

 

 

 

Your benchmark also said 7900GTX > 7950GX2. Unlikely.

 

 

 

I posted it to simply show that the CPU bottlenecks the cards an almost all games to the FPS they are at.

 

 

 

Good now in a civilized manner we can speak. May I ask what game that is? Some games only use 1 card and are not programed to use both.

 

 

 

If the CPU is a bottleneck there is not 1 processor thats fast enough to not be one then. It said in the link I gave it may be one and they were using a FX57 (2.8ghz), the fastest single core out. It also depends on the resolution, say you play on 800x600 then it's more cpu dependant. At 1600x1200 it's more graphics. Usaly like me if your on a LCD they can only support up to 1280x1024 so it's a waist, unless you get up to the 20" rangle and then they can support higher resolutions.

[Liquid_Morph]

I suggest a 7950GX2. Although, you'll need a STRONG CPU to make a difference. In almost all of the benchmarks I've seen the difference between a 7800GT, 7900GT, and 7950GX2 is barely anything. This is because bottlenecking of the CPU.

 

 

 

AMD Athlon 64 4800+

 

 

 

 

It's quite obvious, that the AMD Athlon 64 4800+ is LIMITING!! Your video card.

 

 

 

I suggest a 7900GT. They are affordable (>$300), and will probably match your system.

 

 

 

I don't suggest you get ATI. All of the benchmarks I've seen show the X1900 beating the 7900GT/7950GTX at mid resolutions but when you crank it up higher than nVidia starts to take the cake.

 

 

 

 

 

My vote: A 7900GT.

 

Why?: Why buy a $1300 card when your CPU is going to bottleneck it. There is _NO_ affordable desktop-based processor that can keep up with the newer Graphical Processing Units.

 

 

 

~http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130016

 

u seem to kno wut ur talkin about so ill go with wut u said

 

 

 

damn...$1300? X1900XTX - $1300? Where you been shopping? RipOffzR-Uz.com? X1900XTX are about $450.

 

 

 

Also, he doesn't know what he's talking about...No affordable desktop CPU that can keep up with the latest and greatest GPU's huh? Try the new Intel Conroe Core Duo...Overclockable like a beast.

 

 

 

Also, check out this review on an ATI Sapphire Radeon X1900XTX 512MB PCI-E from Guru3D:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/315/11/

 

See the comparisions with the GeForce card. Besides, I have not seen a review were a 7900 whatever beats a X1900XTX, but hear this; A X1900XTX can play every game to my knowledge from 1600x1200, below, even more, except hard-core games such as F.E.A.R, GRAW, COD2, etc etc with PLAYABLE frame-rates.

 

 

 

The thing is, ATi's IQ (Image Quality) defeats nVidia's by miles! So what if (don't even know if it's true), that a 7900 beats a X1900XTX (still don't know if it's true). ATi still gives acceptable playable frame-rates, with far superior Image Quality, and Drivers.

 

 

 

 

 

On another note, contradictory on your side, that site is bull for benchmarks;

 

 

 

1. It didn't even say the game, or resolution, or settings.

 

 

 

2. 1x 7900GT was having the same FPS as 1x 7950GX2? That's a loada crap.

[Diminished2b]

1. What is your basis for better image quality and drivers? I seriously doubt that. I don't think ATI even offers transparent antialiasing.

 

The first two reviews I saw on google about image quality said it's subjective. They both have their ups and downs. I doubt that's "miles ahead." These were also old reviews, before transparent antialiasing and many other features. I'd like to say it's still most likely subjective with no clear winner.

 

Miles ahead. heh.

 

 

 

2. Intel's Duo Core affordable desktop processors are hardly better than a 4800+. The 4800+ was bottlenecking the GPU and that's why they were all the same.

 

 

 

Anyways, ATI offers the X1900XTX for about $500 on average. Considering you can get a 7950GX2 for $560 why even get it.

 

 

 

Why a 7950GX2 owns a 1900XTX:

 

Dual GPU vs Single GPU

 

48 pipelines vs 16 pipelines, with 48 for shading

 

512-bit memory interface vs 256-bit memory interface

 

1gig of GDDR3 vs 512mb of GDDR3

 

 

 

etc..

[Anesthesia]

You could reserve judgement until September and get a G-80, should be DX10 compatible too.

[Diminished2b]

You could reserve judgement until September and get a G-80, should be DX10 compatible too.

 

 

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G80

 

 

 

Games like Crysis and whatnot will use DirectX 10. To get the full effect of these games you'll need a DirectX-10 compliant video card. If you have the patience to wait, please do so.

 

Good suggestion. =D>

 

 

 

/me likes OpenGL more, but meh.. DirectX is progressing pretty nicely.

[blade995]

Finaly someone is on my side with the ATI cards and going against this other guy that knows nothing. Thank you Liquid Morph. One thing though, ATI drivers do suck, but they are getting better with their frequent releases. They also have Omega drivers which are awsome, Nividia doesn't. Nvidia drivers aren't that much better though.

 

 

 

You could reserve judgement until September and get a G-80, should be DX10 compatible too.

 

 

 

Good idea but then you would need to upgrade to Vista also :( .

[Diminished2b]

You wouldn't have to upgrade to vista to use the G80s.

[Linguns]

I recomend any card of the series Nvidia, because if you have one and install the program Nvidia Settings, this will improve the card, and the card are a little economic

[Anesthesia]

They are DX10 COMPATIBLE, not mandatory - so no upgrade necessary. It means that you CAN upgrade when you want to, though.

 

 

 

I will be getting an 8-series after christmas.

[yomom1919]

no offence to anyone here, but i think i would go with what the main pc mags say. their oppinions shouldnt be too split on the best card, because they preety much do the same tests. (take note of the computer specs each mag uses!).

 

the people posting oppinions here are seeming to be a little (or very) biased with the whole "ati ftw" or "nvidia ftw". that really doesnt help, because thats buying by the brand. ofcourse if someone here supplied good evidence to support either card, and a few people were on each side of a card with data to support their claims, then you could make a decision for yourself. but listening to people giving biased oppinions is just going to harm you.