Galloway Speaks...

[Higothrekk]

Israel is a terrorist country both in politics and military action, they'll do anything to keep their huge budget (kindly provided by the germans and the USA) and the racial right to slaughter as many palestinian children as they can.

[Adam007]

Israel is a terrorist country both in politics and military action, they'll do anything to keep their huge budget (kindly provided by the germans and the USA) and the racial right to slaughter as many palestinian children as they can.

 

If Israel has a child casualty it's because it was an accident - most likely Hezbollah hiding behind civilians. Hezbollah, on the other hand, specifically attacks civilians. Don't talk as if Israel's goal is to attack children. It's to annihalate a persistantly annoying problem that just won't ever go away.

 

 

 

And I love how you make Islam seperate. Muslims dont belong to another race! Are we all part of the HUMAN RACE?

 

Actually humans are a species. Races are kind of like breeds, if you look at dogs - a species (the ability to breed). But that's not really here nor there. I was going to post more but I have to go, so I'm leaving on that off-topic note.

[Kryptic]

Is that suppose to justify "whipe out all muslims" quote mentioned above?

 

 

 

Used the wrong words, but still isn't right to whipe a whole group of people just because you dont like them. If that were the way all european Jews would have been dealt with a long time ago.

[pianofrieak2]

Kryptic, I am pro-Israel because Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They let jeeps come in, shoot missiles into Israel, and then retreat so Israel can't find them. And Israel may have thousands of people in jail (I doubt it but if you can find a source it'd be nice to prove me wrong), but how do you know they're NOT terrorists? Just because they weren't found with a gun doesn't mean that they aren't terrorists. A civilian, in that area of the world, could just be a terrorist without a gun.

 

 

 

Besides, Israel has the smartest intelligence of any nation on the planet. I'd trust them over trusting anyone else based solely on that. Besides, Israel is all about survival at this point. They've ceded land, pulled out troops, halted invasions when they clearly were winning and could've taken over the entire Middle East (7 days war), and finally decided to build a wall so that the terrorists missiles couldn't come into the nation.

 

 

 

Those two soldiers' kidnapping was a combination of "the straw that broke the camel's back" and the new prime minister showing his authority and no-nonsense approach.

 

 

 

Don't give us this crap about how Israel is such a terrible nation and Hezbollah is a God-send. That's ridiculous and any sane person knows it.

 

 

 

I may side with Not in not trusting the media, so I found this source. Tell me what you think.

 

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedc ... eedman.htm

 

HOW TERRORISTS WORK THE MEDIA

 

 

 

By ILANA FREEDMAN

 

August 8, 2006 -- THE West - and in particular, the Western media - remains hopelessly naive about terrorist manipulation. My own way of putting it is: "The first story out wins." Hezbollah, Hamas, the various PLO factions and al Qaeda all use this principle to influence world opinion and decision-makers.

 

 

 

The latest example is the tragedy at Qana. Seven hours after an Israeli airstrike on a building behind which Hezbollah was firing rockets into Israel, Hezbollah spokesmen reported 56 dead, including 34 children had been killed. Yet the International Red Cross subsequently reported 28 deaths, 16 of them children.

 

 

 

Once the news broke, news photographers were invited to photograph the scene. Hundreds of photographs show Hezbollah and Red Cross rescue workers posing with several dead children for over an hour under the hot Lebanese sun, in shocking disrespect for the dead, before unceremoniously leaving their little bodies sprawled and uncovered on gurneys as they waited for burial.

 

 

 

Wise media spinners rush to fill the immediate news vacuum. Indeeed, they are "miraculously" on the spot when the story breaks. To gain their PR advantage, they are willing to stage events and manufacture stories, which they spin into sensational, headline-grabbing sound- and sight-bites. Then they rush to get their first story out to the broadest possible audience.

 

 

 

Another recent example: The Palestinian family of seven killed on a beach in northern Gaza on June 9, making headlines around the world. Hamas was immediately on the scene; its people selectively filmed the site, then quickly sanitized it so no other pictures could be taken.

 

As Hamas told it, an Israeli gunboat had fired on the family, creating a massacre. That story hit the airwaves like a rocket and reverberated around the world for days. The British newspaper The Guardian, for one, reported, "A barrage of Israeli artillery shells rained down on a busy Gaza beach yesterday, killing seven Palestinians, three of them children."

 

But the IDF tested shrapnel fragments removed from the body of one young girl, who was treated in an Israeli hospital - and found that its materials were inconsistent with Israeli ordnance. Further examination of the site from aerial photographs by international explosives experts showed that the explosion's crater wasn't of the kind caused by a rocket or artillery fire. In the end, the most likely scenario was that the explosion was caused by an IED, probably planted by Hamas to protect the beach from Israeli incursions from the sea.

 

 

 

But the first version of the story is what is remembered - indeed, has become a staple of anti-Israel rhetoric, supporting Hamas' charges of Israeli brutality.

 

 

 

The classic case is Jenin, the Palestinian town subjected to an April 2002 Israeli military operation. Acting to stem the flow of suicide bombers that had killed 151 Israelis in three months, Israeli troops fought door-to-door to avoid harming civilians. But the Palestinian news agency, Wafa, rushed to tell the world that the Israelis had massacred more than 500 innocent civilians - and again, the story stuck.

 

 

 

In fact, an independent United Nations commission later determined that Israeli soldiers had killed just 56 Palestinians, most of them combatants.

 

CNN's Nic Robertson, to his credit, has admitted that his July 19 report from Lebanon was influenced by Hezbollah-imposed constraints. "They designated the places that we went to," he said.

 

 

 

"Hezbollah has a very, very sophisticated and slick media operation," Robertson has noted. "They can turn on and off access . . . You don't get in without their permission." CBS correspondent Elizabeth Palmer adds, "Hezbollah is determined that outsiders will only see what it wants them to see." In other words, if you want to capture the sights and sounds of the war in Lebanon, it is Hezbollah who will provide your admission ticket.

 

 

 

The strategy has been used for many years. The American Colony Hotel in East Jerusalem, for example, long served as an ad hoc press center for the Palestinian Authority. Any journalist wanting access to a sensational story knew that if he didn't write his copy in a way that promoted the Palestinian cause, he would never get another chance. I've heard first-hand from reporters from four countries of journalists who were threatened or forced to leave the region after reporting events in a light unfavorable to the PA.

 

 

 

The better we in the West understand how the enemy uses the media, the more effectively we can defend ourselves from the impact of its message. The stories of Qana and Jenin are only two among many. But they send a strong message that our media, which provides instant news coverage around the globe, can also be a force multiplier for misinformation. We must view it with a critical eye, and measure the message with intelligent skepticism and a clear understanding of the dynamics that lie behind it.

 

Ilana Freedman has worked in counter-terrorism for two decades.

 

 

 

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[Tetsuya]

Besides, Israel has the smartest intelligence of any nation on the planet. I'd trust them over trusting anyone else based solely on that.

 

lol, I wouldnt even trust Israel with my car keys. I find them as one of the least trustworthy nations on this planet.

 

 

 

They've ceded land, pulled out troops, halted invasions when they clearly were winning and could've taken over the entire Middle East (7 days war), and finally decided to build a wall so that the terrorists missiles couldn't come into the nation.

 

They've ceeded a little land, but not very much of it. Israel still has yet, after 39 years to comply with Resolution 242.

[mad4u689]

I think this has evolved into enough of a general Middle Eastish discussion that I thought I'd post an interesting "solution" by Jon Stewart. A little background on Jon Stewart himself: he's the host of 'The Daily Show' which is a comedy show in the US on Comedy Central. He's a New York Jew. While the show is a comedy (and thus he inserts jokes into his dialogue) the show is also very politically oriented and Jon Stewart likes to tackle some tough issues.

 

 

 

Here's a rough transcript I tried to take from an interview in one of his shows, on his "solution" for the Middle East.

 

 

 

Do you want to hear my plan? Seriousy? You're the only person who wants to hear it. Jerusalem: International city. It's too important - if it's God's backyard - too important for any one country to have the burden of governing... internationalize the city, anybody can use it... Christian, Muslim, Jew... It's not in control of one area - Palestinians get a real nice state, access to water... and, uh... Israel gets - y'know - their thing - where they get to have Chanukah and don't have to put Christmas lights up in the mall - and - uhh - that's it! Done! And then that's... and then... done! What do you think? Why won't it work?

 

 

 

 

 

For all the money and military might we're using, why can't we just split the Palestinians off from the Israelis - just split it, protect them, be like the... the duct tape in between the two sides - make sure that they have a healthy environment to raise a state in - we're already deploying soldiers and money, so why not just deploy them there - where it seems like that's the nuclear reactor of tension in the region?

 

 

 

Just thought it might spark some interesting discussion :D

[pianofrieak2]

Jon Stewart has the idea that will eventually take place. But it's already been tried and so far has failed.

 

 

 

France decided to spearhead the efforts to put a 15,000 UN peacekeeping force in place to prevent Israel from fighting and Hezbollah from launching rockets. However, France pledged 200 (yes 200 not 2000 but 200) men and most of those were engineers.

 

 

 

Can you get anymore worthless?

 

 

 

Anyway, that's what's trying to happen, but no country is willing to put their men in that region quite yet. Maybe when the UN gets some power, they can actually do it. (which I'm also against btw)

[Not]

Jon Stewart has the idea that will eventually take place. But it's already been tried and so far has failed.

 

 

 

France decided to spearhead the efforts to put a 15,000 UN peacekeeping force in place to prevent Israel from fighting and Hezbollah from launching rockets. However, France pledged 200 (yes 200 not 2000 but 200) men and most of those were engineers.

 

 

 

Can you get anymore worthless?

 

 

 

Anyway, that's what's trying to happen, but no country is willing to put their men in that region quite yet. Maybe when the UN gets some power, they can actually do it. (which I'm also against btw)

 

 

 

Wasn't Italy planning on sending in thousands of troops, something I overheard on CNN earlier.

 

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1853308,00.html

 

 

 

Looks like they are planning on sending in 3000.

[Kryptic]

To Piano:

 

 

 

How could you say that all of the thousands of prisoners in Israel are terrorists? Thats ignorant. Like Tetsuya said, I wouldnt trust Israel with anything! All governing states nowadays just want money, and its easy for Israel to kidnapp civilians and invade Lebanons soveriegnty to get it! Advanced/Smartest Intellegence means to me smarter ways into getting money, and serving Israel's purpose, which is being Little America.

 

 

 

When you look at it, who attacked who first? Who invaded whos country first?! Who decided to kidnapp FIRST?! WHO?!?! - Israel.

 

 

 

Ignorant to think that Hezbollah, an official army of Lebanon, is a terrorist organization when they retaliate. Dont get it twisted, Israel is in the wrong when it comes to this particular war.

 

 

 

 

 

Side note --- Jon Stewart is awesome. I totally agree with that statement. He always makes it soo simple and yet keep his reputation of being funny. Another legend!

[Adam007]

Is that suppose to justify "whipe out all muslims" quote mentioned above?

 

 

 

Used the wrong words, but still isn't right to whipe a whole group of people just because you dont like them. If that were the way all european Jews would have been dealt with a long time ago.

 

Oh, not at all, I mentioned that I was just pointing out you were wrong on that, not in reference to what you were talking about though. I'm a jew - with my people's history there's no way I'd support someone saying that.

 

 

 

Speaking of the Jon Stewart thing, kind of off topic, but I can't wait for this movie based off him and his popularity: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pg7i8ILVrEQ

 

I'd lovvee it if that happened. :3>

[mad4u689]

[ off topic ] I can't wait for that movie either :3> I mean, it also has the best cast like ever. Robin Williams, Jeff Goldblum, and Christopher Walken? Sigh. Also, I'd vote for Jon Stewart, in all seriousness. [ / off topic and won't talk about it again :x ]

[pianofrieak2]

To Piano:

 

 

 

How could you say that all of the thousands of prisoners in Israel are terrorists? Thats ignorant. Like Tetsuya said, I wouldnt trust Israel with anything! All governing states nowadays just want money, and its easy for Israel to kidnapp civilians and invade Lebanons soveriegnty to get it! Advanced/Smartest Intellegence means to me smarter ways into getting money, and serving Israel's purpose, which is being Little America.

 

 

 

When you look at it, who attacked who first? Who invaded whos country first?! Who decided to kidnapp FIRST?! WHO?!?! - Israel.

 

 

 

Ignorant to think that Hezbollah, an official army of Lebanon, is a terrorist organization when they retaliate. Dont get it twisted, Israel is in the wrong when it comes to this particular war.

 

 

 

 

 

Side note --- Jon Stewart is awesome. I totally agree with that statement. He always makes it soo simple and yet keep his reputation of being funny. Another legend!

 

 

 

Kryptic, Israel was attacked first. Israel has BEEN attacked first by rockets and suicide bombers since the invention of Islam. It i useless to talk about how evil Israel is when you neglect to even look at the evidence FOR Israel.

 

 

 

Hezbollah has repeatedly made statements saying they want to eliminate Israel off the map. That's their political platform for goodness' sakes. They are a terrorist organization. I don't care of they're official or were voted in or not, they are a terrorist organization whose sole platform is to wipe out an entire country.

 

 

 

PLease don't get it twisted and think that Israel is in the wrong here. After all, I gave you proof for my side. If you can find some for me, I'd appreciate it.

[Kryptic]

If you were to invade my soveriegnty for over 24 years, terrorizing innocents - my goal would to whipe you off the earth too. After so much, Israel wants to cease fire and expect everyone to be friends? Its not going to happen.

 

 

 

http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/bilin.wmv

 

 

 

Israeli Army shooting at Protestors. Since when is it justified to shoot citizens when their protesting? Video is graphic.

[Faux]

If you were to invade my soveriegnty for over 24 years, terrorizing innocents - my goal would to whipe you off the earth too. After so much, Israel wants to cease fire and expect everyone to be friends? Its not going to happen.

 

 

 

Holy crap dude, how brainwashed are you?

 

 

 

Spain invaded and took control of Philippines for over three centuries. Each and every kid that lives there knows that. But that was in the past, I'm not going to wipe out Spaniards now for what they did before.

 

 

 

People should know better than to take this guy seriously. It's sad to think there's millions with the same kind of mentality though.

[pianofrieak2]

If you were to invade my soveriegnty for over 24 years, terrorizing innocents - my goal would to whipe you off the earth too. After so much, Israel wants to cease fire and expect everyone to be friends? Its not going to happen.

 

 

 

http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/bilin.wmv

 

 

 

Israeli Army shooting at Protestors. Since when is it justified to shoot citizens when their protesting? Video is graphic.

 

 

 

How many times has the Arab world targeted an Israeli military target? From what I understand, the terrorist organizations (Hezbollah, Iran and Syria who give their weapons to Hezbollah) always attack civilians.

 

 

 

Bus bombs, bombs in crowded marketplaces, bombs in restaurants, etc. None of those are military targets. Don't even get me started on how Hezbollah actually cares about hindering the Israeli military. They just want to kill as many people as possible.

 

 

 

Israel, on the other hand, attacks military outposts and factories. The main reason "innocents" get killed is because they were forced to be put in the line of fire so that Hezbollah can claim innocents died and make Israel look bad. Besides, you never even addressed the article I posted showing how Hezbollah controls the media over there.

 

 

 

You have yet to show how Israel controls the media or twists it to their advantage.

[Kryptic]

If you were to invade my soveriegnty for over 24 years, terrorizing innocents - my goal would to whipe you off the earth too. After so much, Israel wants to cease fire and expect everyone to be friends? Its not going to happen.

 

 

 

Holy crap dude, how brainwashed are you?

 

 

 

Spain invaded and took control of Philippines for over three centuries. Each and every kid that lives there knows that. But that was in the past, I'm not going to wipe out Spaniards now for what they did before.

 

 

 

People should know better than to take this guy seriously. It's sad to think there's millions with the same kind of mentality though.

 

 

 

We arent talking about centuries ago. This is decades. The terrorizing wasn't from fore-fathers, it just happened decades ago. The people still remember their famillies taken away into custody. They are not going to take kindly of that - nor would I.

 

 

 

Then dont post.

 

 

 

The media is pushed to sway you into siding with Israel, its the truth. Do I really need to prove that?

 

 

 

The video I posted shows Israel forcfully pushing their way into villages, like the one shown in the video. When I see stuff like a man getting shot for voicing his opinion doesn't seem justified in my eyes. I dont know how you see it or how you feel about it, but he wasn't a threat towards Israel or anyone for that matter - yet he was shot? For what? Was that bullet justified in your eyes too?

 

 

 

I dont like seeing that type of stuff and watch the aggressors get away with it. It happens all the time, its just not all of it is voiced in the News broadcasts or taken on video for anyone to see. Hezbollah is attacking innocents, but Israel kidnapped innocents!

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLGIWA3WXQ

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwH6yDmvPGM&mode=related&search=

 

 

 

Ohh yaa their attacking Hezbollah! Not Farms, factories, bridges, sewage pipes - Their attacking Hezbollah. Dont spit cabbage at me.

[Faux]

We arent talking about centuries ago. This is decades. The terrorizing wasn't from fore-fathers, it just happened decades ago. The people still remember their famillies taken away into custody. They are not going to take kindly of that - nor would I.

 

 

 

 

What's the difference? They invaded us for a lot longer and your acting like you have to 'wipe them off the map' because of that. And I'm not talking about 'centuries' ago. My great-grandparents were there to experience the Spanish rule, but even they didn't teach their children to start wiping off Spaniards off the planet.

 

 

 

The Filipinos fought for freedom and that's what they got. Philippines today is an independent country because my people fought for freedom. They didn't want to wipe anyone off the planet, they just wanted freedom.

 

 

 

If Muslims have the same mentality as that, I would respect that. But instead, you get this 'revenge, revenge, revenge, genocide' bull [cabbage]. Stop acting like Palestinians are the only people to get mistreated.

[Kryptic]

The Filipinos fought for freedom and that's what they got. Philippines today is an independent country because my people fought for freedom. They didn't want to wipe anyone off the planet, they just wanted freedom.

 

 

 

So do the Palestinians.

 

 

 

If Muslims have the same mentality as that, I would respect that. But instead, you get this 'revenge, revenge, revenge, genocide' bull cabbage. Stop acting like Palestinians are the only people to get mistreated.

 

 

 

Your talking about people who arn't very smart. Education isn't really enforced in Palestine for many reasons. Israel being one them. And when you deal with uneducated people and poke them with a very sharp stick their going to fight back. Thats all they know. A society with no hope of a job or future becomes a "terrorist". And why do they have no hope of a job or future? Israel limits that for them.

 

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/18/GazaReport_041018.html

 

 

 

^^ Destroying Homes

 

 

 

http://nakba48.org/?p=154

 

 

 

^^ Destroying Lebanons Economy

 

 

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman07292006.html

 

 

 

^^ Destroying Lives

 

 

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/hanania05192004.html

 

 

 

^^ Israeli Warcrimes Described and Reflected

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Side note - Someone just pmed me ingame, and threw racial slurrs accusing me for being Anti-Semetic. I am not Anti-Semetic. I respect all religions and all beliefs. If anything I am Anti-Zionist, the organization that started the movement of creating the new state Israel. Do Not Get That Twisted! (Directed to those who think Im Anti-Semetic)