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I don't religion will ever disappear from the Earth. I'm very strong in favor of spirituality, but I also think that, from personal experience, spirituality means nothing unless it is being fostered with others in an organized way. Hence, we need religion to be spiritual! Now you can say "Well, I'm spiritual and I don't go to church," but if you really mean that, then how often do you pray or tithe or do anything related to your spirituality? If you think being spiritual means believing in a higher power, then I would question that. And even if I conceded that believing in a higher power means you're spiritual, you're not doing anything with that. It's like me believing in unicorns...it doesn't change my life. Besides, I know some really "good" atheists, so it would be silly to claim that being spiritual makes you a better person. It may, but if you believing in a higher power makes you a better person, then would you be a terrible person if you didn't believe in a higher power? As a result, I don't believe that spirituality will ever bring about a radical change in someone's life (though there are a few exceptions but very few). Religion is necessary for spirituality since it comes with discipline and like-minded people who can encourage you in your spirituality. Lol these posts are always so funny. I'm not going to give an in-depth argument for why God cannot not have hell. At least you said that you know it's not the truth, but God, being just, cannot just "forget" your sin without violating His very nature. God's justice and love are equally present. Thus, there must be a place where you atone for your sins and are kept from His presence. Your sin is your only stumbling block; unfortunately, it's a big one. And since no work will eliminate your sin, then I'm afraid that there must simply be an eternal hell, a place of separation from God. If you want more information on the topic, or if you want to find out how Jesus paid for your sins, just pm me.

Crappy.

Lol he's fallen far behind Lieberman. I find that very ironic!

If there's tons of articles proving this then you won't have a problem citing some, will you? Also remember that they have to establish cause & effect, not just correlation (I'll bet at least 50% of all criminals smoke or drink alcohol, but that doesn't prove smoking or drinking cause crime). http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/availa ... 0rap%20%22 http://www.focusonyourchild.com/enterta ... 00210.html http://www.stayfreemagazine.org/archive ... ence1.html http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/i ... olence.cfm http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/petersikt/ ... Thing.html The Media Made Them Do it After the 1966 NBC-TV thriller The Doomsday Flight depicted an airplane hijacking, the nationÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s major airlines reported a dramatic rise in anonymous bomb threats (some of them considered teen pranks). The network agreed not to run the film again. (Richard Cambpell, Media and Culture, page 415) * * * A five-year-old set his baby sisterÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s bed ablaze with a cigarette lighter, killing her and destroying his home. According to the boyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s mom, he got the idea from MTV characters Beavis and Butt-head, who play with fire and say things like "Fire is cool." In Ohio, three girls set a house on fire while attempting to copy a scene in which Beavis (or possibly Butt-head) sets fire to his buddyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s hair by igniting spray from an aerosol can. The girls, however, used the technique to set clothing on fire, not hair, and ended up burning the house. (Los Angeles Times, October 14, 1993) * * * During a holdup of an Ogden, Utah, stereo shop, Andrews and Pierre Dale Selby forced five employees and customers to drink liquid Drano. The men said they got the idea from the Clint Eastwood movie Magnum Force, in which a pimp kills a prostitute by making her drink the product. (Newsday, August 10, 1992) * * * A gang in Manchester, England, tortured a 16-year-old girl, set her afire and left her dying, while one of the attackers repeated a line from ChildÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Play 3: "IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m ChuckyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ wanna play?" (The New York Times, July 10, 1994) * * * After watching a genie on TV slap someone on both sides of the head, two children in England copied the stunt and suffered perforated eardrums. Other children, in different parts of the country, were also injured in what became known as "the slapping craze." (The Guardian, March 12, 1992) * * * After watching the film Natural Born Killers, which portrayed serial killers Mickey and Mallory on a rampage across America, Nathan Martinez, 17, shaved his head and began wearing tinted spectacles like Mickey (played by Woody Harrelson). Martinez then drove to Salt Lake City, Utah, and murdered his stepmother and 10-year-old half sister. (The New York Times, November 5, 1994)... A southern Georgia couple, Ronnie Beasley and Angela Crosby, watched the movie nineteen times, then embarked on a crime spree of carjacking, theft, kidnapping, and murder. Beasley also shaved his head like MickeyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s, and the two lovers used the names Mickey and Mallory in correspondence with each other after they were apprehended. Another couple, Ben Darras and Sarah Edmonson, reportedly watched the movie six times in one night. Setting off in SarahÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s car, they robbed and killed a cotton gin manager in Mississippi, then shot and paralyzed Patsy Byers, a convenience store clerk in Louisiana. (Robert Brent Toplin, Oliver StoneÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s USA: Film History and Controversy, 2000) * * * A man convicted of multiple murders in suburban Orange County, NY said he killed the first of his six victims in the manner heÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢d seen in Robocop. Referring to a character in Robocop II, Nathaniel White told WNBC: "I seen him cut somebodyÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s throat then take the knife and slit down the chest to the stomach and left the body in a certain position. With the first person I killed I did exactly what I saw in the movie." (Newsday, August 6, 1992) * * * After rugby stars Matthew Ridge and Marc Ellis were shown jumping off a waterfall in a television commercial in England, at least 14 people died trying to replicate the stunt. (The Dominion, December 30, 1997) * * * After the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King Jr., the number of threats against prominent government figures jumped more than fivefold. The number of homicides increases significantly after publicized prizefights "in which violence is rewarded" and drops significantly after publicized murder trials, death sentences, life sentences, and executions "in which violence is punished." Suicides increased after Marilyn MonroeÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s death, as they do after the media coverage of just about any suicide. (Leo Bogart, Commercial Culture, 1995, page 171) * * * Imitating a popular wrestling move, a 17-year-old boy threw a 3-year-old boy on the ground and then dropped down to elbow him in the midsection (The Fort World Star-Telegram, July 14, 2001). In Florida, 14-year-old Lionel Tate, imitating a wrestling hold he saw on TV, bear-hugged six-year-old Tiffany Eunick, lifted her, and dropped her on the floor, killing her. (Los Angeles Times, March 10, 2001) * * * After watching the film Braveheart, a Scottish teenager attacked an English schoolboy because of his accent. Paul Rennie copied his idol, William Wallace, by shouting the battle cry "Freedom!" as he and two other teens punched and kicked the 15-year-old boy in the head. (The Ottawa Citizen, August 20, 1997) * * * Leonardo DiCaprioÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s "king of the world" stunt in TitanicÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâin which he spreads his arms and appears to be flying from the front of the shipÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâled dozens of young men to risk their lives on cruise liners in a bid to imitate him. The rash of mimics prompted the United States Passenger VesselsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ Association to issue a "Titanic Alert" to its members, urging them to close off the bow areas of ships. The alert was no help for a Swedish woman, however, who was presumed drowned after falling from a ferry while attempting to copy the suicide attempt of Kate WinsletÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s character. (The Daily Telegraph, June 25, 1998) The effect of the film on cruise ships wasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t all bad. Industry sources say the filmÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâironically enoughÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâinspired more people to go on cruises. The increase in sales was particularly evident among twentysomethings. (The New York Times, March 29, 1998) * * * Two teenagers from Pennsylvania and another from Long Island suffered dire consequences after imitating a stunt from the movie The Program. Like the college football hero in the film, the teens tried to prove their mettle by lying down in the middle of a road at night. Unlike the filmÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s star, however, one was killed instantly, the other rendered in critical condition. According to the mother of the teens, other kids said that about 30 kids were playing the "game" a few miles up the road the same night. (The New York Times, October 19, 1993). * * * After the release of Stanley KubrickÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s film A Clockwork Orange in England, young men were seen marauding the streets dressed like the ultraviolent "droogs" in the film. A 16-year-old boy said to be "obsessed" with the movie was convicted and sentenced after he kicked a 60-year-old to death. Another 16-year-oldÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâdressed as the star of the film, in white overalls, a black bowler hat, and combat bootsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâsavagely beat a younger child. And a 17-year-old Dutch girl was raped while camping by a gang who chanted, "SinginÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ in the Rain." (Vincent LoBrutto, Stanley Kubrick: A Biography, 1996) * * * A 13-year-old poured gasoline on his feet and legs and lit himself on fire, imitating a stunt heÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢d seen on the appropriately titled MTV series Jackass. (Daily News, January 30, 2001) * * * After watching a television movie about a woman who burned her abusive husband to death, a man doused his estranged wife with gasoline and set her ablaze. The man, who was dressed for combat in fatigues with a mud-smeared face, told the police that the The Burning Bed, starring Farrah Fawcett, had inspired him to "scare" his wife. Meanwhile, in Quincy, MA, a husband angered by the movie beat his wife senseless, telling her he "wanted to get her before she got him." And in Chicago, a battered wife watched the showÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâshot her husband. On a perhaps slightly more positive note, battered-womenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s centers from Boston to Los Angeles were inundated with calls for help after the program aired. (The New York Times, October 10, 1984; Newsweek, October 22, 1984) * * * Following a Tonight Show episode in which host Johnny Carson was "hung" by professional stuntman Dar Robinson, Shirley and Nicholas DeFilippo found their son Nicky hanging from a noose in his bedroomÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâthe television still tuned to NBC. (Cynthia A. Cooper, Violence in Television: Congressional Inquiry, Public Criticism and Industry Response, 1996) * * * After Rob ReinerÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s 1986 film Stand by Me depicted hooligans leaning out of car windows to whack mailboxes with baseball bats, kids across the country followed suit, (Los Angeles Times, October 14, 1993) * * * So many kids hurt themselves playing Evel Knievel that members of Congress once pressured the networks to stop televising his stunts. An article in Pediatrics medical journal discussed the "Evel Knievel syndrome." (Frank Mankiewicz and Joel Swerdlow, Remote Control: Television and the Manipulation of American Life, 1978, page 53) * * * In the 1970s, an investigation by Senator Gaylord Nelson of Wisconsin found that millions of children turned to pill-popping in response to television commercials. NelsonÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s concern grew after his childrenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâa six-year-old and an eight-year-oldÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâasked him for sleeping pills. NelsonÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s work was bolstered by a compendium of articles on "Television and Human Behavior" issued by the Rand Corporation, which lists more than 20 studies showing a positive correlation between heavy viewing of television commercials and childrenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s use of over-the-counter drugs. In 1973 there were 4,275 cases of childrenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s aspirin poisoning (and even more vitamin poisoning) reported to the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare. (Remote Control, pages 240-41) * * * After watching Tom Selleck jet around in a red Ferrari on Magnum PI, Mel Spillman grew obsessed with the car and did everything he could to buy similar ones. In the late 1980s, Spillman embarked on a 15-year crime spree, looting the estates of 122 deceased residents in San Antonio, Texas, to pay for his Ferrari habit. By the time he was caught, Spillman had acquired six Ferraris and a $450,000 mansion, which he filled it with artwork based on FerrariÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s rearing-horse logo. (People, July 9, 2002) * * * Following the Los Angeles Police DepartmentÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s shootout with the Symbionese Liberation Army in 1974, ABC launched a program about a paramilitary-style police force, S.W.A.T [special Weapons and Tactics]. Subsequently, SWAT teamsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâarmed with submachine guns and other heavy gearÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâbegan proliferating in local jurisdictions across the country. In 1975, there were more than 500 SWAT units, many in affluent areas with scant violent crime. (Remote Control, 262) * * * When James Dean and Corey Allen played "chicken"ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâa game to see who can speed closest toward the edge of a cliff before jumping out of the carÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâdozens of teens went plummeting to their death trying to imitate that scene from 1955ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Rebel Without a Cause. Interestingly enough, when it first marketed Rebel Without a Cause, Warner Bros. anticipated the copycat incidents. To allay criticism and distance itself from any problems, the studio produced a clip of star James Dean urging kids to "Take it easy driving out there. The life you save might be mine." The clip was never used, however, because Mr. Dean was killed in his speeding Porsche shortly before the movie was released. (Boston Globe, October 20, 1993, The Wall Street Journal, July 21, 2001) * * * Circa 1987, after Beastie Boy Mike D started wearing a hood ornament around his neck, teenagers across the U.S. started stealing ornaments from cars, in imitation of the rap star. Though Mike D wore a Volkswagen symbol, kids seemed to prefer those of Mercedes and other luxury vehicles. (Washington Post, June 23, 1987) http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/i ... olence.cfm

Come on now...I don't really agree with the father's course of action but you're just being ridiculous now. He's trying to protect his daughter from what he can. At least that's honorable, doing what he believes in. I'm sorry but I get upset when people say that the media (movies, music, etc.) don't affect them. There are tons of articles and polls disproving that idea! :wall: If you're around cussing, you'll start to cuss. If you listen to music that tells you to go kill cops and murder is honorable, etc. then your chances of committing crimes goes up A LOT! I'm sorry, but I disagree here too. A 15 year old kid is NOT that much more mature than a 14 year old kid. That's like saying once a girl has her menstrual cycle, she is psychologically ready for sex. It's not just once you hit an age or a certain time in your life that you're READY for such things. Besides, the parents allowing a certain movie or (more popularly) having sex, then the parent is doing everything within their right to protect their child. It may not work but you can't control the world.

I honestly don't believe you can consider yourself a thinking being if you just take a previously built ideology and just apply it to your life, without any modifications or interpretation whatsoever. Just out of curiosity, but did mad ever call himself a nihilist or a cultural relativist? If he did, then he doesn't have a leg to stand on because you can't call yourself a nihilist unless you hold to all of their beliefs. That's like saying "I'm a Christian but I don't believe Jesus is the world's Savior." It makes no sense at all.

Since the OT crowd here is so smart and talented (which really is true), I was wondering what drummer you guys think is the best. As for me, I really enjoy listening to Brad Hargreaves but can't find any cool videos (that will play at least) of him. I also like Carter Beauford. Your thoughts? Oh, and be sure to post videos!

I'm pretty sure we've already talked about this so just read the previous pages. You can't prove without a doubt that God does NOT exist, so are we just stuck? Perhaps. But then again, you wouldn't believe if a man rose from the dead (according to Jesus Himself).

Pakistan is also the country that has helped us catch more terrorists than any other nation besides Israel (in the Middle East) on the War on Terror. If you go after anyone, go after the new-and-updated Axis of Evil: 1. Iran 2. North Korea 3. Syria Although North Korea has communist terrorists, not Islamic terrorists, so don't be confused by the word "terrorist." They're quite different.

OK, the news just in! Nadal gets upset by this no-namer lol. How great to sink his ratings. Honestly, he doesn't deserve number 2, but then again, no one else does. Blake is too new, Hewitt's good but not THAT good, Rod[bleep] is so undependable, and...well that's it. I don't know much about Ivan Ljubljic (sp). Anyway, just thought I'd let you know. Nadal's OUT OF HERE! (Poor Spaniards...)

1. Roger, of course. Even if he had to play in a wheelchair he'd make the games end with tripple 6-0 ;) 2. Blake 3. Hewitt 4. Rod[bleep] For the women: our own Justine Henin-Hardenne vs Mauresmo, obviously :) You actually think Blake's going to make number 2? Dang... Nadal's not out, is he? Maybe he is, but honestly I haven't looked yet. I'll check it out later.

Tennis, ping-pong, badminton...maybe I'll pick up racketball. Anyway, they're all pretty much racket sports (duh), but that's my specialty. To all you tennis fans out there: What line-up do you think the US Open will be? Here's mine: 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Rod[bleep] 4. Hewitt

How do you carry knives to school? Especially really sharp ones like that?

I'm just curious so please don't feel like I'm attacking you or anything. And this can pretty much go out to anybody who believes in a particular god. Once you come to the conclusion that God exists - Why do you choose your god? Why your religion? Why can't God exist without having a religion? If God existed, then it would probably make sense that He wants the world to know about Him. That's why so many competing religions claim to have His truth. As a Christian, I can see different aspects of the Truth in all religions. I think a large portion of it comes from which view you grew up as. But since no one advocates blind faith (hopefully), your research should have a powerful reason for which religion you choose. :)

There's only one problem I see with your view: It is completely ridiculous. I'm sorry, but Bush calling for a regime change isn't going to happen. If India called on the United States to have a regime change, do you think anyone would really care? Besides, India and us have a stable relationship. How about if Afghanistan called on the US to have a regime change. I mean, that's ridiculous. At least you agree the UN is worthless, but this could seriously erupt into World War III. The comparison to Hitler was interesting since they have similar idealogies, but there's a slight difference of power. Hitler HAD power whereas Iran has leverage. Big difference even though the outcome can remain the same. Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.

Yeah, you paraphrased it well, you believe in God, I don't. And out of that logic, our interpretations erupt. So we can't really argue about that, and I respect your opinion :) Because that is too broad of a category. When I say intelligence, I mean something that we can assign truth values to. If you classify a thought process the same way that we classify a tree growing, then a thought process can have no more truth value assigned to it than a tree growing. And we all know it is ridiculous to say "that tree is true", or "that pencil is false". Thus, if you classify thought in the same group as all other material processes, then why does thought get to have truth values assigned to it, and nothing else? Well, this is not really what I meant, you claim all chemical processes are identical whereas I think every kind of chemical process is unique. My stomach can't think, yet it is working due to input signals from my brain, so chemicals. That doesn't mean the process of digestion is the same as the process of thoughts. Nor is thinking the same as growing. BUT: the roots are the same; they're both chemical processes. You could compare it to a man running and an animal sleeping. Two activities from living creatures, but very different. What I think he's saying, Oy, is that you can't decide to trust your thoughts unless you have some reason for knowing they are trustworthy (i.e. they stem from a logical being made in the image of a logical God). Does that help? Maybe that's not even his point lol...just my view on it.

Being agnostic doesn't mean searching for proof, or lackthereof, of God's existence. It means accepting that you can't. Ah, but to come to the conclusion of agnosticism, you must have to have LOOKED for proof and come to the conclusion that you can't know. But if you have no proof to believe in something, why would you not be atheistic? And if there's a supernatural force out there that you don't know what it is, why would you not be a Hindu? You may not believe in all of Hinduism's teachings, but at least your beliefs are fairly similar. If not that, at least be New Age. But if you have proof for God (or at least for your conclusions), then why would you not find out what it is? :? (i.e. WHICH god you think it is).

You can say that if you want. Just know that both of our views are aligned with Scripture. Jesus said that His followers will have changed lives because of their changed natures. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! Ezekiel 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Maybe in your opinion they seemed more complete because they had religion in them. I call that having more, not being neccesarily complete though. And more isn't always a good thing. Now why would you say that? Let me just give you some Scripture to prove his point. Matthew 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Here Jesus says that you shall know his followers by their fruit. If this guy's friends had something he didn't, you can naturally assume (even proven by Scripture) that they had something he wanted. Their fruit was good, their fruit was a result of a changed life (hopefully through Christ). I agree with you on that one. So basically you're saying only Christians are going to go to a heaven if it exists? I mean there's tons of other religions, and tons of people without religions, all living completely moral and good lives, but since they don't believe in your perception of truth, they're not going to make it? People who don't believe aren't hiding from anything. They'd love to believe, they'd love for things to be that easy, they just can't for whatever reasons. Matthew 5: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. This verse proves that you have to be perfect to get into heaven. The Pharisees were, as you are well aware, the most holy and "following-the-letter-of-the-law" people in the entire land, let alone the entire world. If you have to be better than them, it is natural to assume you have to be perfect. If you're not perfect, then you have to have someone take the punishment of sin. Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus." Matthew 19: 13Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them. 14Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." 15When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there. Why would Jesus say make the example of those inheriting the kingdom of heaven little children if they couldn't understand it?

The Security Council IS the United Nations. It's called "Veto Power." Anyway, Iran has kicked out lots of nuclear testers from the UN. Anything that would do that could be corrupted or ignored. Besides, China and Russia are pro-Iran and won't do anything. Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike if this continues much further. Then if the Arab world goes crazy, the US will defend Israel. The last paragraph is what I think though so don't take me that seriously.

What if your view doesn't have the most reasonings and support? Are you supposed to believe "in yourself" even when you're clearly wrong?

The Iranian president has repeatedly said that he will not stop his nuclear technology. He blased Kofi Annan's request that he disarm, and since Russia and China are on his side (against the USA of course), the chances of him getting an embargo are extremely slim and far off into the future. But if he keeps at it, Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike which might be defended by the USA and, perhaps, Britain depending on who the prime minister is. Honestly, I think we should destroy it. They don't care what the international community thinks. That much is clear. Besides, incentives only work for so long. They'll want technology or money which will only further their cause. Pretty soon, after enough incentives, they won't even need them and then will forget anything you offer them. Pre-emptive strike, anyone?

Actually that is called Lamarckism ("what happens to the parent is inherited by the child"), which is different from evolution and wrong. Different skin colors happened because levels of a certain vitamin vary depending on the intensity of the sun in the place where you live. This condition of having too little/too much of the vitamins caused certain skin colors to become more advantageous (protection against skin cancer and other stuff). Natural selection happens and gradually everyone in the population has that skin color. I think it has to do with the skin color, but for the facial changes and different body builds, it might have to do with the food they eat, their culture and what they value as a society, etc. For instance, meat-eaters will have different teeth as compared to vegans over course of hundreds of years. I think... That's what I would argue for in the case of microevolution anyway.

Shows how much you know about the Euro. :roll: England didn't switch because they want control over their own banking system, and Denmark is another country that hasn't switched. And neither has most of Eastern Europe. I'm pretty ignorant on the subject of the eruo, so could you give me a source saying that England wanted to control their own banking system? Also, Eastern Europe hasn't switched because most of it is communist or barely getting over communism's effects.

This would imply Adam was not intended to live forever. Insane, i am getting from that verse that his immortality ended when he ate from the tree. And Piano, before you insult me, please show me your college degrees in theology. Find better ways to demean people you disagree with. I'm sorry, barihawk, please forgive me. That comment was really harsh, and it should've gone unsaid. It was 1am and I was pretty tired, so I'm sorry for saying that. It's not an excuse, but at least you know what I was feeling at the time. But for all those into theology, in a perfect utopia without sin and sin natures, why would one NOT live forever? It seems weird that you wouldn't but then again, the tree of eternal life doesn't make sense either. What do you make of it?