Evolution, exchange of facts.

[pianofrieak2]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

 

 

 

They teach it as science. That's what it is. You cannot teach religion in school because it is forbidden to force your views upon people. By teaching evolution, we are not teaching FACT, we are teaching science. If you don't like it, fail biology in protest. :roll:

 

 

 

You are assuming that evolution is science. Besides, by teaching religion in school, you are not forcing your views. It's like saying teaching the Civil War never happened is forcing your views. You're just presenting the views. True, your bias will bleed through but that is irrelevant and cannot be stopped.

 

 

 

And your comment of "if you don't like it, fail biology" is ridiculous. If you are an atheist taking a theology course as your required philosophy/theology course, then fail the course! That's rubbish.

 

 

 

Thirdly, if evolution and the fossil record actually coincide, then how come we don't have all kinds of odd-shaped animals (i.e. the majority of them). Because of mutations, we should have eyes on feet and arms coming out of the head but we don't. We have some strange looking animals, but a few of them is HARDLY proof for evolution. Actually, the fossil record REFUTES evolution.

 

 

 

Care to see Behe's argument for Irreducible Complexity?

[BlueLancer]

Is any body going to back up evolution or are they just going to let it die?

 

More proof againts evolution:

 

http://www.freewebtown.com/dug1243/

Termites eat wood, but they can't digest the cellulose by them self. So they actually have little critters inside their intestines that digest the cellulose for them. So if the termites cant live with out the critters, and the critters cant live with out the termites, which one evolved first? Both the termites and critters would need to be created at the same time.

 

Each year, water and winds erode about 25 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean. This material accumulates as loose sediment (i.e. mud) on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the mud in the whole ocean, including the continental shelves, is less than 400 meters. According to evolutionists, this has been going on for billions of years. If that were so, the rates above imply that the oceans would be massively choked with mud dozens of miles deep.

 

Lets just pretend for a minute that some cells did actually try to get together billions of years ago. If there was oxygen in the atmosphere, it would of simply oxidized and that would of been the end of it. To overcome this problem the evolutionist says that their was no oxygen on the earth billion of years ago. But even then the ammonia would have been killed by UV light from the sun and then the evolving thing would die. The o-zone layer blocks UV light but then you have oxygen on the earth. So something cant evolve to life with oxygen and something cant evolve to life with out oxygen. Oxygen remains have been found in some of the deepest rocks. Honestly, this fact alone disproves the whole theory of evolution.

 

 

 

There is so much information dis-prooving evolution it really is hopeless isn't it?

 

 

 

What kind of a source would you exactly call that?

 

 

 

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While we're on that track, let's start citing geocities pages, shall we... #-o Not.

 

 

 

Let's take a look at few of your sources:

 

 

 

http://www.remnantofgod.org/

 

 

 

Reliable research and news site? Let me pick one of the current headlines...

 

 

 

The land of Israel is in great turmoil. More so then ever before. Is this prophecied? Are the people of Israel the chosen people of God and therefore doing as the Christian God commands? Or, are we all watching the wrong Israel as Satan planned?

 

 

 

This one takes the prize :lol:

 

 

 

Check out these FLASH animations revealing the Antichrist, his home-base of operations on Earth, his desires on your soul, the identity of the [bleep] of Babylon, as well as the Mark of the Beast itself! You can no longer ignore such blunt facts as these!

 

 

 

You call this site an actual SOURCE compared to verifiable dictionaries, encyclopaedias, observing news agencies such as Reuters, etc.?

 

 

 

But the story does not end here friends. Let's take a look at another so called "source" (even though most people with a bit of brain already realized it's not worth posting here, so let me work doubly as hard on behalf of those people)...

 

 

 

http://www.mtblanco.com/

 

 

 

This site is quite contradictory to your agenda; It proves facts and photographs of dinosaur fossils, are you sure you wanted to list this one? Did you list sources just to get credibility? This site represents a museum...

 

 

 

http://www.reasons.org/

 

 

 

This site takes the piss too, all I can find there is a desperate guy's attempt to sell as many books and ad space as possible.

 

 

 

If you'd like to link me to a REAL reliable source on your list, I'd be happy to check it out.

 

 

 

XplsvBam, if you allow me to tell you the truth, you have been brainwashed by the so called "tinfoilhat media", i.e. a network of pseudoscientific and ultra-religious fanatical sites maintained by semi-loony characters on the internet.

 

 

 

P.S. No Bubsa I'm just checking out this place for a long time. Good to see you're enjoying your stay 8) With so many posts too.

[Anesthesia]

There was me thinking that pianofrieak2 was the biggest zealot that tipit had to offer.

[Guest XplsvBam]

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Thats great, a guy compiled alot of information kudos for him. At the bottom of the page...

 

 

 

Credits

Mike Ripley - Designer and Compiler of information on website



The Following are the sources / references for the information presented on this site.

The Evolution Cruncher, Chapter 4

Creation Evolution Enyclopedia

Evidence for Young Earth

Kent Hovind for the Creation Seminar and "Reasons Why Evolution is So Stupid!"

RemnantOfGod.org for some proof that evolution is wrong

Christian Answers for Young World Evidence

Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution for some creature info

Discover Creation for some Evidences for Creation

 

But the story does not end here friends. Let's take a look at another so called "source" (even though most people with a bit of brain already realized it's not worth posting here, so let me work doubly as hard on behalf of those people)...

 

 

 

http://www.mtblanco.com/

 

 

 

This site is quite contradictory to your agenda; It proves facts and photographs of dinosaur fossils, are you sure you wanted to list this one? Did you list sources just to get credibility? This site represents a museum...

 

What About Dinosaurs? (called 'dragons' in the bible)

 

It's a known fact that lizards never stop growing until they die. Back in the pre-flood days, their was a canopy of water or ice or vapor above the earth. It was a 7th layer of out atmosphere. This blocked out bad sun rays like UV, gamma and others. It also gave hyperbaric pressure and increased oxygen. The earths magnetic field was 15 to 19 times stronger (depending on the times, its half life is 1400 years). Due to this, people were able to live up to 900 years like said in the bible. If a lizard lived to be several hundred years old and never stopped growing, it would get pretty big. Dinosaurs where several hundred year old lizards living in the garden of Eden with Adam and eve. But they where vegetarians. Samples of plant stuff have been found in T-Rex's teeth. Blood has even been found in some T-Rex bones. Most of the dinosaurs died in the flood. Although Noah took some baby dinosaurs on the ark. Eventually, They were killed off by man cause you can get a lot of food from 1 dinosaur. The big change in the atmosphere also helped kill some.

 

I'm sorry you are sour that I have solid sources, but picking out random irrelevant tid bits like web hosts isn't going to help. People see the facts, they are going to believe or not believe irrelevant of your actions.

[wakka102]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

well, they were trying to get the THEORY of godly world creation taught in schools and thats abviously not true :roll: so they should teach the more logical one because its definitly more right.

 

 

 

I can see it now, talking about gods from heaven and the bible in biology class :lol:

[Guest XplsvBam]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

well, they were trying to get the THEORY of godly world creation taught in schools and thats abviously not true :roll: so they should teach the more logical one because its definitly more right.

 

 

 

I can see it now, talking about gods from heaven and the bible in biology class :lol:

Thats just great. Instead lets talk about how lizards evolved wings and became birds. How come evolution is only limited to our planet? Some mamals can hold their for extreme amounts of time. Why dosn't a whale grow wings and fly into space? Why arn't there space animals? I'm sure natural selection can find a way to get animals in space if they can evolve from a single cell into complex orginisms.

 

 

 

Topsoil.

 

59. The average depth of topsoil throughout the world is about eight inches. Allowing for losses due to erosion, it has been calculated that it requires 300 to 1000 years to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.

 

So I guess that kind of messes up the idea of evolution huh?

[Tigra00]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

 

 

 

They teach it as science. That's what it is. You cannot teach religion in school because it is forbidden to force your views upon people. By teaching evolution, we are not teaching FACT, we are teaching science. If you don't like it, fail biology in protest. :roll:

 

 

 

You are assuming that evolution is science. Besides, by teaching religion in school, you are not forcing your views. It's like saying teaching the Civil War never happened is forcing your views. You're just presenting the views. True, your bias will bleed through but that is irrelevant and cannot be stopped.

 

 

 

And your comment of "if you don't like it, fail biology" is ridiculous. If you are an atheist taking a theology course as your required philosophy/theology course, then fail the course! That's rubbish.

 

 

 

Thirdly, if evolution and the fossil record actually coincide, then how come we don't have all kinds of odd-shaped animals (i.e. the majority of them). Because of mutations, we should have eyes on feet and arms coming out of the head but we don't. We have some strange looking animals, but a few of them is HARDLY proof for evolution. Actually, the fossil record REFUTES evolution.

 

 

 

Care to see Behe's argument for Irreducible Complexity?

 

 

 

Finding a life form with eyes on it's feet and arms coming out of it's head would actually work more towards disproving evolution. How you see it as the other way around is beyond me. Almost every creature on this earth has two eyes, 4 extremities, sexual organs in the same general area, etc etc etc. I would love to know how, in your mind, that disproves evolution. If you can honestly make me understand that logic, I will convert to any religion you wish and spend my life in a monistary or something, because that crap just does NOT make sense.

 

 

 

As for the failing biology thing - It's true. If you don't like that they're not teaching YOUR beliefs, then fail in protest. Sure, it will do no good, but at least you'll have your peace of mind, right? Right.

 

 

 

Teaching religion in school is absolutely pushing your views on us. Religion is an extremist view, no matter what anyone says. They are views that people are converted into with absolutely no need for proof. Science is exactly the opposite...We are all born into it and they study, prove and disprove theories and try to find out how we came to be and how we work. Sure, evolution is a theory, but it isn't a bad one. Could it have flaws? Yep, sure. But could religion have even MORE? Yep, and everyone, even religious people, know that. You indirectly say it just by picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to follow. If you claim to follow the whole thing, then I hope you're going to stone your neighbor tomorrow if you find out she's adulterous.

 

 

 

Why is everyone even arguing with these people? They are RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS. You will NEVER WIN. They are brain-washed and will NEVER open their eyes to ANYTHING but what they've been told their whole life. We could difinatively prove evolution and disprove God on the same day and they'd still be like, "Well, the Bible says..."! They're not listening to you. At all.

[Tigra00]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

well, they were trying to get the THEORY of godly world creation taught in schools and thats abviously not true :roll: so they should teach the more logical one because its definitly more right.

 

 

 

I can see it now, talking about gods from heaven and the bible in biology class :lol:

Thats just great. Instead lets talk about how lizards evolved wings and became birds. How come evolution is only limited to our planet? Some mamals can hold their for extreme amounts of time. Why dosn't a whale grow wings and fly into space? Why arn't there space animals? I'm sure natural selection can find a way to get animals in space if they can evolve from a single cell into complex orginisms.

 

 

 

Topsoil.

 

59. The average depth of topsoil throughout the world is about eight inches. Allowing for losses due to erosion, it has been calculated that it requires 300 to 1000 years to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.

 

So I guess that kind of messes up the idea of evolution huh?

 

 

 

Now you're just being a moron on purpose, it seems. May I ask how old you are, and why you feel the need to be a spokesperson for your religion? I think they should find a new one, because you sound rediculous.

 

 

 

We, being all the creatures on the planet, every single one, is a carbon-based, oxygen-breathing life form. We need oxygen to survive. Why does a whale not grow wings and fly into space? Well, for one, their enviroment does not call for the need of wings, thus they've never evolved to develope them. Secondly, you can't fly into space, you dolt. Once you get so far into the atmosphere, your lungs would collapse and you would die from atmospheric pressure. Thirdly, there are no space creatures because, as carbon-based, oxygen-breathing life forms, WE NEED OXYGEN TO BREATHE. Guess what, genius? No Oxygen in space!

 

 

 

Put down the Bible, pick up a friggin' science book. At least some religious people have VALID arguments, not completely butt-spewed crap.

[ice_ring]

OMG, finally, i think this guy cursed his thread so my computer wouldn't load the reply screen...

 

 

 

Anyway...

 

 

 

First of all there is this:

 

Termites eat wood, but they can't digest the cellulose by them self. So they actually have little critters inside their intestines that digest the cellulose for them. So if the termites cant live with out the critters, and the critters cant live with out the termites, which one evolved first? Both the termites and critters would need to be created at the same time.

 

 

 

Explanation : There were termites that could digest cellulose and then there were those who couldn't. Some mutated in such a way that these bugs could enter their bodies. The mutated termites probably were able to eat more wood, and therefore caused the extinction of the other species. That's exactly how evolution works.

 

 

 

Most people who do not accept evolution are not thinking on a broad enough scale. People think that we evolved from a primate species in a matter of 100 years, while it actually happened in a much broader time. (not sure how long, but I'm not going to risk the factuality of my reply by using an approximate number.)

 

 

 

Also the strongest evidence disproving Creation is the following comparison:

 

 

 

Which is easier to believe, that a higher power that no one has any physical proof of, magically caused millions of plants, and millions of animals to magically appear only to then flood the world to get rid of them and make them again?

 

 

 

or

 

 

 

Evolution, which has PLENTY of physical evidence.

 

 

 

Your topic is called "Evolution, Exchange of Facts" , but yet...you state hardly any facts at all.

 

 

 

Reply to pianofreak:

 

Thirdly, if evolution and the fossil record actually coincide, then how come we don't have all kinds of odd-shaped animals (i.e. the majority of them). Because of mutations, we should have eyes on feet and arms coming out of the head but we don't. We have some strange looking animals, but a few of them is HARDLY proof for evolution. Actually, the fossil record REFUTES evolution.

 

 

 

 

You use the word mutation in its most extreme form (i.e. eyes on feet, arms out of head)

 

 

 

What about mutations in which a single extra mitochondrian is produced in evey cell in an organism's body?

 

 

 

The above example isn't based on anything, I am just trying to prove a point that some mutations are very small and not noticable at all on the an aesthetic level.

 

 

 

Also when you say that we should have animals with crazy mutations.

 

Why should we?

 

They would be highly disadvantaged and would die out quickly according to survival of the fittest, also they probably have happened in the past (in the billions of years that life has been forming).

[wakka102]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

well, they were trying to get the THEORY of godly world creation taught in schools and thats abviously not true :roll: so they should teach the more logical one because its definitly more right.

 

 

 

I can see it now, talking about gods from heaven and the bible in biology class :lol:

Thats just great. Instead lets talk about how lizards evolved wings and became birds. How come evolution is only limited to our planet? Some mamals can hold their for extreme amounts of time. Why dosn't a whale grow wings and fly into space? Why arn't there space animals? I'm sure natural selection can find a way to get animals in space if they can evolve from a single cell into complex orginisms.

 

 

 

Topsoil.

 

59. The average depth of topsoil throughout the world is about eight inches. Allowing for losses due to erosion, it has been calculated that it requires 300 to 1000 years to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.

 

So I guess that kind of messes up the idea of evolution huh?

Do you know how much power and shielding it requires to get something into space? It would take alot of attributes to be added onto an animal in order to get it into space. A Whale is too big to fly..It would be weighted down too much and there is no need for it to evolve into something like that as there is no benefit to a whale flying. How do you know there are no space animals? theyre could be in another galaxy. Space is infinitely big.

[ice_ring]

Thats just great. Instead lets talk about how lizards evolved wings and became birds. How come evolution is only limited to our planet? Some mamals can hold their for extreme amounts of time. Why dosn't a whale grow wings and fly into space? Why arn't there space animals? I'm sure natural selection can find a way to get animals in space if they can evolve from a single cell into complex orginisms.

 

 

 

You're example is stupid.

[insane]

There is an almost-exact topic already going on (So My Views...).

 

 

 

We may as well use that, since every religious discussion goes off on tangents like everyone's business, and it's bound to eventually (and already has).