Evolution, exchange of facts.

[Guest XplsvBam]

I request that this topic is not closed on the basis that people can learn something from it. I also request that if ANY off topic remarks are made that they are removed/cleaned as soon as possible so we can keep this as orginized as possible. I will contact a mod/admin if I see any clutter. Thanks.

 

 

 

The topic is evolution, I will be trying to back up my side with facts about evolution that make evolution not true.

 

 

 

Scientist agree that evolution is a THEORY that is very important.

 

Christians agree that The Bible is without flaw.

 

 

 

I am not trying to force my belief on anyone. I just don't want people putting there trust in evolution when hopefully I can give examples to show that it really isn't true. And if it really isn't true I feel that I have an obligation to tell people.

 

 

 

My side is clear when posting try to make your side clear also.

 

 

 

Ok.. let me get this straight. The Word of God says we were created with Human bodies that are designed to live forever. Science has recently proven that if we were to learn something new every second, we would take well over 3 millions years to exhaust the memory capacity of our "post flood" brains. (Pre-flood brains were 3 times larger) On the other hand... Evolutionists say things evolve after there is a need for change.

 

Question... How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over 3 millions years, when all we can live up to is 90 years?

 

 

 

This is not an arguement this is a discussion.

[caligula101]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

[Guest XplsvBam]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

[frogspoons]

Nobody can remember eveything in their life anyway...

 

 

 

I've read somewhere there was a guy who couldn't forget anything unless he imagined he'd wrote it down on paper then imagined he'd burnt it.

 

 

 

I don't really want to waste my time thinking about what really is true in the time I have now, I'd much rather just find out later.

[Guest XplsvBam]

Nobody can remember eveything in their life anyway...

 

 

 

I've read somewhere there was a guy who couldn't forget anything unless he imagined he'd wrote it down on paper then imagined he'd burnt it.

 

 

 

I don't really want to waste my time thinking about what really is true in the time I have now, I'd much rather just find out later.

The point is that our brains are to devopled to have evolved. Because evolution says things evolve after there is a need for change. We don't need all that extra brain space.

[Lateralus]

Almost everything that exists has redundant features. That's about all it comes down to.

 

 

 

That, and maybe we need the extra space for the capacity for change.

[malo2]

why is religion a part of this when it dosent hold a single fact or evidence? just a bunch of stories written by an unknown author. Theese religion vs. science threads are so pointless.

[Guest XplsvBam]

Almost everything that exists has redundant features. That's about all it comes down to.

 

 

 

That, and maybe we need the extra space for the capacity for change.

Evolutionist explain this by saying that everything redundant has been used. The problem is that evolution says we are moving foward in advances not backwards.

[Guest XplsvBam]

why is religion a part of this when it dosent hold a single fact or evidence? just a bunch of stories written by an unknown author. Theese religion vs. science threads are so pointless.

The thing is The Bible is fact.

 

 

 

The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8

Proof that the flood was real, confirmation that the Bible is fact.

[Anesthesia]

Christians agree that The Bible is without flaw.

 

 

 

No; they don't. Plenty of christians see the bible as a historical text and treat it as a reference as opposed to a complete guide on how to live.

[katha610]

alright, alright.

 

well, 97% of our DNA is junk, as of what we know right now. that is why it is called Junk-DNA. Scientists found out that this DNA is passed on from generation to generation. They also found 500 completly identical parts of Junk-DNA in mice, rats and humans, although these generas divided about 75 million years ago. The question is: Why didn't we get rid of it while evolution?

 

What is the purpose?

 

There are a lot of theories about that, but to get back on topic (even though I'm not quite sure what it is or where it is supposed to go)

 

 

 

 

I am not trying to force my belief on anyone. I just don't want people putting there trust in evolution when hopefully I can give examples to show that it really isn't true. And if it really isn't true I feel that I have an obligation to tell people.

 

 

hm, so you're trying to show us that evolution never happened and you have the obligation to tell everyone... to convince them to believe something else, something you believe is right.

 

 

 

 

 

Quote:

 

Question... How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over 3 millions years, when all we can live up to is 90 years?

 

 

Because we might be able to use our brain completely in a couple of centuries.... or more. and for now we are just able to live up to about 100 years. FOR NOW. we are getting older than our ancestors, thanks to a better nutrition, medicine, etc. and our offspings will get even older. sure there will be other problems resulting from that.

[katha610]

why is religion a part of this when it dosent hold a single fact or evidence? just a bunch of stories written by an unknown author. Theese religion vs. science threads are so pointless.

 

 

 

agreed! :thumbsup:

[Guest XplsvBam]

 

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Question... How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over 3 millions years, when all we can live up to is 90 years?

 

 

Because we might be able to use our brain completely in a couple of centuries.... or more. and for now we are just able to live up to about 100 years. FOR NOW. we are getting older than our ancestors, thanks to a better nutrition, medicine, etc. and our offspings will get even older. sure there will be other problems resulting from that.

It is proven that it can't be used in a couple of centuries. *points at orginal post*. Are you saying that natural selection is going to allow us to live for 3 million years?

 

Christians agree that The Bible is without flaw.

 

 

 

No; they don't. Plenty of christians see the bible as a historical text and treat it as a reference as opposed to a complete guide on how to live.

Plenty of scientists agree that evolution is rubish.

[Nanosauromo]

The thing is The Bible is fact.

 

 

 

Wait, WHAT!??!?! You're telling me a 2000 year old book full of stories is FACT? That's the lamest response to anything I've ever heard.

 

 

 

Random Guy: The Bible presents no evidence at all for its claims.

 

Christian: BUT ITS FACT LOL.

 

 

 

If that's the best you've got to retaliate with, I don't see why you get yourselves into these debates in the first place.

[katha610]

 

Quote:

 

Question... How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over 3 millions years, when all we can live up to is 90 years?

 

 

Because we might be able to use our brain completely in a couple of centuries.... or more. and for now we are just able to live up to about 100 years. FOR NOW. we are getting older than our ancestors, thanks to a better nutrition, medicine, etc. and our offspings will get even older. sure there will be other problems resulting from that.

It is proven that it can't be used in a couple of centuries. *points at orginal post*

 

 

 

 

you want me to put several million years? doesnt change anything. we will be able to use it to its fullest, just that none of us will experience it

[Guest XplsvBam]

 

Quote:

 

Question... How is it possible for us to have a brain that could hold enough info to last over 3 millions years, when all we can live up to is 90 years?

 

 

Because we might be able to use our brain completely in a couple of centuries.... or more. and for now we are just able to live up to about 100 years. FOR NOW. we are getting older than our ancestors, thanks to a better nutrition, medicine, etc. and our offspings will get even older. sure there will be other problems resulting from that.

It is proven that it can't be used in a couple of centuries. *points at orginal post* Are you saying that natural selection is going to allow us to live for 3 million years?

 

 

 

 

you want me to put several million years? doesnt change anything. we will be able to use it to its fullest, just that none of us will experience it

I added the orange. So along with our bodys that don't die we will have world peace, for that matter a world still? It is impossible for people to live for 3 million years for many reason, over-population being a big one.

[malo2]

why is religion a part of this when it dosent hold a single fact or evidence? just a bunch of stories written by an unknown author. Theese religion vs. science threads are so pointless.

The thing is The Bible is fact.

 

 

 

The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8

Proof that the flood was real, confirmation that the Bible is fact.

Ah yes a few scientists think that the flood may have been real automatically says the bible is fact. This thread has already gne to the dogs.

[Guest XplsvBam]

why is religion a part of this when it dosent hold a single fact or evidence? just a bunch of stories written by an unknown author. Theese religion vs. science threads are so pointless.

The thing is The Bible is fact.

 

 

 

The Biblical record clearly describes a global Flood during Noah's day. Additionally, there are hundreds of Flood traditions handed down through cultures all over the world. 5 M.E. Clark and Henry Voss have demonstrated the scientific validity of such a Flood providing the sedimentary layering we see on every continent. 6 Secular scholars report very rapid sedimentation and periods of great carbonate deposition in earth's sedimentary layers..7 It is now possible to prove the historical reality of the Biblical Flood.8

Proof that the flood was real, confirmation that the Bible is fact.

Ah yes a few scientists think that the flood may have been real automatically says the bible is fact.

Not a few scientist opinions but proven fact.

 

 

 

Why are you making me go back and repeat my self?

[malo2]

are you out of your mind? it cant be a complete fact just because a few scientists say so, do you have any idea how many scientists back the evolution or big bang theroy? alot more than the ones that dont. Yet its still only a theroy.

 

 

 

And how about you get a few scientists together and try and prove the entire bible right, or atleast 80% of it. Have fun with that.

[Guest XplsvBam]

are you out of your mind? it cant be a complete fact just because a few scientists say so, do you have any idea how many scientists back the evolution or big bang theroy? alot more than the ones that dont. Yet its still only a theroy.

 

 

 

And how about you get a few scientists together and try and prove the entire bible right, or atleast 80% of it. Have fun with that.

This will be the third time saying this. THEY CAN PROVE THE FLOOD HAPPEND CONFIRMING BIBILICAL FACTS.

 

 

 

Do you have any idea how many scientists back the evolution or big bang theorys?

Irrelevant.

 

 

 

And how about you get a few scientists together and try and prove the entire bible right, or atleast 80% of it. Have fun with that.

Proving all the events in the Bible would do no good for you. Either you choose to believe or you don't.

[BlueLancer]

The thing is the Bible is fact.

 

 

 

Christians agree that The Bible is without flaw.

 

 

 

This is not an arguement this is a discussion.

 

 

 

(Posts some random jesus site and calls it an undisputed source of fact) Proof that the flood was real, confirmation that the Bible is fact.

 

 

 

Too much provocation, can't really think of any other reason why you'd post this thread other than try to get kicks of it by frustrating as many people as possible. Your post is so full of misinformation and lack of research it's not worthy of discussing.

 

 

 

Plenty of scientists agree that evolution is rubish.

 

 

 

Why don't we go and hear the other side of the story then?

 

 

 

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe ... t_science/

 

 

 

VATICAN CITY -- A Vatican cardinal said yesterday that the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, and warned that religion risks turning into ''fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

 

 

 

''The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer," he added, ''just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice."

 

 

 

Either you're just trying to make yourself ridiculous or you should really back up your claims and sources.

 

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4731360.stm

 

 

 

Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is widely accepted by scientists

 

 

 

Yeah, there are also a plenty of people who still believe the Earth is round. What about the majority of them?

[Guest XplsvBam]

Either you're just trying to make yourself ridiculous or you should really back up your claims and sources.

I didn't cite my sources because no one is going to bother reading them.

 

 

 

5Blick, Edward, A Scientific Analysis of Genesis (Oklahoma City: Hearthstone, 1991) p. 103

6Clark, M.E. and Voss, H.D., "Fluid Mechanic Examination of the Tial Mechanism for Producing Mega-Sedimantary Layering" (Third International Conference on Creation, Pittsburg, July 1994)

7Ager, Derek, The Nature of the Stratigraphical Record (New York: John Wiley and Sons) p. 43 and p. 86

8West, John Anthony, Serpent in the Sky: The High Wisdom of Ancient Egypt (New York: Julian Press, 1987) pp. 13-14

 

 

 

But if you would have actually visited the site you wouldn't have had to waste your breath.

 

 

 

The reason I made this topic is because there is proof that evolution is false!

 

 

 

http://www.remnantofgod.org/creation.htm this site has about 10 good prooven facts that evolution is rubish.

 

http://www.freewebtown.com/dug1243/ This site has about 70 good facts againts evolution.

 

 

 

Sources.

 

 

 

http://www.homeschoolcentral.com/creation.htm

 

http://www.drdino.com/Ministry/index.jsp

 

http://www.mtblanco.com

 

http://www.creationevidence.or

 

http://www.creationscience.com

 

http://www.icr.org

 

http://www.reasons.org

 

http://www.rae.org/revevlnk.html

 

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about.asp

 

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Index.htm

 

http://www.creationism.org/arctur/index.htm

 

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm

 

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/8t5/8t5024.html

 

http://hauns.com/~DCQu4E5g/Creation.html

 

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... m/evol.htm

 

http://www.arn.org

 

http://Www.Creationism.Org

 

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/

 

http://www.pages.org/bcs/index.html

 

http://www.worldbydesign.org

 

http://www.kjvbible.org

 

http://www.hyahya.org/

 

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/01-evol1.htm

[Tigra00]

Why can't people just respect eachothers opinions? Why do we always have to argue about which is right, religion or darwin? Why does there have to be so many of these threads going about? :wall:

Because they teach evoltion as fact at alot of schools. And if it isn't true why should we be forced to learn it?

 

 

 

Please try to stay on topic.. :roll:

 

 

 

They teach it as science. That's what it is. You cannot teach religion in school because it is forbidden to force your views upon people. By teaching evolution, we are not teaching FACT, we are teaching science. If you don't like it, fail biology in protest. :roll:

[Guest XplsvBam]

Is any body going to back up evolution or are they just going to let it die?

 

More proof againts evolution:

 

http://www.freewebtown.com/dug1243/

Termites eat wood, but they can't digest the cellulose by them self. So they actually have little critters inside their intestines that digest the cellulose for them. So if the termites cant live with out the critters, and the critters cant live with out the termites, which one evolved first? Both the termites and critters would need to be created at the same time.

 

Each year, water and winds erode about 25 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean. This material accumulates as loose sediment (i.e. mud) on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the mud in the whole ocean, including the continental shelves, is less than 400 meters. According to evolutionists, this has been going on for billions of years. If that were so, the rates above imply that the oceans would be massively choked with mud dozens of miles deep.

 

Lets just pretend for a minute that some cells did actually try to get together billions of years ago. If there was oxygen in the atmosphere, it would of simply oxidized and that would of been the end of it. To overcome this problem the evolutionist says that their was no oxygen on the earth billion of years ago. But even then the ammonia would have been killed by UV light from the sun and then the evolving thing would die. The o-zone layer blocks UV light but then you have oxygen on the earth. So something cant evolve to life with oxygen and something cant evolve to life with out oxygen. Oxygen remains have been found in some of the deepest rocks. Honestly, this fact alone disproves the whole theory of evolution.

 

 

 

There is so much information dis-prooving evolution it really is hopeless isn't it?

[Bubsa]

The sight of people trying to be intelligent makes me chuckle :)

 

 

 

But wait a minute, BlueLancer's back! Are you back for awhile or just visiting?