drowcon Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 the pledge of allegence says in the last line "with liberty and justice for all." but why dont you tell that to the downtrotted people who roam the streets because of the "liberty and justice for all" think of the criminals who get away with rape,murder,stealing because of lack of evidence. "liberty and justice for all?" i dont think so. ive taken a stand against their "justice" by sitting during the pledge of allegence when they say "please stand" some think this tacky and tell me to stand. but it is the origanal fore fathers ( who would be dissapointed if they saw today's america) who give me protection from critisism because of 2 different ammendment. ammendment 1 "freedom of,speech,press,religion,an the right of people to peacefully assemble to petition the government for a regress of greivences" and ammendment 10 "the enumeration (listing) in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disbarge others retained by the people." If you agree or disagree with this, please say so, but if you agree. take a stand by sitting down. ~owd2~ Worst Update: Ditch of Stupidity"when the rich wage war, its the poor who die."pm me to sell green d hides, perm buyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 You sit during the pledge because the legal system isn't perfect? Heck, more cooky than sitting because you're offended by the word God i think.... Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 You could try something more useful to your effort, like calling your Senator or Congressmen. I would reccomend not blaming the Federal Government, who has no say in criminal laws. Why don't you try your State government which has all the power to prosecute criminals in your state. I mean, it's well within your Constitutional rights to sit during the pledge, but you are as we say: "Barking up the wrong tree." Recap: Criminal laws are a State matter, not a Federal one. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 I'm confused. So by sitting down during the pledge which claims "liberty and justice for all" - aren't you saying you don't support "liberty and justice for all?" It seems to me that if you wanted to fight for "liberty and justice for all" you would stand up during the pledge and scream that line as loud as you can. That's what I did in high school. I screamed the words "one nation, under God" at the top of my lungs so everyone knew I was fighting for that. I know people who sit down during the pledge because they don't like the words "under God" in the pledge. You sitting down might look like you're doing so because you don't like the words "for liberty and justice for all" in the pledge. Maybe you should try shouting the words "liberty and justice for all" in order to let everyone know that's what you're fighting for. It might be more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 When you say you sit down during the pledge - it's not going to do you any good. If I say you doing that I'd think you were against liberty and justice. Try a bit harder. Different approach, maybe? Or if you really care stop blaming the police and go find your own dang evidence before complaining. That might really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadfdfd Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 We are actually reading a fictional book about something with this in it. The book is called Stargirl by Jerry Spinelli. In the book, I believe Stargirl says the pledge like this I pledge alligence to the United Turtles of America and to the Fruit Bats of Borneo. One planet in the Milky Way. Incredible, with justice and black bean burritos for all Now I know that sounds quite childish, but it's in the book (about a conformed high school, with only 1 non-conformed student AKA Stargirl). Tis' a great book. I'm a guy and I'm throughly enjoying it. I'm a guy but I still like Romances :3> . I love it, it's a fantastic book. I would recommend it for Middle-High School. Although I'm sure an older elementary school student would enjoy it as well. I really underestimated this book, by the name of it :roll: , but it's fantastic. Pick it up, it's great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest V Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 who give me protection from critisism It doesn't protect you from being criticized... #-o It protects you from being persecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 think of the criminals who get away with *,murder,stealing because of lack of evidence. So you're implying that people should be locked up without evidence?Would that in itself not be a constraint on peoples liberty and against the whole ideal of justice. Last time I looked everyone had the right to be innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt (as is the case in most democratic societies). Personally I feel that sitting during the plede of allegiance is a pointless protest, you as an individual isnt going to be given a platform of any importance to air your grievances with the state of the legal system by protesting in this way. If you have a serious concern you should try raising it with a politician or joing some sort of organised protest group to make your point instead of making yourself seem like some one man crusade. Those methods in my opinion will be taken more seriously also. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp4de Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 the pledge of allegence says in the last line "with liberty and justice for all." but why dont you tell that to the downtrotted people who roam the streets because of the "liberty and justice for all" think of the criminals who get away with *,murder,stealing because of lack of evidence. "liberty and justice for all?" i dont think so. ive taken a stand against their "justice" by sitting during the pledge of allegence when they say "please stand" some think this tacky and tell me to stand. but it is the origanal fore fathers ( who would be dissapointed if they saw today's america) who give me protection from critisism because of 2 different ammendment. ammendment 1 "freedom of,speech,press,religion,an the right of people to peacefully assemble to petition the government for a regress of greivences" and ammendment 10 "the enumeration (listing) in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disbarge others retained by the people." If you agree or disagree with this, please say so, but if you agree. take a stand by sitting down. ~owd2~ Sitting down won't do anything is this world. If the forefathers were around, they probably wouldn't give a crap about your opinion. People like you is why I hate alot of people in America. Any little thing that is said seems to upset some people for the dumbest reasons. People need to learn to chill out and not take EVERY SINGLE THING IN THIS WORLD so seriously. ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâï(ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâú_o)/ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâï Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_Seismic_X Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 think of the criminals who get away with *,murder,stealing because of lack of evidence. ~owd2~ Any little thing that is said seems to upset some people for the dumbest reasons. People need to learn to chill out and not take EVERY SINGLE THING IN THIS WORLD so seriously. I don'tn live in America so I'm not sure I should give my opinion, but criminals getting away with murder like Spade says, is not really a 'little' think, you just don't seem to care. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Recap: Criminal laws are a State matter, not a Federal one. Lol :D I love this "recap", I think I might start doing that! For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Recap: Criminal laws are a State matter, not a Federal one. Lol :D I love this "recap", I think I might start doing that! I like to put flair in my arguments, and sometimes people go off on a tangent as a result. The recap let's them know what I was talking about. My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric6669 Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 the pledge of allegence says in the last line "with liberty and justice for all." but why dont you tell that to the downtrotted people who roam the streets because of the "liberty and justice for all" think of the criminals who get away with *,murder,stealing because of lack of evidence. "liberty and justice for all?" i dont think so. ive taken a stand against their "justice" by sitting during the pledge of allegence when they say "please stand" some think this tacky and tell me to stand. but it is the origanal fore fathers ( who would be dissapointed if they saw today's america) who give me protection from critisism because of 2 different ammendment. ammendment 1 "freedom of,speech,press,religion,an the right of people to peacefully assemble to petition the government for a regress of greivences" and ammendment 10 "the enumeration (listing) in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disbarge others retained by the people." If you agree or disagree with this, please say so, but if you agree. take a stand by sitting down. ~owd2~ Everyday at school i stay seated when the pledge is said, I don't care if i get in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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