"It's Just a Theory"

[thedepressedsquirrel]

A scientific law is a general characteristic of nature that has been proven.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A scientific theory is a specific concept in nature that has been proven.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A non-scientific theory is a guess or a hunch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gravity is a law because it is a general characteristic of nature.

 

 

 

Evolution is a theory because it is a more specific concept in nature.

 

 

 

Both of them are proven. A theory is not weaker than a law.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I have a theory that religious fanatics don't know that the word theory has two different meanings because they lack the brain capacity to understand elementary school science" would be an non-scientific theory used in conversation. Thus, it would be considered unproven (yet)

[rocketman089]

All the philisophical/god/etc topics are absolutely no fun here, it all comes down to an extremely rectal word game. Its old and disgusting.

[Viktorkrum77]

All the philisophical/god/etc topics are absolutely no fun here, it all comes down to an extremely rectal word game. Its old and disgusting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I beg to differ. I really enjoy how we can have educated 'religious' discussions on here without resorting to flaming.

[rocketman089]

 

All the philisophical/god/etc topics are absolutely no fun here, it all comes down to an extremely rectal word game. Its old and disgusting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I beg to differ. I really enjoy how we can have educated 'religious' discussions on here without resorting to flaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well yeah me too, it's just it gets old when people argue over whether absolute means this or that or whether theyre using Merrian-Webster's definition of theory. A lot of arguements turn into being picky about the words, not discussing the topic at hand. At least thats what comes to MY mind. Better than flaming though :P

[pompey_spud]

well they havent been PROVEN and probably never will. Theres just a large chance these theories are correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway ur statement is false. fanatics dont lack the brain capacity to take in other ideas, they just dont want to.

[KCHughes]

well they havent been PROVEN and probably never will. Theres just a large chance these theories are correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway ur statement is false. fanatics dont lack the brain capacity to take in other ideas, they just dont want to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think they necessarily don't want to understand, but they have such a hideously black-white view of the world that they think the very large and obvious gray area between the issues doesn't exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And thanks for using my favorite quote in your sig.

[bull912000]

The one thing to avoid in my view is [going to extremes of either side and not even concidering other theorys or ideas]. I always try to approach anything involving religion or science without bias.

[Viktorkrum77]

The one thing to avoid in my view is going to extremes of either side and not even concidering other theorys or ideas. I always try to approach anything involving religion or science without bias.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Cough*Fundamentalism*Cough*

[crimsonking]

I think I'll post this on here since it partially applies to this thread too...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is no god, who created us? And if there is, who created him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not religous or have any true beliefs on the matter, I'm agnostic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God was created from our need to have a solution to our existance, is his existance a lie? Not neccisarily, we need a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but our creator would need a creator too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The circular theory where god goes back in time and creates himself is good, but flawed, there would have had to be something that started this chain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God created himself? Self creation isn't possible no matter what way you put it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't exist, the universe and the world we live in are creations of our bodyless minds, that might be true, but our minds still exist, meaning they would still have to have been created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway you put it, its all impossible, meaning all that exists shouldn't, we are an impossibility, when you think about it, science and reason is wrong, everything we believe and will ever believe in is wrong, absolutly anything is possible yet everything is impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that clears things up for everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any questions? :

[bull912000]

:| No, I am actualy not a fundamentalist. I do not believe that every single word in the bible is true. In fact, after research, I believe that many parts of the Bible could have been altered by the author due to personal feelings and preferances. It doesn't mean that the bible should be completely thrown out though.

[Viktorkrum77]

:| No, I am actualy not a fundamentalist. I do not believe that every single word in the bible is true. In fact, after research, I believe that many parts of the Bible could have been altered by the author due to personal feelings and preferances. It doesn't mean that the bible should be completely thrown out though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never called you one. I just felt like pointing out the obvious to your post.

[bull912000]

Oh, sorry. Miss-read your post.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

didn't want to name name's exactly.

[BlueLancer]

I dare to say a person who isn't tolerant towards people different than himself and doesn't listen to alternate ideas with an open, neutral mind will never achieve full understanding of life and spirituality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, discarding all sources of bias and hatred is the best way to go. I don't understand the problem of choosing to do this. Looking down upon certain people who have done nothing criminal nor ever insulted you, is to me a clear sign that person is ignorant and not really as intelligent as he/she thinks of himself. To my mind springs the irrational hatred of gay people, disabled people, people of ethnic minorities. Hating them can have no factual basis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God created himself? Self creation isn't possible no matter what way you put it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm an agnostic too, and I think it may be at least possible. Now, if you think about it hard enough, 'something' can't be born out of "nothing". But infinity is such a hard concept to grasp. The following is a great example:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Imagine you have a bookshelf with 3 kinds of books: Red, blue and yellow. They go on infinitely. Now, if you take out all the blue books, there is still an infinite amount of books left in the bookshelf

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Infinity in our world though is an impossibility. There isn't an infinite abudance of anything, but maybe in the space, the possibilities are endless.

[crimsonking]

Thats what I'm saying, anything is possible, yet put reasonably its impossible.

[Viktorkrum77]

Thats what I'm saying, anything is possible, yet put reasonably its impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but not everything is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, as BlueLancer said, there is no such thing as infinity. And I doubt even in space there is, everything has to have a begining and end, even, and especially, time.

[crimsonking]

Put reasonably, yes, you couldn't be more right, yet when you think about it, no existance can be answered by reason, this simple, yet complicated answer to our existance and everything elses rips all reason apart, reason and science is just a lie made to answer all of our questions, just like, put reasonably, religion is.

[Lionheart_0]

 

Thats what I'm saying, anything is possible, yet put reasonably its impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but not everything is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, as BlueLancer said, there is no such thing as infinity. And I doubt even in space there is, everything has to have a begining and end, even, and especially, time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I used to think like you. I always said there was no such thing as infinity because something like time you cant be shown a starting or an ending of time (of all time, not just ones time life.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in reality, time is infinit. How could of there been a beginning if it had to begin. Define time? Time as we know it is just the measure of instances of passing us. If time was not constant, how was there a biginning? Assuming the big bang theory is true, how could of the two atoms (or what ever molecules they were) come together if there was not time before it? Nothing would happen, everything woudl just be there, but no instances could flow, meaning that the bang could never happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example. If i draw a few slides of the big bang. Lets say on one i have a picture of the biggining, then some leadding up to the meeting of the two particles, then more for what happens after. Now if time didnt start untill the particles came together, how could they come together. there is not time to move the two particles together. Which menas either time is a constant, or time started before then, but we will never know. This also leads me to say anything is possible. Just because we base our world on certain laws, dosent mean it isnt possible that those laws are diffrent elsewhere, or perhaps at another time :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, Gravity is a scientific-theory. You can show me a object falling, and thats all i see. How can you prove gravity?

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in reality, time is infinit. How could of there been a beginning if it had to begin. Define time? Time as we know it is just the measure of instances of passing us. If time was not constant, how was there a biginning?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're right about the time part. Time can only be linear for periods of time *we* specify. In reality, even if the Earth has existed for 4.5 billion years, time has existed infinitely before that. Which makes my head ache, because it would be interesting to see the first atom form out of nothing, and everything before that was just absolute blackness, for billions and billions of years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The world shouldn't exist by logic, because we are bound by the laws of nature. However, there must be a starting point when the first atoms started forming into objects, dust, rocks etc. to form the big bang.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is also logically impossible those atoms formed out of nothingness, because the law of conservation clearly states matter as energy can be transformed, but it can never create excess energy surpassing it's own capacity. Which in my opinion leaves the option of a supernatural being at least "open" if not proven.

[Lionheart_0]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is also logically impossible those atoms formed out of nothingness, because the law of conservation clearly states matter as energy can be transformed, but it can never create excess energy surpassing it's own capacity. Which in my opinion leaves the option of a supernatural being at least "open" if not proven.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or that is "just happend" For no reason. which would mean anything is possible.

[cyco]

I think I'll post this on here since it partially applies to this thread too...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is no god, who created us? And if there is, who created him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not religous or have any true beliefs on the matter, I'm agnostic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God was created from our need to have a solution to our existance, is his existance a lie? Not neccisarily, we need a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but our creator would need a creator too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The circular theory where god goes back in time and creates himself is good, but flawed, there would have had to be something that started this chain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God created himself? Self creation isn't possible no matter what way you put it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't exist, the universe and the world we live in are creations of our bodyless minds, that might be true, but our minds still exist, meaning they would still have to have been created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway you put it, its all impossible, meaning all that exists shouldn't, we are an impossibility, when you think about it, science and reason is wrong, everything we believe and will ever believe in is wrong, absolutly anything is possible yet everything is impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that clears things up for everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any questions? :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That just wouldn't work because god would have to be there to go back into time and create himself. How is that possible if he never existed before he went back in time. Its impossible.

[Guest GhostRanger]

All the philisophical/god/etc topics are absolutely no fun here, it all comes down to an extremely rectal word game. Its old and disgusting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I *think* it was Bertrand Russel (could have been a different philosopher) who said that all modern philosophy is nothing more than a game of linguistics.

[crimsonking]

 

I think I'll post this on here since it partially applies to this thread too...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is no god, who created us? And if there is, who created him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not religous or have any true beliefs on the matter, I'm agnostic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God was created from our need to have a solution to our existance, is his existance a lie? Not neccisarily, we need a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but our creator would need a creator too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The circular theory where god goes back in time and creates himself is good, but flawed, there would have had to be something that started this chain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God created himself? Self creation isn't possible no matter what way you put it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't exist, the universe and the world we live in are creations of our bodyless minds, that might be true, but our minds still exist, meaning they would still have to have been created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway you put it, its all impossible, meaning all that exists shouldn't, we are an impossibility, when you think about it, science and reason is wrong, everything we believe and will ever believe in is wrong, absolutly anything is possible yet everything is impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that clears things up for everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any questions? :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That just wouldn't work because god would have to be there to go back into time and create himself. How is that possible if he never existed before he went back in time. Its impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly my point. Reasonably that couldn't have happened, and every other way of explaining our existance is just as flawed, so we must think illogically to come up with the true answer of what created us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm glad I have sparked a thoughtful conversation for once instead of the same old arguements that have been fought on these forums for years now. :

[cyco]

 

 

I think I'll post this on here since it partially applies to this thread too...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there is no god, who created us? And if there is, who created him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not religous or have any true beliefs on the matter, I'm agnostic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God was created from our need to have a solution to our existance, is his existance a lie? Not neccisarily, we need a creator, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but our creator would need a creator too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The circular theory where god goes back in time and creates himself is good, but flawed, there would have had to be something that started this chain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God created himself? Self creation isn't possible no matter what way you put it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't exist, the universe and the world we live in are creations of our bodyless minds, that might be true, but our minds still exist, meaning they would still have to have been created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway you put it, its all impossible, meaning all that exists shouldn't, we are an impossibility, when you think about it, science and reason is wrong, everything we believe and will ever believe in is wrong, absolutly anything is possible yet everything is impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that clears things up for everybody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any questions? :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That just wouldn't work because god would have to be there to go back into time and create himself. How is that possible if he never existed before he went back in time. Its impossible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly my point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm glad I have sparked a thoughtful conversation for once instead of the same old arguements that have been fought on these forums for years now. :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I posted on the other topic as well. A more clear explanation hopefully.

[crimsonking]

Sorry I wasn't more clear, I edited my post to hopefully be a little more understandable so you may want to re read it.

[cyco]

Sorry I wasn't more clear, I edited my post to hopefully be a little more understandable so you may want to re read it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I meant to say I hope my other explanation is more clear.