American Birthright Citizenship

[Auberean]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically, anyone born on United States soil immmediately becomes a citizen, regardless of almost any other circumstances. This Amendment was passed shortly after the Civil War, mostly as protection for all of the African-Americans that had recently been released from bondage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

More than a century later, the creation of an Ammendment to protect recently-released slaves hardly seems to have any relevance in contemporary American society. However, it's still called upon, and called upon often. But by who?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Illegal Immigrants. By entering America illegally, and having a child (be it five minutes later or five years later), that child automatically becomes a citizen. The Government does not deport the child, and instead, allows it and any members of it's family (legal or not) to remain in America, while receiving welfare benefits. These children are sometimes refered to as Anchor Babies, because they anchor entire families of illegal immigrants to America. Non tax-paying immigrants that collect social services. It is estimated that nearly 200,000 of these types of children are born in America each year, bringing along families that most often only attribute to states' debts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most all other major countries have revoked their policies of Birthright Citizenship. Do you think our policy is out of date? Why or why not? Feel free to bring any new information to the table, that's just my opinion.

[deloriagod]

Is the policy out of date? Yes. The aliens sneak into our country illegally, have a child, then are allowed to stay here and are given money! All of my living family (and many that are no longer living) were all born here in the US but we don't get free money from the government. I don't mind if they stay in the country, but why should we give them money!? They broke the law to get here, don't give the criminals money! Gah, makes me angry..

[Auberean]

This issue isn't entirely one-sided (people have been failing to repeal it for over a decade), so I'd be interested to see some of the other sides of the argument.

[ThurinEthir]

My parents and I are not American citizens. My sister is. So I have a pretty good experience with this. Except my family didn't enter the USA illegally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's illegal, yes, they shouldn't be considered American citizens, and actually should be kicked out of the country.

 

 

 

If not illegal, then no, it's fine. I'm guessing Americans would like it if there were more legal American citizens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I would rather see is "BOTH parents must be American citizens. If not, the child born in America becomes an American when the parents do."

[thedepressedsquirrel]

Is the policy out of date? Yes. The aliens sneak into our country illegally, have a child, then are allowed to stay here and are given money! All of my living family (and many that are no longer living) were all born here in the US but we don't get free money from the government. I don't mind if they stay in the country, but why should we give them money!? They broke the law to get here, don't give the criminals money! Gah, makes me angry..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome to go get money if you can prove your financial status.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Government does not deport the child, and instead, allows it and any members of it's family (legal or not) to remain in America, while receiving welfare benefits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe immigrants, you know, come here to work and build up their savings so that their children can have normal lives? Living on welfare isn't as fun as you two think it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Amendment was passed shortly after the Civil War, mostly as protection for all of the African-Americans that had recently been released from bondage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 14th amendment is based on english common law. If it was only intended for blacks, it would have had the words "African-Americans."

[indy500fan]

Well, I think the whole redistribution of wealth by the government thing is screwed up, I don't think anyone should be getting welfare, "illegal alien" or not. I also find nationalism to be pretty stupid, a person is a person no matter where they are born.

[deloriagod]

 

Is the policy out of date? Yes. The aliens sneak into our country illegally, have a child, then are allowed to stay here and are given money! All of my living family (and many that are no longer living) were all born here in the US but we don't get free money from the government. I don't mind if they stay in the country, but why should we give them money!? They broke the law to get here, don't give the criminals money! Gah, makes me angry..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome to go get money if you can prove your financial status.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills. I just don't think it's right to give illegal aliens money because they came to our country and had a child. The US owes so much money to other countries, why the hell are we giving it to illegal aliens!?

[Auberean]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Amendment was passed shortly after the Civil War, mostly as protection for all of the African-Americans that had recently been released from bondage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 14th amendment is based on english common law. If it was only intended for blacks, it would have had the words "African-Americans."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.

[rocketman089]

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a little more than well-off. Like a little way more

[Auberean]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Government does not deport the child, and instead, allows it and any members of it's family (legal or not) to remain in America, while receiving welfare benefits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe immigrants, you know, come here to work and build up their savings so that their children can have normal lives? Living on welfare isn't as fun as you two think it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point there was that the illegal immigrants collect benefits without paying taxes.

[deloriagod]

 

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a little more than well-off. Like a little way more

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right, I don't need the money. But why should we give it to illegal aliens? Our public schools could use more funding..

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills. I just don't think it's right to give illegal aliens money because they came to our country and had a child. The US owes so much money to other countries, why the hell are we giving it to illegal aliens!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's very considerate of you to worry about other countries not getting their money back from us. However, most illegal aliens are not on welfare, they are on "payments from jobs they hold." Why do you associate welfare with illegal aliens, who would have to obtain various fake documents and gain extensive knowledge of the welfare system, rather than legal citizens, who can just walk in and receive money?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange.

[Auberean]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've lost me. Elaborate?

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've lost me. Elaborate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The supreme court has always seen this law as being applicable to all races, not just blacks.

[timmay929]

I think they should somehow take out this amendment so that they are not american citizens until they get their green card or whatever its called, no matter where they are born. If you go to a 7-11 by my house in the morning, there is 15+ mexican people waiting for work. I bet if you ask any one of them if they are citizens they will either:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Not be a citizen themselves, but has a kid that does

 

 

 

2) Wont understand you because they cant speak english

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of them ride bikes because none of them are able to get a license. They take advantage of the system and it affects people that actually work for their money on the books.

[rocketman089]

 

 

 

The supreme court has always seen this law as being applicable to all races, not just blacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats not his point!! Yes, it applies to all races, hes just saying when it came about that it was meant for blacks. Kinda like contemporary immigration laws are usually made around Asian and latin american immigrants, but it applies to people from canada and france too.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

I think they should somehow take out this amendment so that they are not american citizens until they get their green card or whatever its called, no matter where they are born. If you go to a 7-11 by my house in the morning, there is 15+ mexican people waiting for work. I bet if you ask any one of them if they are citizens they will either:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Not be a citizen themselves, but has a kid that does

 

 

 

2) Wont understand you because they cant speak english

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of them ride bikes because none of them are able to get a license. They take advantage of the system and it affects people that actually work for their money on the books.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How are they taking advantage of the system? They're working. It seems to me that you dislike them because...well...gosh, those beaners can't speak American right and they have little beaner kids. Horrible.

[Auberean]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that was it's basic intention though, I think it was supposed to be a constitutional affirmation of the (reversal) of the Dred Scott case.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet the supreme court does not agree with your belief. How strange.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've lost me. Elaborate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The supreme court has always seen this law as being applicable to all races, not just blacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, of course. I was just stating that African-Americans were one of the main reasons the Amendment was brought up at that time. The whole Citizenship issue was already delt with in the Civil Rights Act of 1866.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

 

 

Thats not his point!! Yes, it applies to all races, hes just saying when it came about that it was meant for blacks. Kinda like contemporary immigration laws are usually made around Asian and latin american immigrants, but it applies to people from canada and france too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like how Brown v Board of Education was only meant for Brown?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Roe v. Wade was only meant for Roe?

[rocketman089]

 

 

 

 

Thats not his point!! Yes, it applies to all races, hes just saying when it came about that it was meant for blacks. Kinda like contemporary immigration laws are usually made around Asian and latin american immigrants, but it applies to people from canada and france too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like how Brown v Board of Education was only meant for Brown?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Roe v. Wade was only meant for Roe?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YES!! Brown was meant for blacks wanting to goto school with whites, Roe was made for women wanting to abort. But its meant for everybody!!! Sorry for exclamation points :)

[BlueLancer]

 

 

Is the policy out of date? Yes. The aliens sneak into our country illegally, have a child, then are allowed to stay here and are given money! All of my living family (and many that are no longer living) were all born here in the US but we don't get free money from the government. I don't mind if they stay in the country, but why should we give them money!? They broke the law to get here, don't give the criminals money! Gah, makes me angry..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome to go get money if you can prove your financial status.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills. I just don't think it's right to give illegal aliens money because they came to our country and had a child. The US owes so much money to other countries, why the hell are we giving it to illegal aliens!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If your family really makes over $200k a year, you belong in the minority of below 1% of the world citizens, also in the minority of americans (and most people will never even come close to that standard of living, I don't get it why you'd cut yourself and waste such a life. Think if you were born in a different family.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You won the 'birth lottery' of life, instead of being born in a poor village with no water and mud huts, you already as a child live in something most people cannot even dream about in the world)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is probably difficult to understand, but those people don't "enjoy" living off welfare. They need it so they can buy food and shelter, medicines, clothes, etc. for their children.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are most likely aiming to make that much money like every other person who comes in the country. Nobody enters america to just freeload.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everybody has a goal of making more money and not being dependent on the system. Don't you think it's an embarrasment for their families? They do want to be independent.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I can prove I don't need the money. My family is fairly well off though we need to make at least $20,000 a month to pay our bills.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I just noticed that. Your family makes "at least" $240,000 a year and you're complaining?

[deloriagod]

Yes, my family pays at least $240,000 a year in bills. My parents' business brings in ~$300,000 a year. I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining that the government is giving money to illegal aliens. Why not start giving money to murderers? Our country owes billions to other countries, our public schools need more funding, and we're giving money to illegal aliens. If they came here legally, I wouldn't have any problems with them getting welfare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Blue: Money can't buy happiness, that I know from experience. My family wasn't always like this. When I was young we lived off of less than $45,000 a year. My parents starter their own business ~7 years ago and have worked to get it to where it is. Now can we please stay on topic instead of talking about my family's financial standing?

[BlueLancer]

I'm complaining that the government is giving money to illegal aliens. Why not start giving money to murderers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..Are you really comparing "illegal" aliens to murderers? You probably have no idea under which circumstances they've come in the country, nice comparison. Let's compare the bank robber and the 8 year old candy stealer, after all, both are equally bad because it was "illegal"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our country owes trillions to other countries, our public schools need more funding, and we're giving money to illegal aliens. If they came here legally, I wouldn't have any problems with them getting welfare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they're illegal or not, they're still human beings that need to live. And you really think the american government can get away with starving them to death, potential work force who probably already have a job, and say "they were illegal and deserved it"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now can we please stay on topic instead of talking about my family's financial standing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's relevant though. Your family makes over 20 times more than the average mexican worker, and those who enter america are often even poorer than that (less than $10k a year).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe walking a mile or three in their shoes, a family of 4 that cannot earn enough in Mexico to feed the family and legal immigration in the states takes years, would probably do it 'illegally' than have their family die of hunger.

[thedepressedsquirrel]

Yes, my family pays at least $240,000 a year in bills. My parents' business brings in ~$300,000 a year. I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining that the government is giving money to illegal aliens. Why not start giving money to murderers? Our country owes billions to other countries, our public schools need more funding, and we're giving money to illegal aliens. If they came here legally, I wouldn't have any problems with them getting welfare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Blue: Money can't buy happiness, that I know from experience. My family wasn't always like this. When I was young we lived off of less than $45,000 a year. My parents starter their own business ~7 years ago and have worked to get it to where it is. Now can we please stay on topic instead of talking about my family's financial standing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read his post, you will see that he mentioned your family in order to compare it to that of an impoverished mexican's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You step off the water onto Finland. You wring your clothes dry and start walking. Do you try to find a job or go to the welfare office?