Borei

Clan name: Dark Dominion, The Clan website: http://madshadow.clicdev.com Clan leaders: mAdshadow (Madshadow666 in RS) F2p clan cape: Standard Black Cape P2p clan cape: Team 46 Cape Number of Members: 3 (it's a new clan) Average hitpoint and combat level: Not Sure ATM... Type of clan (skill or pk): Overall (as in both) Recent War Record(3): N/A

Updated to add in new point/response. Edited to include a possible solution to hopefully make the Development Team a bit less hesitant in going along with this.

Confucius Say: Too much editing without bumping bad for health. (OK, he didn't really say that. So sue me. :P ) Aside from the initial development costs, there should be little to no financial implications in this. (Yeah, you heard me.) After being fully implemented and everyone given time to adjust to the change, the only thing that would really change on Jagex Customer Support's side (as far as what they have to do) is that when they review a report one of two things happens. Either they have to rate the individual report on a scale they determine for themselves (after which it's averaged into the overall reports rating of the player that sent it), or it's programmed so that after a decision is made on the report a +1/-1 type deal is applied to your rating automatically. I personally prefer the first one, but I can live with the second.

Thank you for your input. Please see the Concerns and Responses section (bottom of it) for my response.

I've added a Concerns and Responses section to the end of my first post. Please post any additions for it, or suggestions regarding legibility, you may have here. If posting a suggestion regarding legibility, please remember that when I do put this on the Official Forums that it will be a simple copy and paste job, and that the Official Forums don't support things like font colours. Thank you.

Good point. You (or anyone else) have any workable suggestions on that? Player Moderators would continue to be held to the same standard as they are now. Normal Players would as well. Also, there would be no "list". Just a rating you see when you log on and in a "Report Center" (kind of a Message Center of sorts). Player Moderators wouldn't really have much to be concerned about. This is simply for the fact that a player has to prove him/herself to become a mod in the first place. The only way you'd have anything to worry about is if you do something to lose "Moderator Status". Again, no actual list, so not really an issue. The rating system would be mandatory, simply because people that purposely abuse the report button could simply opt out and abuse away. Of course, with something like this it would have to be implemented into Tutorial Island. A (relatively) quick, hands-on in-game tutorial to get new players off on the right foot when it comes to reporting abuse. About as much chance of absolutely anything else in RuneScape causing the same effect. I may not agree with it, but that's just the mentality a huge portion of RSers have towards Player Moderators. For you and the other Player Moderators, it would likely serve as yet another PM Spam topic that tends to further fuel why most Player Moderators tend to keep Private Chat on friends. As well, I'm betting you would get a fair deal of questions in Public Chat, too; though that would undoubtedly die down after people got adjusted to the change. I'm actually thankful for this approach of yours. It wasn't completely agreeing, but the way you present your criticism brings up some good points as well as giving me something to work with. At current I still see no need to change anything based on this; however, your post does point out that some aspects need to be better defined/explained. In all fairness, though, I see now that perhaps a couple of the previous posts have done the same (even if to a smaller and less noticeable extent). Perhaps I should tack on a section to the end with all the points that have been brought up and addressed. Anyways, any further feedback based on this new information would be appreciated. BTW, I'll do that tacking on a bit later. I'm a tad tired right now and need my sleep, lest I put something a might too stupid. :P

They probably were, and you could've reported them for what they say they reported you for. i'm sorry if his parents really did die in a car accident, but why would he use that as an excuse to get free items in runescape? didn't he inherit enough irl? I have to agree. I'm willing to bet that's a scam. In fact, varying versions of that scam have been around longer than Jagex/RuneScape. May have seemed "noobish" to you, but I say he was just messin' with ya. I have a few friends that would say something like that just foolin' around. In fact, don't be surprised if you see me say something like that from time to time...to get a chuckle or two out of the confusion I cause if nothing else.

Oh don't be ridiculous. *ducks around corner to fix disguise*

Another thing to consider is the exaggeration factor. Simply put, RuneScape isn't nearly as bad a game (nor Jagex as bad a company) as people make it out to be. Humans often have a tendency to "make a mountain out of a mole hill".

Neither was I, but I still know what was meant. Sara is (as we should all know by now) short for Saradomin. The "noob" assumed the people referring to Saradomin were talking about an actual girl named "Sara".

Well it looks like I should've waited out the lag after all. My last post didn't even register in the thread list.

See now, I've sent in several reports over the time I've been playing (all of which I believed, and still do, to be legit), and I've never once received any message from Jagex about any of them. Also, this isn't just to help Jagex Customer Support determine how likely a report is to be legit (though that is part of it). It's also to help players that try to send in legit reports be sure that they're going about it in the right way. I don't know about anyone else, but I would personally like to know that my reports are actually helpful. If they're not I'd like to have a way to be sure I don't screw up on future reports. After all, if every report I send in is more or less worthless, then what's the point of reporting at all? I'm sure you can see how that scenario/mind set would cause a problem. That's another reason for this suggestion. Feedback?

Judging from some of the stuff in this thread alone, I'd have to say yes. Also, who is more foolish? The fool, or the one who follows the fool? It may be derived from a Star Wars movie, but it still rings true.

1st: Edit out the names. 2nd: Are you sure he wasn't referring to Guilded Armour? It is gold in colour after all.

No, those are the one's that are generally hired by companies and actually paid to hack them. It's intended to reveal network vulnerability, but it's hacking all the same.

I take it you've never heard of white hat hackers then?

My avatar shows how I used to dress. I still dawn that from time-to-time. Though now I usually wear Full Zamorak Robes, Zamorak Castle Wars Hood, Black/Red Mystic Gloves and Boots, Mirror Shield, Mystic Lava Battlestaff, Obsidian Cape, Amulet of Magic, and either Ring of Charos(u), Ring of Dueling (to save space), or Ring of Forging if I need to smelt Iron.

Then I added that person to my ignore list.

Might just be me, but it sounds like you were the one being immature or "noobish" in that scenario

I would like a bit more input on this before I post it on the Official Forums.

For now: Finish Runecrafting all runes up to (and including) Nature Runes (save Astral since I lack the requirements for Lunar Dimplomacy) to a minimum quantity of 1k. After that I'll worry about the rest. I'm sure a lot of you are thinking 1k isn't much, but I'm lazy and merely need a person stock. :P

A free trial is defined by it's designer, and RuneScape F2P could hardly be considered unlimited. The limits to a trial can either be defined in levels, time, or (in this case) features. Anyways, it appears you missed the point entirely. We need to stop comparing Jagex with companies like Westwood and Blizzard. They aren't the same type of company, and aren't even after the same thing, so to compare them would give warped results every time. Jagex simply wants to appeal to a certain audience, work on their game, allow players to enjoy gameplay within the rules, and support their game so that these things will be possible. What you need to keep in mind is that if you can't cope with the rules, Jagex, and/or the game, it's possible you're not part of the target audience. As I've said, there's no rule saying you have to play it just because it's there, and not every game is going to be right for every person. You might enjoy something like WoW or Everquest more. Who knows? Point is that Jagex still does their part to make the game better for us, and we should be thankful for that much. A very common wise phrase: Fret not over all that you do not have, but rather, be thankful for the things you do. (Obviously not the exact wording, but means the same thing.) If a few people leave because Jagex doesn't do what they want, then that's no skin off their bones. In fact, chances are that people that do leave simply are not part of the target audience, and (more importantly) will inevitably be replaced by people that are. BTW, I typed this while I was half-asleep. So if you have to actually think at all to reply to it you may as well not.

Actually it is technically possible for siblings' ages to differ to that extent (and then some). It isn't very common, mind you, but possible all the same.

I believe one of my F2P friends has actually fallen for that when he was still new. He tends to not be all that bright, but fortunately he learned from his mistake.

I think many of you are forgetting that the game belongs to Jagex and not us. Even our very own characters which we've spent countless hours building up are not our own, but rather, the sole property of Jagex Ltd. We're even made to e-sign an agreement acknowledging this fact before we can play. Because of this, Jagex could potentially take the game in any direction they wanted without us having any legal grounds whatsoever to object. They could even start deleting features at random just to piss us off, but do they? No. Like them or not, Jagex still chooses to continually make updates to the game. They continue to take input from players and use that to improve the game. They opt to set rules and assign Player Moderators to help enforce the rules, not to make the game restrictive, but as a way of dealing with those who would be purposefully disruptive. Sure, both Jagex and RuneScape have their flaws, but you need to remember that absolutely no one (not even Jagex themselves) is claiming that either one is perfect. As for F2P updates, get over it. As I've seen stated somewhere before, F2P isn't the actual game, but a mere free trial. It may be a very good trial which never runs out and has lots of features, but it's a trial all the same. On that note, if you were to download a trial for a game like Command & Conquer for example, would you expect Westwood Studios to provide you with updates for your free trial/demo? I think not. So what makes you think RuneScape's F2P (effectively demo) version should be any different?