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When I posted my findings I just got flamed XD Well here they are if it helps any ~~~~~ Here is some on the information I've collected for the key minigame after the 'Making History' quest. The key had 11 treasure hunts for the key to dissolve I found all of the m'journs after 10 treasure hunts If the key was freezing, it meant that the treasure was on the opposite side of the continent (Varrok or Ardounge), excluding Mortania of course. The treasure was always on the overworld, not in any place where you need to do a quest to access. Some of the treasure was under concrete, but digging got it out anyway ;) I made about 60k, not selling the m'journs 3 of those prizes with be mojourns - bad911 Can be mojourns can be used in GWD so keep 'em - bad911 [hide=Treasure locations (Warning 11 Images)]Please speak up if you have any new locations or info I can use [/hide]

Well I got my first substantial sum of cash through treasure trails. Finding ranger boots at level 60-something really makes my day if ya know what I mean

Ouch, I feel for ya. Do you think there is a sort of luck gene that your character has when it is created.

Oh Oh! I know Mister Kurtvegita another one is that Zamorak is usually portrayed as a beast which alot of the pagan deities look like. Anyone else have any more?

NOW TO GET BACK ON TOPIC READ BELOW SO WE CAN STOP A GOOD THREAD FROM BEING LOCKED I NEED EVERYONE's COOPERATION Ok, now to put everyone to work I want everyone who posts here to come up with something that is pagan that is in runescape, although this will probably fall on deaf audience I'll start One of the most obvious ones are the druidic altar in tavalry. Stonehenge anyone?

*facepalm* Lets just lock this topic, people aren't being civilized at the end of it all As always I'll send out a PM NOW IF YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH ME, PM IT. NOW EVERYONE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS ON THIS THREAD, WE ARE WAY OFF TOPIC

See in your utopian society, religion is the focal point. Now think of it from a person who doesn't believe in your religion. Aren't you oppressing them? In a true harmonized society religion would play no part in the government at all. Every citizen would be allowed to believe what they want, and practice what they want. Churches of all kinds would exist together, realizing that they believe different things, yet never fighting because of it. That would be my idea of utopia, and I think it would work just fine. To all christians, be happy that you've found your salvation in something you're adamant on, but never press it on another person, because there are some of us who aren't as lucky as you. We haven't found our true calling and aren't settling for anything less. Hey, make your own thread on the matter. I thought that is was agreed upon to leave this thread alone, at least by me. I'll send over a pm with my answer. Now everyone back to the discussion that this began with.

I agree, lets end it here. If you have an argument to pick, take it off this thread. Make your own. To change the subject back Reassure your friend that as long as he is not worshiping runescape's deities, there should be no harm in playing runescape. It is just a virtual world that is meant or entertainment. They don't even meet the description of God. But its his choice at the end, if he were to say that he won't play runescape after you tell him that, support him.

Thats right, something cannot make something greater than itself. If we have sentience, then the thing that made us must have sentience also. In order to make all the things around us, it must have the power to do that also, thus is greater than us. You are taking my broad generalizations and saying I am applying it to every atheist. You even throw out the racism card when I haven't even talked about races. Its just a cheap trick. There is no racism in what I said. I am only stating that atheists, in a whole, are usually less moral than Christians. Well at least Christian standards which all Christians should be following. I am not saying atheists are the root of all evil like you are saying I did. It seems that you are a bit racist yourself: "you cant judge every person by their religion or race, thats what people call RACISM, PROFILING, and DISCRIMINATION." Thats just twisting some words around, some of your own medicine. Like I stated, it is a broad generalization. There is nothing wrong with that. Also religion has started wars, but war isn't always bad. Wars can be just and righteous. If there was a man who was oppressing his people, murdering them and suppressing their rights as humans, and you had the power to take him out of power through just means, would you not do it? If you wouldn't shame on you. That war is just and good. A bad war is one for land, or ego or pride. From what I am gathering, you fancy man a god. Thats some big ego right there, alot of foolhearty pride. You think yourself equal to the thing that created you. Cloning isn't all man's power, it is also the strength of the chemicals used to make it. People like you believe that religion is not evil, but I say to people like you that if you take religion out of a country you will end up with communist russia. Something that oppresses the people. Something that stamps out religion because it has a pure hatred for it, something that will go at no lengths to achieve it's goals and desires. After all, they have nothing in the world or in the universe to answer to. Why not murder kill and steal, what is anyone else going to do about it? If you go over there and say to them "I believe in God and he is real" it is just like saying "God will punish you for all of the crimes you have committed." They will kill you, right there. Religion is not allowed. Churches will become museums and children will be taught in schools that God does not exist. That my friend, is life without God. A horrible existence, not because they will oppress your rights but because you will never have a chance to know God. This is in no way a flame, just a response to one. PM me if you have an argument, this thread is not for what we've been doing.

*facepalm* Looks like this topic got out of hand, as I thought. I'm with the 70% of the American population which believes in a God. From my experience alot of atheists hate religion. They believe it the cause of war and such and they think everyone other than them fanatical. No wonder they are lest moral than people who believe in a God. What is it to them if they decide to have an abortion or go and cheat a man out of his business. They don't care about others as much as they care about themselves, contrary to Catholic teaching which says you have to die to yourself so you can die for others. Think of others before yourself and you will be rewarded infinitely more than 7 times 77 times 7 times 7 of what you gave up.

I would use white knight or my sara with my sara cape. But the most efficient method would be to use the varrok achievement armor

The question that faces us now is what is rare and what is not now. They must have some sort of check box which they have to check which tells if it is rare or not and they aren't checking it for dragon items or something.

Closes runescape window before his evilness hits. Only in your virtual world dude ~~~~~ to my knowledge, neopaganism is just a subcategory for paganism. Paganism is a broad generalization of all non-Christian religions. Well excluding the Muslims, they are the only exception. What I find is interesting is that the Egyptians worshiped cats and they gave yearly human sacrifices to the Nile. Just thoughts from someone living in the 21st century reflecting on the past with the wisdom of knowing that one's race was once full of fools and it can happen again. But ya to get back on topic, runescape barrows most of its stuff from pagans. zamorak has human sacrifices given to him. Also they make sure you know that he is evil, but some people just don't understand that killing someone else and calling it a sacrifice is bad. Thats why God was His own sacrifice when he wanted reparation, he respects our rights as humans and creatures.

To my understanding, pagans are anything other than the followers of Christ. There have been alot of pagan religions started after Christianity. Are they not pagan?

they would probably limit that with different skills needed they would probably give portable dorgushkahn lightbulbs or something for high firemaking

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As I understand, paganism can be broken up even more than Christianity. This is because they worship multiple deities (as a whole). Not just three like in runescape, but counting in the millions. Thats when you group them all together. Paganism was the dominant religion right after Judaism was around, taking the Bible as a history book of course. I would say the reason why there are so many deities in paganism is the nomad's brain of telling the reason why certain things happen. For instance, the indians thought that rain was controlled by some sort of deity because they couldn't explain why it occurred. They dubbed it as a deity controlling it. Of course this newfound deity had to be worshiped, so they danced for it as a form of entertainment. It later became a belief that they could manipulate this deity with sacrifices. Support from this theory comes from that indians thought that clocks were deities when the spanish arrived. They couldn't explain how it worked, thus dubbing it a deity. edit: Lets keep this next response to a pm so we don't start some sort of flame war. Well I guess you could say it is a personal belief since I can't prove it. God didn't come to power because of this: There is an apple on a table, where did it come from? It came from an apple tree. There is the apple tree, where did it come from? It came from a seed which came from an apple which came from and apple tree which came from a seed which came from an apple which came from an app... This cannot go on forever, because it is a paradox. There must have been something at the beginning to make all of this. There has to be a first creator. Now proving this creator or as aristotle calls it (yes, I am using aristotle's theory), an unmovable mover is all powerful is another story indeed. You cannot give something if you don't have it, or a variation of this rule is if you have a bucket filled to the brim, then there is another bigger empty bucket. You simply cannot fill the other to the brim with the first. Thus the creator must have more in order to create something lesser (just like we can create tools because we have substances to work with and the mind to do it. No matter how hard that tool tried to make another, it can't since it is just a tool and lacks the mind or the material to do it).

Yep it is paganistic. Jagex never meant for them to be worshiped. Also God is identified as the being Who created heaven and earth and all things. As sara, guth and zammy came to power, that means they don't meet the criteria since they were not there at the beginning since one cannot become a deity. That means they are just merely beings or creatures that are strong. As long as you don't start worshiping them then it is fine I would say. But if you start treating them like deities, that is bad. Also it proves you are a complete idiot. Religion is something you should take seriously since it governs the fate of your soul when you die. It is a serious matter, not something to be scoffed at. This is not a religious debate thread so lets just keep on the subject and anyone who disagrees, pm me.

I tracked down some more info which proves the roulette wheel theory http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375 Now we come to the question of what is rare in jagex's eyes?

so with the reports we have so far, the ring of wealth only works with some items and could in fact not work at all. It could be jegex doing some test. Well putting that out of our minds we could suggest that dragon items are reduced by the ring of wealth? What then does the ring of wealth effect? Could it lower percentages instead of raise them?

I was in the warriors guild with the ring of wealth on and I wasnt getting pot when I was killing cyclops. I popped in on my second run and I got a bronze defender. The next go I was still wearing it and I recieved two defenders, iron and steel almost right after eachother. that is my little escapade which got me thinking about it

so it only effects monsters. So to my understanding there are three theories on how it works. We have the 'increase of rune drops' theory We have the 'roulette wheel' theory And we have the definition from jagex which we all know isnt probably the most accurate ~~~~ we can never know what drops you would have had if you hadn't worn it, so statistics can be as much of an enemy as a friend here

Speculation on the Ring of Wealth The above is taken from Runescape's Knowledge database This item is said to increase the drop rate of rare items, but what is rare in jagex's eyes? Thats the missing piece of the puzzle. The Roulette Wheel Theory This theory states that there are two roulette wheels which spin, the first is one that determines regular drops and then the next one spins to see if the first is replaced by a rare item. The ring of wealth simply gives the second wheel more of a chance of landing on a replacement for the first item. Evidence: Proved http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=375 Misconceptions about the Ring of Wealth The Specific Drop Theory This theory says that the ring of wealth only effects specific drops. For instance, the chance of rune items will increase over other items. Whether it reduces the chances of other drops or keeps them the same is still up in the air. Evidence: disproved Players report on receiving more dragon drops with it off. But that would only effect it if the monster dropped more rune than dragon. The Nothingness theory This idea says that the ring is nothing but a lucky charm. It could in fact do nothing for you and wearing it could be a waste of space. Then again what proof do we have that it works? Now that this is sorted out, we now come to the question 'What is rare in jagex's eyes?' Any speculation on that?

Everyone is looking for a quick, easy way to make money but none of the ways seem to be fast enough. The only way to get some cash is some good hard work. I would recommend a steady source of income. You can pick flax and spin it for a low level income There is a small place north of the west side of east ardounge which you need a respectable (forgot what level is needed) thieving level to get into. Inside are some druids which are big herb droppers. You can make a good amount of cash killing these things then selling the herbs on the g.e.

Ok, this is what you do. (not that I know anything about the gwd, but this just makes sense to me) Keep bandos at the difficulty it is, but tune down the drop rate Next pop up the drop rate of better items (better than bandos) for the next boss Repeat the same for the last 2 That would make sense, bandos for low levels giving lower level drops and sara giving the highest and being the place for higher levels