Hey, big thanks to Muggi for the guide. :D I had the ideal setup for everything, but the following Ava accumulator Snakeskin Boots Recoil Ring Also I used a Rune crossbow + unholy book + 1k Emerald bolts (e). Had an dditional 5/10 crystal bow in inv to attack 90s if they were behind 360s that were behind 180s :shock: My very FIRST try on fight caves with this guide, got to Jad, and died, heh. SECOND attempt, and the firecape was mine. :] And there is a safespot, dunno if it's been said, in the sw corner by a skeleton. It protects from all spawns BUT the sw one. anyways thanks again, EXCELLENT guide, updated or not. :P haha yes, first post woo, not exactly new, just mooched of AOW for a good while 8-)