compfreak847
-
Posts
5581 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Gallery
Events
Blogs
Posts posted by compfreak847
-
-
Mod Edit:Please stop quoting posts which you have reported, as you know we will have to edit the post quoting it. All you need to do is report it, and await a moderator to take action. :thumbup: ~Rainy_Day
My Edit: Sorry, I was hoping to keep him from constantly posting about his posts being removed, but I'll let the mods handle it from now on :P ~Compfreak847
This was the answer i was after, but you didn't have to be rude about it.
It was an answer I posted many, many times throughout the thread. I don't like when people barge in making arguments I disproved long ago.
-
Yes, open up Wave spells for F2P (will boost up the blood economy after the BA glitch), add Snare, and boost up the level requirements for the combat spells, to even it all out. Also, I think it would be fair to give F2P yew shortbows, and longbows. And maybe give them rune arrows too, although I'm a bit afraid that rune arrows could make Range overpowered in F2P.
I think that if these changes would be made, the triangle would be just fine.
Range is powerful all the way up to 99, no changes need to be made.
I find it absurd that mages don't even have proper robe bottoms. I mean SERIOUSLY... Melee has like 7+ types that are non-degradable...What defence do they have against mages? And how many do they have at level 1? I'm coming up with 2, only one of which is the best and is still complete crap statwise.
-
I don't want to be a wannabe mod, but don't argue over established rates earlier in the post. Tomorrow i'll make it my job to compile the rates in a spreadsheet of doom, death, and destruction. And if you don't want to believe it then don't >.>
Please don't. I don't want this thread to buried in an avalanche of spam. As it is, people are forced to read the thread to obtain my rates, something they should be doing anyway. We'll get far to many posters coming in with "LULZ UR MELEEING DEMONS IDIOT LULZ", as we've already seen. Bottom line: Read and understand ALL of my thread, or don't waste my and everyone elses time with an uninformed post.
You kill spectres with karils and a unicorn. That's about as inefficient as you can get. You're a step up from the guy killing spectres in full rune.
You can brag about your internet connection and PR0 ZMI RUNZ all you want, but in the end, you're still a terrible Slayer. Again, read Zarfot's guide. It's quite informative.
I would like to hear a detailed argument as to why slaying spectres in karils with a unicorn is infinitely more efficient than killing them with a cannon, prayer, and combat familiar/macaw. I've read through your thread, and I've read through pages 7 to 36 or wherever your horribly ambiguous directions tell us to look. There is a simple figure that you can give us that requires a line or two of text: the max experience rate for YOUR method of killing spectres vs. the max experience rate for Zarfot's (well, pretty much any Slayer who knows what he's doing) method.
Should be incredibly simple to give us that little bit of information which, quite conveniently, I cannot find.
Then perhaps you should look more carefully. I've already explained why I'm not simply throwing out an XP rate, it'll simply give people like you free reign to come in, read the last few posts and flame without a single fact to back them up.
-
I thought that was hilarious. You say they know what their doing yet their logic fails :lol:
Could you point out the part where I said that no one but Jagex knew about their finances? I'm afraid I couldn't find it, and I certainly don't recall any statements made by Jagex saying FTP was earning them large piles of cash.
-
Logic fail. :lol:
Not seeing it. Perhaps you could elaborate. I'll re word things so that you understand them a bit better:
#1: Jagex loses money when people sign up for FTP
#2: Jagex knows more about their game then you do
I'm not seeing the problem.
-
Wow, never knew that. Thanks for clearing it up, darkdude :P
-
Not only my post but ydrasil(sp?) post in response to you.
:wall:
Wondered why he hadn't responded in the day and a half I was gone :lol:
You have made a mistake. The part that you quoted in your response, to which I then replied to your response was not what was quoted above. Maybe not explained the best, but go back and you should understand. He posted something, you quoted that and responded to it. I quoted your response here, and responded to that. You now bring up a different quote which was not what this was based on. The quote was this:
Fair enough, I thought you were talking about his second post, referring to Specters instead of Bloodvields.
The point isn't that they have to be considered. In testing all of these factors are essentially accounted for and they already boost/lower the rate. Meaning, you don't perform a test which results in X experience for Y time using a certain method (for example using a cannon, as that is what we are talking about), and then follow up that tested by changing those figures to account for those points you mentioned above. That should make sense to you. If it is already in the test, no need to do it twice.
From this, what I am trying to convey is that all of those factors were accounted for already in the testing of experience per hour for a given method. So out of all those points you mentioned, only one applies, and that was cost. Combine that with time to determine which is more efficient.
But they were examples of factors that must be considered in numbers, something we already did earlier.
It would take me 27.63 minutes to get the same amount of Slayer experience.
This leaves 32.37 minutes to make back what is lost due to a cannon (only the cost of cannonballs).
We don't know the amount of cannonballs, but we can work in reverse.
If it were to be more efficient to use a cannon at only 400k, then for the 27.63 minutes I can use a maximum of 215,814gp worth of cannonballs in that time. Based on the price of 188 each, that is 1,148. That extrapolates to 2,493 per hour. So if I were to use that many cannonballs an hour, it would make a cannon inefficent at 400k an hour.
Using the same process, at 500k an hour I would have to of used 3,116 cannonballs an hour.
Using the same process, at 600k an hour I would have to of used 3,740 cannonballs an hour.
I can assure you I do not use over 3k an hour so at 500k you can be assured it is more efficient at that point. I am unsure for the rate of 400k. However, since we can assume you make more than that, a cannon is more efficient for you to use. This all shows that you are using an inefficient method for Slayer.
Where is the value of experience based on range vs. melee XP? And I am discussing 400k as a non-luck method. We aren't suddenly changing the rate after 73 pages.
Well I think you have purposely mislead me. I was under the impression that you were talking about a 10% change from the average (which can go both ways to a total of 20% spread). Now you indicate here that you were talking about a 10% difference in the minimum and maximum. The average would have to be somewhere in the middle meaning it is only about a 5% deviation. That is not something I disagree with. A 10% deviation from the average was what I was disagreeing with. All of this was based on a misunderstanding it seems as I agree a 5% deviation is acceptable. So we don't have a similar argument as we already are, I won't go in to whether it was my fault or yours, as it doesn't really matter in the long run.
Fair enough, I'll consider it settled :)
That chart was compiled entirely from Qeltars beastiary. As I have said, I agree with the calculations but disagree with the numbers utilised. This is evidenced where I have lower stats and yet achieve a kill rate of approximately 97 higher per hour on Bloodvelds. I have never said the first 40 pages was about nothing either. Many other things were also discussed besides that intial assumption.
Those were before I introduced my own rates in comparison. I'm simply saying that we didn't use inaccurate rates for 40 pages and suddenly noticed it now.
I was making a joke geez. Of course I understood what was implied, I was joking about the irony that was there.
OK, sorry I didn't "get" it :)
You should just admit you were wrong so we can move on. There is no justification you can give to the contrary because there is no other way that it can be interpretted. The example was an example of what I do. That post came 2 (or 3?) after the intial post where I mentioned Zamorak Brews. In that post, it was specifically stated that when I personally do not take damage due to a Protection Prayer, I use Zamorak Brews. That exmaple is a perfect indication of that. Why would I post that, give an example that shows exactly what I am talking about and even saying that is what I do, and then somehow illogically imply that I do not use a protection prayer personally. Your reasoning has no logical or factual basis. You seem to be wanting this to keep going for no other reason than you not wanting to admit you are wrong.
I could make the same argument against you. Why are you so tenaciously trying to tell me what I meant? You never said you always used prayers for brews, and I was operating under the assumption that you weren't using a cannon at specters.
As above, what you say here is incorrect. The information provided can only be incorporated to represent one logical method. Saying that isn't true is a lie.
Then why is your information so inconsistent? First we agree that a canon is inefficient and not to be included, then include it in your equipment. I'm not sure which "version" to believe.
Used this rate earlier in my post. I also don't care about your "informal" rates. They aren't relevant in my opinion.
They aren't relevant to this debate, but they are relevant to my first post.
So that would mean every single way to train combat throughout the entire game "sucks" except one? That is what you have inferred. Not to mention in the context of everything that has been posted, "sucks" is too subjective.
Nope, just an attention grabber. Reasonably accurate title, but "8 page analysis detailing how slayer derives less raw efficiency from training then Armored Zombies" just doesn't have the same ring to it :lol:
Not quite what I meant with best but that is my fault I guess. I meant as in how would determine what is best? What do you define as a superior method?Least overall time when all factors but time are equalized using rates from other 'best' methods separated for XP, profit, and other variables.
Using your definiton of efficient, then you are not "highly" efficient" when it comes to Slayer as you have inferred (as shown above).When casual slaying, not testing. There's a difference.
-
I don't think you responded to the last of page 70 after you said you had to go soon. Or did I miss it?
No, I overlooked your post. In response:
We've tested and debated all of the major, well known methods for most tasks. The problem is that speed is not the only factor, as some believe it to be. Speed, cost, XP gained, and overall time spent all must be factored in, and sometimes there's overlooked variables that change what's most efficient to something completely unexpected.
-
I see someone else you quoted and responded to, nothing I said. What is your point? I don't see how you use some other persons words(laid-back and relaxed) in a response to what I am saying. How did you confuse me with shadow? Maybe I'm just not getting what you are saying.
Your not. You said you thought I was slow and inefficient, I responded with a post detailing why I wasn't. What part of that is hard for you to understand?
-
Yes, but imp boxes take ages to get, and they aren't stackable like runes are.
Yaks are stackable, dirt cheap, and buyable for min price on the GE.
-
So, what does this do to prevent high level RWTs? Player X, level 133 with most quests done wishes to purchase 100m from Goldfarmer X, a level 137 sweatshopper with all quests done and virtually all achievements unlocked. Sorry, but RWT was removed for a reason. Many reasons, actually: http://www.runescape.com/a=135/p=-EeKm0 ... cle_id=567
That being said, why do you need more then 60k every 15 minutes?
-
I agree with that, but would those impatient people be able to figure that out?
Most would, the area between 250,000 and 60,000,000 is large enough for most people to see fairly easily.
You changed the argument from their patience to their bank account, which was only pushing this closer and closer to off-topic.Both apply. When we're talking about a cost of 300$ an hour, it's not going to take many days of playing to either run out of patience or run out of money.
Okay, what was going through your mind? 14.4 million is a lot more than 3 million, and you could even combine stopping off at the Duel Arena with, say, Runecrafting, to make sure that the time between duels isn't wasted. That would make more than 3 million on average.
But would carry a large penalty of being banned, cost real world money, and is not required for these players - they have spent years playing for the levels, and obviously have the patience to earn their own money.
-
I never specifically called you a laid-back slow inefficient slayer, that was someone else, but yes I do agree you are inefficient and thus slower.
See my above response to that on the previous page, detailed at viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267&start=1400#p6601905
Then again, how would you know?
-
it's safe to say the majority of people don't want to go around mining iron all day on f2p. it's boring monotnus and it's got the excitement of a lecture about the history of german anthropology in a language you can't understand. if i wanted to mine iron all day i might as well just play tetris. it's more exciting and i can show my talents on youtube and get millions of views. you are amoung a minority of people who don't like updates. if people don't like updates then there would be none. jagex is a slave to their consumers and if they want updates, updates they shall get. however with the opening up of forums, updates shall be slowed down.
otherwise enjoy your iron. i'll go play stealing creation.
It's a personal opinion, we can't agree or disagree with him. Just saving him the trouble of posting this :lol:
-
That's how we know you are not efficient. You are the one constantly throwing insults and using heavy patronizing sarcasm in nearly every response post. Use your childish smileys all you want. You DID ignore the better methods argument and are still talking about how good your zmi/abyss runs are. In fact you seemed to ignore a full page of posts from when you were offline.
Still waiting for your numbers to differ with my cannon rates. Until then, your simply slinging opinions. Yes, I use sarcasm. It's part of my debating style, either deal with it, ignore it, or add me to your ignore list.
All my issues are settled :lol:, dw about that mistake, I kind made one too :P
Ok, issues settled :P
-
You missed the point entirely. Show me the calculations for why you've come to the conclusion that cannoning aberrant spectres is less efficient than meleeing them without the cannon for support. You mean that it's impossible to show that in less than, in your words, a dozen pages?
Yep. It's a truly massive amount of calculations and numbers, each with details of how they were obtained and the arguments required to end up with them.
-
They just don't have a massive impact on my gaming. Some I enjoy, some I don't.
Maybe I can close this whole damn thing with this: I'm more laid back then you are. $5 a month isn't enough for me to feel the need to follow every little place the money goes. I get more than enough enjoyment out of it to want to micromanage everything.
Agree completely. That's why I just posted once saying I didn't like the direction Jagex was taking with it. Glad you see that now :P
-
Lol, never said that. That was someone else...
Sorry, get you and Miner mixed up. One of the reasons I separate posts. Twice in 2 days, I need to work on that :?
Ok, gonna explain this real slow.Lets say it is you verse me to get 40 kill count, right?
We both get a goblin first, as there are a few spawned around.
I miss my first hit, you one hit your goblin.
So far:
Lord Firer - 0
DeviledEgg24 - 1
I then kill one, but by that time your on your second.
Get the drift?
My stats are lower, so I have a greater chance of missing, as your are higher, your accuracy is much better than mine.
But I'm not talking about that. I was specifically referring to reaction time, so it should have been clear: I'm talking about when we're both standing in one spot, one spawns, and we both click to attack.
-
A video instruction of an actual game would be far better.
Doesn't Fist of Guthix have something like that? Some sort of visual aid anyway. Adding one of those for BA would be a good idea.
Yeah, Jagex has been learning. Unskipable cutscenes are a good thing, but something like Gnomecopters detailing tactics would be even better.
-
Yes, at level 35. At level 94 fire blast is ineffective (I guess I shouldn't have called it underpowered).
But you've got to stick to the level requirements. An iron scimitar is ineffective at level 94 also. I'm just saying that FTP is fine except for the high end spells, which is namely a problem because they don't have any. Add another set of elementals and boost the requirements for the lower level ones :P
-
And it is absolutely impossible to condense it to show relevant portions? Come on, now you're just being stubborn for the hell of it. Why not post relevant portions here? When we're talking about, say, cannoning spectres, post the numbers. Or do you enjoy making it difficult for other people to understand you?
Because it's ALL tied together. Behind each number for a rate is a dozen pages of calculations show that that is indeed the best method. Any time I post something without the necessary tome of footmarks it ends up in a 3 page flame war over a subject settled months ago. Read the entire thread or don't respond.
-
Even reading instructions really doesn't make it clear enough. Everyone's new at some point; when I first came to BA, I was a helpless newb. Same for GWD or any hard, first-time event. There's always going to be new people trying to learn the ropes.
True, but when they don't know what to do for more than 4 rounds, it's time for a little rereading of the instructions. Everyone needs hands-on experience, but some times a good read is better.
Rarely. Learning where everything is on the equipment screen and the best tactics to use takes time. A video instruction of an actual game would be far better.
-
That updates do affect me and how I play the game -- you seem to think I'm in this bubble.
So are they in a good way or bad way.
(should have had a question mark) Maybe more, maybe less. And what is with your need to micromanage this? They change my enjoyment, sometimes more, sometimes less. It doesn't have such a large impact that I feel my $5 is wasted if I get less.
So you don't even know if you enjoy updates or not? Get back to me when you decide, otherwise your simply making yourself look foolish by flip flopping every other post. Since you seem to feel the need to finish every post with a personal insult, I'll be ignoring them from now on.
-
I mean that it is underpowered if you are 94 combat.
Gee, a level 35 spell is underpowered if you are 94 combat? Next they'll be saying that a bronze scimmy and level 15 strength is underpowered at level 124. Yay for TIF.
That's my point. The other guy's saying that fire blast is overpowered, which is absurd.
Which it is. Mage is hitting accurate 16s, melee is hitting frequently-missing 10s.
Tormented Demons - The Excellently Uber Guide!
in General Guides
Posted
Interesting, total. I'll have to try it at that spot. One question: why do people always use warriors instead of wealths? Is there something that says wealth doesn't work at that spot or what?