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I'm still waiting for Compfreak to review my 1,000+ hours of cannon testing. Also, I should add that I've done at least 10,000 hours of Slayer over the span of 10 different accounts (all of which have 99 and beyond.) I will not give you the names of the accounts or show you my results, as that would be far too easy. It's all there in the high scores, and my results have been posted once or twice in Help & Advice in the past year. I expect you to dig through and find them. Until then, good luck proving me wrong.
Okay, okay. I'll give you two hints. All 10 of my accounts are in the top 500 Slayers and my results can be found between pages 40 and 70 in the H&A forum. Good luck.
Like I said, all I need is a link to the thread. Simple enough.
Can't you see that no one in their right mind would/could/should ever go through 75 pages of:
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[*:3kga2191]Logical explanations
[*:3kga2191]Flame wars and
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How could you expect anyone to do that? I doubt you would ever do it if it was not your topic and you had arrived at the 60th page of posting.
I did it. Why should I bother responding to them if they can't bother reading my responses?
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You just don't get the message do you :P 4 clues in 2 pages and you still won't do one :shame: I bet if you do one the whips will start dropping again :thumbup:
Uhh no... No matter how many I get, the hourly rate is still crappy. Also, it was 8 clues in total :lol: :?
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Too obviously easy to AFK - it's the only possible reason it would be used. Monsters are aggressive for danger reasons, not so you can train more easily.
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Hmmm...Can't both of you just post an excel sheet of your calculations and exp rates along with your methods that you used for each task (or for the rates of monsters not on a slayer task just your method for what you trained on). Then both of you can go test each others methods and compare your results with another posting of excel sheets. Then all you have to do is move that information to the end of the first post on this thread and this whole issue will be settled.
Genius!
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*sigh* Read the replies
Last time we tried that, a mod had to come with a rather large fire extinguisher to take care of the epic flame war it spawned. I'm PMing rates to those who need them, but I'm not posting them publicly - people who don't have a clue what they are talking about will mindlessly flame methods without understanding the logic behind them, something that is gained if you have to read through all the replies to obtain the rates.
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no it's just lazy throwing a random link up.
Not when the link is relevant and backs up your point; otherwise your simply throwing out opinions as "facts".
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Posting wikipedia makes you look like a loser tbh. Not calling you one, just saying :roll:
It's easier than going through and pulling out this when it says more or less the same thing though, you have to agree... :lol:
I'd have more respect for you if you just said it without the wikipedia.
Some of us like to use sources instead of making up 'facts'; it lends creditability to statements, and gives you a platform to stand on.
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I've lost 95m from this, I wouldn't mind a solution.
Although I'm doing it atm...
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Not bad. I like it :P
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Both spots where I've seen them PK at (south of the GE and the general store) are not close enough from a bank to make it there. Yes, it is possible to survive 10 claw specs with prayer, but it's very, very difficult. Claws are immensely powerful. I'm a big advocate of the "pray and die", but you still lose 30m+. At any rate, I'm gearing up and going back out, we'll see how I do if I meet another team :-#
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I can see the use, although I've never used the room I can see it being handy for those who do. Isn't this supposed to be in suggestions though? :?
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You sit with melee pray+pro item anyway in pvp worlds if you don't your asking to die. As for those clans they tb you then freeze/entangle you and there is a time between those attacks for you to run to a bank or atleast close to one.
Pro item doesn't help, it just minimizes the damage (To around 30m lost on death when clawing). You have exactly two second to run starting from the time your teleblocked until your bound and getting smashed.
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If its only attack styles are crush, then it will NEVER hit ANY enemy. If any offensive stat is less than -65, it'll never hit. Try hitting a chicken w/ -65 crush att from flowers, archer helm, and berserker necklace - it'll never happen. Same applies to magic when wearing metal armor. Thus, it's not really a challenge since it's impossible.
Muggi! :shock: :shock: :? :? :o :o :ohnoes: :ohnoes: \
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And yes, the same applies to magic - I hadn't thought of that. I wonder if we'll ever seen poor enough range weapons to get that also...
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Holy [bleep]. This is #7, for those of you counting:
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Bought AGS and had some fun in PVP:
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group, managed to protect AGS in time but I lost fire cape. Got that back:[hide=Fire Cape]
[/hide]So yeah, stay out of PVP until a solution is found :shock:
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[/hide]Teleother the clawer away?
Can't. His spec bar will still be there and he'll be able to attack you without interruption, the window closing when he specs. Your best hope is to manta ray\brew as fast as you can through the 10 specs until your unfrozen. Very unlikely, and very, very dangerous.
Yup that one xx owned clan tried for me and failed because I managed to out eat it with sharks. My best advice is stay near a bank and if you get tb'd run into the bank right away and log out.
Ehh, you get bound immediately afterward and it's almost always too far to get to a bank, your only hope is to eat it out. I managed to eat one shark and hit protect item before they took me down from 99 HP, so that's not the greatest alternative.
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I thought you get tele'd instantly, with accept aid, but I have no experience with it so I probably was wrong.
But indeed, this is VERY dangerous, yet pretty nifty thought out. Who expects 10 claw specs :-)
Nope, it pops up a window asking if they want to tele. Otherwise there'd be a heck of a lot of annoying people going to ice plateau :lol:
Then again, I can't do it on ancients, so the whole point is moot -.-
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Bought AGS and had some fun in PVP:
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[/hide]Then I died to
group, managed to protect AGS in time but I lost fire cape. Got that back:[hide=Fire Cape]
[/hide]So yeah, stay out of PVP until a solution is found :shock:
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[/hide]Teleother the clawer away?
Can't. His spec bar will still be there and he'll be able to attack you without interruption, the window closing when he specs. Your best hope is to manta ray\brew as fast as you can through the 10 specs until your unfrozen. Very unlikely, and very, very dangerous.
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I was not flaming in either of the previous posts where you have accused me of it. I wasdoing nothing more than pointing out that you have misunderstood or misinterpretted my posts more and more in comparison to earlier in the thread.
I was referring to your posts in general, not those ones in particular :)
But there is no universal value for experience, so how can it be added? Having been given the rate you get at Armoured Zombies of about 103k per hour and 190k profit, this can be broken down into 103k to melee, 34.3k to Hitpoints and about 9k to Summoning. For Slayer it is 195k experience per hour with 107k profit per hour. This is broken down into 75.5k to melee, 30.5k to Hitpoints, 26.7k to Range, 31.3k to Summoniong, and 30.8k to Slayer. If a player is given this information, they can determine themselves which method they would rather use. There is no need to add in a value of experience. It is up to the player to decide if they would rather get less combat experience per hour but nearly all of it being melee and Hitpoints (Summoning gain there is very small), or if they would rather get more combat experience per hour, but across all combat skills (except Prayer and Magic) whilst also gaining Slayer experience.
Universal experience can be calculated using time taken to obtain via the most efficient; it's not always accurate, but it's simply the only way to allow for debate without referring to specific persons.
That's odd, I was thinking the same thing. You have not posted any calculations that prove a cannon is inefficient. Not to mention you are not being consistent. I know that a cannon is efficient at 400k per hour. However, you should know for sure that at say 600k per hour, a cannon would of course be efficient. Since you are the maximum rate for Armoured Zombies (99 stats) and using a lower money making rate. You have already established in other threads that Green Dragons at your stats is over 600k profit per hour.
As I have mentioned before, you need to be consistent. Either use 600k (minimum) as the profit rate, or lower the rate at Armoured Zombies to fit in with someone who only gets 400k an hour. To reiterate, the reason why it should be higher is simply by following your intial reasoning. You had said Aviansies was the lowest common denominator. However, we know that someone with 99 stats can get 600k+ profit an hour easily by using Green Dragons. So we know that their minimum profit has to be at least 600k.
Again, 600k is a rate that I have seen few others obtain. I've stuck by 400k throughout this thread, and intend to continue to do so. Don't bother telling me I'm simply using it to make slayer look worse; I've stuck with that rate ever since I was comparing a money-lost method (Monkies) to money-profit (Slayer) where the higher the income the worse slayer looked.
I did say combat training. Range and Hitpoints are COMBAT skills, and by training them, you are training combat. I know it is hard for you to understand and that it makes no sense, but that's just how it is....
[idiotic argument]Oh but wait. I thought you said COMBAT training, not melee training. Perhaps you should rephrase everything you have said about Armoured Zombies to indicate that you didn't plan on training combat. [/idiotic argument]
Stop pretending you don't know what I'm trying to say. I'll rephrase it: Training range does not count as combat training without factoring in every other type of combat.
I have read all of your replies and I have responded to them. I was using your logic (so of course it must be right!). You have provided no facts with your claim that my rates are apparently wrong, with your logic that makes it an opinion with no proof meaning it is irrelevant. See how that works? You expect everyone to provide factual evidence (which I do) yet you never provide any yourself.
I need no more facts; I have already presented mine long ago in this thread, and see no need to repost them for your convenience. I do, however, see your point about me needing to PM you rates - I'll have those shortly, I'm currently verifying rates for some of the monsters that we never agreed upon to ensure my results are as accurate as possible.
Didn't we establish that you would get my banking times after you give me your results? I still don't have your results, so you don't get my banking times yet. By real numbers for +10% prayer you mean? I always use +10% prayer as a minimum on every task. Since a cannon is efficient, removing it would be inefficient, so it stays. So yes, all of my rates have been supplied using efficient methods. You just refuse to accept the fact that Armoured Zombies is slower combat experience.
See above. And no, I would love to see Armored Zombies proven worse - but I'm certainly not going to take your word for it in a "your rates vs. mine" argument.
All anyone has to do is use piety, if it provides more than a 12% boost, then you are wrong (can't be a maximum if you can get higher). Skeletal Wyverns is about the best possible task to use piety on and you will get a significant boost in experience.
Except your going to have to do significant, VERY extensive testing at multiple monsters before making a blanket statement. Since I have seen no evidence of those, I'm sticking to my 12% as a very rough rate.
Note: Do not say earlier in the thread. That just isn't going to cut it anymore as you use it as an excuse to not have to provide rates or calculations (as nearly all of the times what you say is in the thread isn't there).
Wrong place to post this, you just quoted where I was referring to :-s
Oh, did I say or infer that? Nor have I lied earlier inthe thread (not that I can remember anyway). If you are referring to the Slayer rate I said earlier in the thread, you would see that.... You know what, i'm not going to bother explaining it. Go back and read my reply, I even posted it again not that long ago. It will show that I was never lying about that rate.
I'm referring to your rates posted.
I also noticed you ignored the thread I directed you to on the rsof. If you actually wanted proof that Slayer was better, than that thread is all that is needed. You posts indicate that you had read that thread before making this one. That means you already knew and know Slayer is better, and you onyl did this for the argu...deba... whinging involved.
The second to last word is supposed to be whining, right? I think it's fairly obvious, but last time I thought that a flame war resulted.
In response: What? I have read that thread many times, we discussed it quite a while ago. I could point to a thread or response claiming to have gotten worse rates then me, but without detailed information on testing methodology, methods, and equipment it's not oging to do a thing to support or injure my argument.
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Lmao. I'd die under the pressure of that. 1 clue gives third age shield and one gives you saradomin stole and runepickaxe.
Never do them. Not worth the time.
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Forgot about morrigan's jav, on the lookout for d bowers, hadn't thought about protect item. Guess I'll make it a staple, but I'm going to be keeping a BIG eye out for those clans. I've entered house portals while under darts (8ms lag is nice), but since I'm in relleka I don't usually have a problem with teams - I've gotten quite a few kills there, including the one shown above.
Yes, the second spec KOed, but it's not nearly as exciting. There are several other PKs I missed entirely, including a 74-0 (splash) combo where he ate once, prayed melee, and got downed by my next 32 spec while saying "failed pjer" (Yeah, I'm angry I missed the screenshot -.- )
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Two clues in a row at demons, as well as 5 in under an hour. Gonna have to pick up one of them, it's taking away from my regular drops :wall: :
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Bought AGS and had some fun in PVP:
[hide=Missed most of the screenshots, here's a few though]
[/hide]Then I died to
group, managed to protect AGS in time but I lost fire cape. Got that back:[hide=Fire Cape]
[/hide]So yeah, stay out of PVP until a solution is found :shock:
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But that would make gs, in terms of accuracy according to you, less than 7.5% better (12.5% in the first case) than a whip. This shows in training results, but compare it to doing something like god wars, where accuracy is a big help because you're fighting something with a high defence. Accuracy also helps in TD's -- while they may not have as much defence as other GW bosses, they have a notable amount for warrior to be very effective. It makes a big difference in using a GS for me. What ring would you recommend then, though?
I'll be testing out wealth there, but for a long time I've really been a non-believer in wealth. It's given me bad luck >.>
Wealth, of course. And whip + defender > GS at all bosses except TD, and there are only thanks to the slower, bigger hits. Whip + defender has more damage per minute then any other weapon. There's no possible way you have enough evidence to support the 'bad luck' theory you would need dozens of claw drops to provide evidence supporting an increase or decrease.
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