Zygimantas

Of course. Because that's using your logic to think about him being beyond logic. Some eastern mystics say "Be still and know", and by that they mean be still physically and mentally. There is no effort, or thinking required to "know" god. But this is not referencing to knowing god as a separate entity or with any characteristics, because god is beyond logic. That is an inconsistent statement. If the deity is beyond logic, then he is illogical. Also, since he is no longer bound by the realms of logic, one would have to accept every supernatural claim as equally likely as the next. Also, if God is beyond the realm of logic, then how can one make the claim of his existence? Without logic the claim would have to be completely made up. Also, if God created the universe, then we should be able to test parts of the universe to find his existence within reality--which is bound to logic and science. Surely can seem "illogical". God doesn't have to be logical though. I say accept what you feel is true. I don't have to make the claim of his existence. And how can you test for something's "existence" if it is the essence of everything? You will never find scientific evidence because god is not some type of force or shape. It is beyond it. There is really nothing to find. Again, all of this can easily be "false". For I can not prove that any type of human logic and therefore the "facts" that come of it are true.

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Of course. Because that's using your logic to think about him being beyond logic. Some eastern mystics say "Be still and know", and by that they mean be still physically and mentally. There is no effort, or thinking required to "know" god. But this is not referencing to knowing god as a separate entity or with any characteristics, because god is beyond logic.

There are so many 1000's of interpretations of christianity, while most christians I talk to whether catholic or baptist all believe in an Omnipotent/Omniscient God. You can write it off as an outdated idea (I agree with you that it is an outdated idea) however it is a near fundamental idea of Christianity not an obscure one that is misleadingly categorizing a whole religion. It is almost a central idea that God is all knowing and all powerful, and I have been pointing out some logical flaws with the belief What if god is beyond our logic? Therefore our logic can not make sense of it. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? > No. > Guess we're done with that, then. Of course I wouldn't have evidence. Beyond logic means beyond evidence silly, any evidence would disprove my theory :P But of course I wouldn't go around saying it is "true".

There are so many 1000's of interpretations of christianity, while most christians I talk to whether catholic or baptist all believe in an Omnipotent/Omniscient God. You can write it off as an outdated idea (I agree with you that it is an outdated idea) however it is a near fundamental idea of Christianity not an obscure one that is misleadingly categorizing a whole religion. It is almost a central idea that God is all knowing and all powerful, and I have been pointing out some logical flaws with the belief What if god is beyond our logic? Therefore our logic can not make sense of it.

If the protesters are going to burn some government buildings because they're angry, I'm fine with that, but please please PLEASE do not harm the Museum. I don't see why they would burn the museum. They're not anti-Egypt, just against their government.

The hitler/stalin was an atheist too was brought up and atheism is a religion too Just need someone to say "the evidence of God is all around you" for a bingo The evidence of God is all around you.

Then you'll be pleased to know none of the atheists in this thread are claiming, "There is no god." Great, then we should all be getting along ;) I guess you can say it would. Though, we are human, and that is not going to happen. The diversity in beliefs can be a beautiful thing, people just need to accept the diversity.

It comes down to what we assume. There is no "right" answer. If an atheist says there is no god he is as wrong as a theist saying there is a god.

One of two things is going to happen. Either Mubarek steps down and goes into exile or he gets killed.

Maybe to enjoy true happiness we need to experience suffering first? What would be the point of having the Garden of Eden before anyone suffered then? Well maybe to show that life can be beautiful but humans in their nature bring suffering upon themselves. Either way... People who believe in a god should be able to worship without having to believe in The Bible. Worship god but not The Bible, as it is flawed and written by men and their ideas.

Maybe to enjoy true happiness we need to experience suffering first? Imagine a serial killer(or a rapist), who tortured his victims relentlessly, using that excuse. Done. What about it?

Maybe to enjoy true happiness we need to experience suffering first?

Maybe it is nonexistent.

Umm.. to live for god?

Interesting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLrMVous0Ac

I agree with you on this. Everything boils doing to assumptions and is basically subjective.

Maybe I worded it wrong. At the core morals are naturally in us, because the ones we have now are based on survival instincts that have proved to help us survive. We are born with natural morals. Of course the basic morals can be expressed in different ways.

Both may have an effect. Here: http://www.newsweek.com/2008/09/12/is-morality-natural.html#

Well essentially, but their based on our survival instincts. Ex: Killing is morally wrong for most people because we have empathy which developed through evolution because it helps us survive as a group.

Our morals do not come from teachings. Our morals are naturally instilled with us when our DNA is put together. Most morals derive from the instinct to survive, either for the population or just for oneself.

I think morals are inherit through our nature. I don't think it is something you have to learn in anyway.

Beautiful words. That is all you need to know about god. Unimaginable, indescribable, and everywhere. Words can not describe it, and neither can the bible. I don't believe in a higher being. I believe in one "being".

I think it just depends on what you grow up with and learn about.

Didn't feel it. Didn't see it. Didn't find a reason for there to be one. Is that to say that if some radical event took place in your life, with no understandable explanation, that you would start to believe in something supernatural / higher being? It tough to say unless I actually have it happen. Sometimes for some people this feeling arises, that a god is there. It simply has not for me.