Zygimantas

Didn't feel it. Didn't see it. Didn't find a reason for there to be one.

:shock: Zyg that face just made me laugh. I find all types of girls attractive, but most Latina girls are, for lack of a better word, sexy. Or beautiful. Because there's actually a difference. Victoria Justice amirite? Oh yea, I remember her from Zoey 101 :P Though there is a pornstar that looks almost just like her...

How about laughing? Does some good laughing work on the abs?

Just to clarify. Eastern religions focus on finding who you really are, and as you see the truth of yourself you see the truth in everyone and everything else. Thus, by looking in you're looking out becomes clearer and you are able to help existence in a better way.

Not even religion. In general, believed ideas can make a person do different things. An idea is nothing unless one puts belief behind it. Same with religion. You want to get rid of religion that is formed from ideas? Get rid of ideas, or at least any belief in them.

*Gets popcorn* Here we go again :P

Why does it even matter if you make use of the time? You'll die anyway, and all those accomplishments and memories will be absolutely worthless to you :lol:

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I'm not sure if I agree or disagree. haha. I'm not try to "show it off in public" in anyway shape or form, I'm just trying to see what other people think/view life and religion. It's more for growth and learning than really anything else. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, because they may or may not be right. I just want to know what other people think. I sincerely apologize if I have done anything beyond this. ^^ I don't think he was targeting you L2ski :P He was just addressing religion as a whole.

Yep. I find all types attractive, I just sometimes don't find black women to be attractive as others.

Why do you need motivation?

Then sometimes I get that feeling that it doesn't even matter. Religion, no religion, god or no god, facts or no facts. All these pointless debates about a pointless topic. Sometimes its just nice to say "[bleep] it, it doesn't matter" :)

And to tell me who I am as a person, I have brilliant philosophical works of Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, etc. All of which have nothing to do with a belief that I have been poofed into existence by a magician or that I have some kind of spirit dwelling with in me that is going to go somewhere when I die. The questions you are asking are questions of philosophy and are not what most religions are about. Whether or not there is a god has nothing to do with whether or not I subscribe to any sort of morality or philosophy. When I want to know what happened, I turn to science. When I want to know things about myself, I turn to philosophy. Religion...what does it answer? What does it have to do with philosophy? Religions usually put philosophies into practice. Again, I am not in belief that there is a higher being out there.

Beautiful words :) This doesn't make any sense. Do I use "myself" to answer other questions about the world? Should we "use ourselves" to find the cure for cancer, since science hasn't yet provided us with the answer? Until we have evidence that gives us answers, people don't just make up magical stories. Except for creation. Doctors don't have a cure for AIDS, and we don't just say "Well, maybe if you close your eyes, clap your hands, and spin around three times, a leprechaun will appear and cure your AIDS" When asked for a cure for AIDS, we must say "We don't know yet". The same is true for the origins of time and space. We aren't sure yet, so we simply dont know, and we shouldnt pretend to know. Science has its place in life. But it is never going to show you who you really are.

Seeing that I operate in the rest of my life based on logical conclusions that are verified with evidence, I see no reason why I should jump to conclusions about anything else. If my roof started leaking, I wouldn't automatically just try to make a random guess as to the reason why and then assume I was correct. I could, for example, assume that an intelligent being is trying to sabotage me and has placed a swimming pool on my roof. I could start living like this and not go seek evidence that tells me what is actually going on. Or, I could do what a rational person would do, and seek the answer for why my roof is leaking. Most people don't operate by making irrational conclusions about causation in their daily lives. I fail to see why it makes any more sense to jump to an irrational conclusion about the origins of the universe without having some type of substantial evidence for which to make a conclusion from. Exactly. Seek the answer. Don't make guesses. Simple things, like you say " I fail to see..." Ask yourself who is the "I" that fails to see. What is I? You will find an answer, then question that answer. Eventually you get to a point where basic logic or science can't help find you the answer, then you have to really try and look by yourself. Don't give up on the question just because others say they have found the answer. Look for yourself. This doesn't make any sense. You seem to be suggesting that I should use philosophy to answer the origins of our universe. Why? We don't use philosophy to explain where animals come from, how to cure diseeases, etc. This really doesn't make any sense. Who am I? I am a bag of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, etc. Humans are nothing special. Don't use philosophy or science. Just use yourself. You say "I am a bag of carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, etc." Now what are these elements? Eventually you will come to fundamental particles, but when asking what are they, don't just settle for "I don't know". Really look for an answer.

Seeing that I operate in the rest of my life based on logical conclusions that are verified with evidence, I see no reason why I should jump to conclusions about anything else. If my roof started leaking, I wouldn't automatically just try to make a random guess as to the reason why and then assume I was correct. I could, for example, assume that an intelligent being is trying to sabotage me and has placed a swimming pool on my roof. I could start living like this and not go seek evidence that tells me what is actually going on. Or, I could do what a rational person would do, and seek the answer for why my roof is leaking. Most people don't operate by making irrational conclusions about causation in their daily lives. I fail to see why it makes any more sense to jump to an irrational conclusion about the origins of the universe without having some type of substantial evidence for which to make a conclusion from. Exactly. Seek the answer. Don't make guesses. Simple things, like you say " I fail to see..." Ask yourself who is the "I" that fails to see. What is I? You will find an answer, then question that answer. Eventually you get to a point where basic logic or science can't help find you the answer, then you have to really try and look by yourself. Don't give up on the question just because others say they have found the answer. Look for yourself.

I understand where this is going now. So, a fundamental particle can't just exist in the universe without a creator? What is the alternative theory? That a super-intelligent being can exist without a creator? WHY? How is that any better? What made god? We don't know what came before the universe, and we dont know why it is here. But that doesn't mean that we suddenly need to invent the theory that it exists via a magic act performed by a super intelligent being. How does that answer anything? Where did he come from? There does not have to be a creator. Because like you said, what made god? I am not trying to point you in that direction. You think you are talking with someone who believes that there is a higher-being. You are not. I just want you to think, what is before all of these forces and particles? I already provided you with an answer to that question: we don't know. So you make no guesses onto what it could be? That is great. Don't believe anything until you can be sure of it yourself. Now all you have to do is not give up on the question so fast. It's like you don't trust anything unless science tells you too.

I understand where this is going now. So, a fundamental particle can't just exist in the universe without a creator? What is the alternative theory? That a super-intelligent being can exist without a creator? WHY? How is that any better? What made god? We don't know what came before the universe, and we dont know why it is here. But that doesn't mean that we suddenly need to invent the theory that it exists via a magic act performed by a super intelligent being. How does that answer anything? Where did he come from? There does not have to be a creator. Because like you said, what made god? I am not trying to point you in that direction. You think you are talking with someone who believes that there is a higher-being. You are not. I just want you to think, what is before all of these forces and particles? And to people who believe in god, what is before god?

What are you talking about man? First of all lets set a few things straight. A chemical reaction happens between molecules, not between atoms. An atom is a particle that is composed of electrons, neutrons, and protons. These atoms will bond together to form molecules. The particles which compose atoms (electrons, protons, neutrons) are held together by a combination of the two nuclear forces and the electromagnetic force. These particles are composed of gluons, leptons, quarks, etc. These fundamental particles are currently thought of as existing of strings and superstrings. Did I answer your question? I don't quite understand what you are trying to even get at. Are you asking me how the fundamental particles of matter formed together to make the objects we see around us? I think that might be a tad difficult, seeing that you don't even have a basic understanding of the fact that atoms are not chemically reactive. What causes those strings to even exist? What causes nuclear forces to even exist? Even before they exist, what exists?

Deep down, I think it boils down to atomic interactions and chemical reactions in the brain, all emotions, memories and feelings. It is mechanical and purposeless, at the bottom. What is below those chemical reactions? What the HELL are you talking about? "Below" what? As chemical reactions between atoms are at the base of everything's existence, what is before even those reactions? Where do they originate from?

Deep down, I think it boils down to atomic interactions and chemical reactions in the brain, all emotions, memories and feelings. It is mechanical and purposeless, at the bottom. What is below those chemical reactions?

Cavefish time :)

Even beyond that, we need to drop all that we think we might know, or what we think is real. Then take a look at who we really are, and what everything really is...

Just like god is another interpretation of someone's perceptions. Yes, but that's not what people claim. People claim in a humanoid all-powerful deity with consciousness, sapience and the power to reason. It has created the universe through a thought process similar to humans. This kind of god is ridiculous, and it's the one I'm talking about. I agree, that to me that does not seem true at all. Though if someone were to believe this, and I could not persuade them otherwise, then I would just let them be with their belief.

Just like god is another interpretation of someone's perceptions.