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God must have told you that. Why don't I do what you do Tiagra in every situation. Proof Plz! ~Defender~

And you would know because...? You wouldn't know what faith was if it bumped into you on the street. :roll: Christians aren't stupid people (contrary to what you atheist believe). We belief because we see our faith work in our lives and the things it does to our lives, and how much it enhances it. And its not something I'd expect or presume you to understand, neither should I expect it. Why don't you try and explain it instead of acting like we are stupid and wouldn't understand. Seriosly, explain it to me to see if I get it or not. Refer to the sentence I wrote before the words you made bold and there's your answer. As said your not a believer or someone who has any faith, so its not something I could explain to you, neither would you understand if I tried. Just try. Give it a go. I don't mind if you get it wrong or flat out can't do it, just give it a go, seriously. You ought to be ale to explain how the faith works in your life and enhances it, otherwise your asserting you arent really sure. Things you are sure of you can explain, so just try and see if you can, if you want. Thats retarted of you. Have you not seen churchs and people on TV being healed through their faith? I'm pretty sure you got a kick out of it and said "thats fake".. I know I did, and i'm christian. As he said above, non-believers wouldn't understand, because they are spiritually dead and have no discernment in the spirit realm, as its in the Bible. Infact, once their was a unbeliever in God who had a disease all over his body and he was hospitalized. He prayed to God and ask him to heal him and what do you know, God did. But the preacher asked God "he didn't use his faith.. why did you heal him?" and God said "I hear the crys of the unbeliever because they have no faith." You cannot understand something you do not even accept. The first step of faith is accepting God exists. If you can't reach that step, explantion will never reach you. However if you still want to persist, stop being lazy and go read Hebrews 11:1. ~Defender~ Why do people continually assume that I would have to be an atheist and am therefore 'spiritually dead'? I am an open minded person, trust me and I don't outright not accept it at all. I'm an agnostic. So you can either just say 'sorry, I can't explain it to you becuase I don't know how' or actually give it a go and stop assuming I'm a satanic retart whose only motivation is to prove all christians wrong. I'll give that passage a read too. Seriously, stop assuming I wouldn't understand and try me. I want to hear it. I updated my post ^ Once again, if you want to learn about it, go to Hewbrews 11:1 and people assume you don't know because its in the Bible that unbelievers are spiritually dead. So we take your word, or we take Gods. Most would choose the latter. ~Defender~

And you would know because...? You wouldn't know what faith was if it bumped into you on the street. :roll: Christians aren't stupid people (contrary to what you atheist believe). We belief because we see our faith work in our lives and the things it does to our lives, and how much it enhances it. And its not something I'd expect or presume you to understand, neither should I expect it. Why don't you try and explain it instead of acting like we are stupid and wouldn't understand. Seriosly, explain it to me to see if I get it or not. Refer to the sentence I wrote before the words you made bold and there's your answer. As said your not a believer or someone who has any faith, so its not something I could explain to you, neither would you understand if I tried. Just try. Give it a go. I don't mind if you get it wrong or flat out can't do it, just give it a go, seriously. You ought to be ale to explain how the faith works in your life and enhances it, otherwise your asserting you arent really sure. Things you are sure of you can explain, so just try and see if you can, if you want. Thats retarted of you. Have you not seen churchs and people on TV being healed through their faith? I'm pretty sure you got a kick out of it and said "thats fake".. I know I did, and i'm christian. As he said above, non-believers wouldn't understand, because they are spiritually dead and have no discernment in the spirit realm, as its in the Bible. Infact, once their was a unbeliever in God who had a disease all over his body and he was hospitalized. He prayed to God and ask him to heal him and what do you know, God did. But the preacher asked God "he didn't use his faith.. why did you heal him?" and God said "I hear the crys of the unbeliever because they have no faith." You cannot understand something you do not even accept. The first step of faith is accepting God exists. If you can't reach that step, explantion will never reach you and be considered non-sense material. However if you still want to persist, stop being lazy and go read Hebrews 11:1 for yourself. Seriously, alot of people are always asking for proof in this forum in realms they firstly don't believe exists. You will never understand it till you accept its place in life. But instead i'm sure you'll ask for more proof or explanations. Here's a kicker for you, since you want explanations so much, and btw, we are the ones explaining FAITH to you, so we can't get it wrong because you don't even have a clue about it, otherwise, if you do, why are you asking us? This I would like to see. But anyways, in 2006, a preacher was on TV around January or Febuary. They was prophesising in the spirit.. and said they saw many many houses for people that was gonna get blessed with them. I lived in my house for over 10 years, it felt like we was NEVER going to get out. We was poorer than our family that lived around us, and they aren't how, how are we gonna get out??? I got depressed because of it.. thinking no way we can get out of this house.. November came and I am in a completely NEW house! Just today, my sisters car stoped working. Should I bring complaining to God? No, but of course, my parents and sister were having a bit of a argument. I told God and used my faith in the situation "lets just settle this right here God, we don't need all this fighting. I pray that my sister gets a good new car without any trouble". She walks into the dealership, leaves with a Crusier with NO down payment till two weeks later! Once again, I don't expect you to understand.. but God does exist and God acts to those who have Faith (otherwise they would just be disappointed when it doesn't happen and not use their faith ever again). So you can keep asking for Explanations of Faith, but when you can't even accept God, there is no way you can accept Faith either. ~Defender~

It IS about Binary ;). I thought it was 1011 but I got it wrong.. hints/tips? What hurts me is it doesn't give you a question.. so not only do you have to figure out the answer.. you have to figure out the question! ~Defender~ Each set of 4 numbers stands for a letter. :-$ . Don't think I can delve futher. Drats.. I knew I had it right.. but its 4 letters.. not 2. I don't know binary code so I don't know the 4 letters either.. google isn't help >.< Hmm try more I guess. This isn't kewl... I got "onnm" and it didn't work.. >.> ~Defender~

That wouldn't stop me from jacking it.. Rubber Suit ftw. Plus I hope this never comes to be.. you can't imagine how much you would hurt someone if these type of cars were in public hands. ~Defender~

It IS about Binary ;). I thought it was 1011 but I got it wrong.. hints/tips? What hurts me is it doesn't give you a question.. so not only do you have to figure out the answer.. you have to figure out the question! ~Defender~

Got it thanks to the hint above ^^ However i'm stuck on 5 now :( binary code consists of 8 numbers = 1 letter. So it appears to be 2 letters.. but I don't know which 2. ~Defender~

i don't get #3 at all.. can someone Pm me the answer.. its not giving me enough info to look for because there is no question >.< OMG! I GOT IT, NVM!! LOL great.. number 4 >.<... no question again. ~Defender~

I hope you get censored. Reguardless if people have "heard it" or not.. doesn't make it any more right for them to hear it again. gonpost, I disagree. While i'm glad you wasn't effected to much by it, that doesn't mean every kid in the same situation will take it like you did. Can you account for all the millions of children who may decide to take the word to heart? Everyone is a different person, everyone has different opinions, no one is the same, and no one takes the same conditions the same way. ~Defender~

Yes, computers and cell phones are a huge distraction into todays life. However, I never enjoyed guys or girl conversations at school. It was so vain. They was fighting over petty stuff. I am not saying people should not converse, but how about something alittle bit more intresting? Or something that matters? Why complain over insignificant things? I am one who spends far to much time on my computer at home, just recently I am reading all sorts of health books to make sure I have the knowledge to keep me in a healthy state. However, we can't point fingers just at Teens. Look at the knowledge we have.. and just imagine how much the government knows and keeps for themselfs. Our water is contaminated, our air is polluted and our land is 85% depleted of is nurtrients, so you won't find any in the food you eat. We are finding pesticides, metals, and all types of drugs banned in the 50's in the water systems. If your American, you are toxic. There is a lot of things that we put in our mouth, that we don't know what we are really eating. Inspite all the fast knowledge we get, we still end up spiralling down to destruction, inless we make the right choices. ~Defender~

Well mr. Defender, I respect you and all, but here you say, "I don't care what you think, because you disagree with me on a certain issue." Not cool. Not cool at all. -10 points on that one. I may as well say, "I don't care what you think, because you think incest is bad." I'm making just as much sense, and being just as smart, as you were, with this statement. (Besides, who in this thread ever said incest was good anyways? The consensus has been a NO on incest and a YES on homosexuality, it seems, except you and Xplsvbam, maybe a few others.) :shame: *Still Waiting 4 Real Debate and not some stuff kids make up in their mind* :shame: Once again.. if you think its right, you need your head examined.. Or why don't I say this.. show me evidence that its RIGHT. Then you will prove me wrong? No, Evidence is not someone's opinion on the situation.. I want hardcore evidence! And if you cannot provide it.. then why are you asking me to provide it when you can't even hold your own ground? ~Defender~

Ugh. I'm not saying there's evidence that Zeus exists. I'm saying that there's no possible way to ever say he doesn't exist. We can't ever know everything, especially not when it comes to supernatural debates. "You're on drugs". Cute. Anyways, did you even read the whole thing? I mean, it's practically impossible to not at least think there's something out there based on that data. What, are you some rebellious teenage atheist who's had too much "God" in her life from church, family and school? You seem stubborn to the extent of not even daring to look into the reasons why people believe in a God. It's like you're afraid to be proven wrong (not that I'm saying what I believe is 100% fact, it's no where close). I just got done finished reading that link you gave him/me. So because I just now finished reading it.. and he's already done writing his whole lot on why its not true.. I'm assuming he did not read the link you gave him.. or just a few lines.. Pity.. And you know what, I was listening to Kenneth Copeland a few days ago, and Don Colbert was mentioning the EXCATE same thing.. how they figured out what crystals do when exposed to all sorts of things like this. Man, me wants to order the book! ~Defender~

Again, whoever says you're a moron or whatever for believing in God, is quote honestly that themselves. There's nothing wrong in believing in a deity, you can't prove or disprove one, so if you have faith then go for it. It's not illogical or naive. However, the Bible, just like the Hindu scriptures or Qur'an, cannot be taken as fact for the creation of the world. There is no other contradiction. The Bible and other 'holy books' can contain good moral codes and ethics which apply almost always. But they do contain a lot of obvious fiction which should be faced with at least skepticism (the creation of the world in seven days, people walking on water, angels descending from nothing, virgin births)... Even if you don't, you should keep in mind many of the most important religious figures in the world don't take the Bible as absolute truth. Many cardinals, even the former pope John Paul warned people about the dangers of taking the entire Bible as truth. Maybe you probably mis-interpreted what he meant? I think he was probably saying don't take the Bible Literally due to all the metaphors in it. Like when Jesus said eat his flesh. ~Defender~

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despiers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." Timothy II 3:1 People here will always tell you that the world has been this way, which it has not! They will tell you there has always been hazzardous times (which their has) but not as bad as we have it! Our Air is polluted, our Water is polluted even after being filtered, our food has tons of bad chemicals resulting in 66% of America being obese. Our Government is corupted, and Runescape kids are huge boasters! Those who say its a mental problem are blind to the reality of the situation! "no the worlds not bad.. only 852 Million people starve every day inspite we have food.. I don't consider that bad". Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~Defender~

Wow.. what the hell are you people smoking? It must be something real good to think "omgz, i can get it on with my sister". Do you think this body was created to act that way? Do you not think that animals that do it, it is because they only act on instict or have a gentic disorder themselfs? How can one say a DISORDER is ORDER? "Its okay if timmy is that way.. its his gentic code". WRONG. You always have the choice what you do in life, thats what we as human beings have over animals, concience and choice. People want a serious discussion, but they seriously need to grow up first.. go up to any adult man or woman in REAL LIFE and ask them if they accept it.. and not cower behind the internet, and i'm sure you will get a totally different response. ~Defender~

Another point, is dinosaurs. The bible does in fact mention mythological beasts, whether it is talking about dinosaurs or not is irrelivent. It wouldn't make sense if they had big days, as the bible includes sentences such as "he travelled for X days" If in fact, the days back then were big enough to account for the billions of years this earth has been around for, in this 'X days' he would have been dead in the first day. Fossils are billions of 'today's years' old, but apparently the bible is 6000 years old. I explained above about the argument about different sized days cannot be true, so if you believe in the bible, you cannot believe in dinosaurs. Which have been proven, you might as well not believe in gravity. There have been many religions over the centuries. Each religion can be baught down to 2 reasons, one of which is morals. The other reason is to explain what science and technology can't. One example is the ancient egyptions. They did not have the science and technology to know how the sun rose and set, it appeared to them to move across the sky. So they invented a god that moved the sun across the sky. Today we know that is [cabbage], and the Earth revolves around the sun - which is why it appears to move across the sky. We know this because of the science and technology we have today. Lets briefly compare a story of the bible, to a religious story we have today. The sun moving across the sky in ancient egypt, and jesus being the son of god. They both took true facts. There was really a man called jesus who claimed to be the son of god. And the sun does in fact appear to move across the sky. And then turned them into stories to explain what science and technology can't. A god passes through 12 gates, fights a serpent and carries the sun across the sky, and A man called Jesus claimed to be the son of god and performed mericles. (sp) My question: How is the Ancient Egyptions religion, which we all know is rubbish, any different to the stories in the bible? There are in fact still people today who believe in ancient religions, because of faith even though they are wrong, and that is all that christianity is. (Note: for those of you who think I read all your garbage about me (except for lance, he's kewl), I did not, I could care less about your opinion) As for staying on topic, since its about God anyway, and not science.. and many have derailed this topic into another yet again.. "Does God exist? No, no evidence.." thread.. here's my opinion on it. I believe God exists reguardless of what evidence says against it. My Evidence is that, that is not seen. If you read Hebrew 11, it says that Faith is the evidence and substance of things not seen. So when we say we have Faith in God, Faith is our Evidence. Sounds arrogant? Only in Science it does, but in the Bible, faith is the evidence. Hate on it all you want, I deal with plenty of members at work in the same way.. who pull fits over it but that doesn't change that the answer is no. Reguardless.. if you can't tell, i'm not in a very good mood day and could care less what your evidence says about my God or what you think of me as a person.. because your no better. ~Defender~

Yeah, if you want to continue the debate. If you don't, simply leave the thread. There are plenty of other people. I'm convinced on anything as long as it's rational and there's proof. If you aren't, you're stubborn. I like to be a realist, I don't view thing how I like them to be, I view them how they are. If somebody can prove me wrong in any subject, I always accept the reality of the situation. I recently thought it's not possible for a 2-year old to be able to read, guess what: It is. I got sufficient proof on another forum, saw a document on it with the child involved, what is there left to debate? If there was proof islam, christianity or whatever was the 'true' religion, don't you think everybody would follow them? Wouldn't it be good if all humans had a future after their lives, and there was a simple explanation to the origin of life? Who wouldn't want that? I would. But that's just a belief, and beliefs without facts have no merit. If I should pick between dumb faith and what can be observed, I pick the latter. I use what I know to refer information between debates (who doesn't?) However, the Bible is not considred "proof" in threads which is where most of my information comes from. No, I don't read Science books to know what chemicals can create, its not in my intrest, but the bible is. However, just because tis not Evidence, I can't use scriptures because then, most people will just say "eh, some old dude 2k years ago wrote that.. you HAVE NOTHING!" But this is what I do know, Jesus said the the most important commandent was love and love thy neighbor.. Right? So I'm suppose to follow this, while at the same time, enduring noobism, LOL, idiot, fool, I love incest morality, Defender you suck, insert creative insult here, and more. Honestly, some things in life that are common sense are no longer considered common sense and are being questioned as if it really is right. I base my life and foundation on the Bible and its principals on how I should live my life.. but I can't come in here and say anything because its not "evidence". And you know whats happening because of it? Just watch the news. ~Defender~

The reason being why I am not being serious about it.. is a few.. 1. You cannot convince anyone. 2. Most people who use Science, rather use it to disprove God than to prove him. And if anyone trys to, their nuts. So you want me to become a Science man.. waste my time.. just to say "your wrong, here's why", which leads back to point 1. You cannot convince anyone. 3 3. Superiority. I am no better than anyone here.. but i noticed most users who have learned somethign in their life time come off thinking their some brilliant scientist when they got all their information probably from watching TV. Too much "lol your a noob cuz you don't know.." 4. The same. As many forums I have been in, its always the same. You got the christian, the athiest, and the science nut. Usually it seems that athiests and science are on the same side, leaving the christian to be doubled teamed with all kinds of flames. 5. They believe in incest, nuff said. If people want me to take them seriously, they shouldn't ask for proof on every little thing. My god, if you need a website coder from a offical source, which the government sets up to tell YOU that incest is wrong or right, you have issues. So.. the point is.. why should I be serious when it will all lead down to 1 thing. The incest Scientist who believes killing is A OK and no God isn't real, thinks your a moron because you don't know what carbon is, which proves God doesn't exist.. and all your praise and worship is in vain because Science is superior.. I coudl go on and on and on.. But the simple fact is.. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW JACK. They come on these forums acting like they found the book of life and know how everythign happened, and then go on a rant on how their giong to critize EVERYONE because they don't know. Its always the same on the forums. You can't convince, debating is vain, and the world will continue its course reguardless of what anyone's opinions is. So.. why do you want me to take the subject seriously? Or should I start looking up some websites "for evidence" sake? ~Defender~

Why do you think we would know???? ~Defender~

I do not find anything wrong with incest. I do find it wrong for two closely related people to attempt to create a child, as statistically the chances for a disorder are high, but I really don't see anything morally wrong with incest. So it's weird, we get that, just because our society has taught us to think it's weird doesn't mean it's morally wrong in any way, shape, or form. And the fact that you don't even have enough evidence to convince yourself shows that you're point is weak beyond comparison. Omg dude, you believe in incest but you won't get it down with me? Is it cuz i'm white? I can change.. ! Okay, here you go, I took the time to fill out a order form to put you in the mental institution program. It helps you cope with reality. Enjoy. ~Defender~ Are you 11 years old? Grow up and learn how to function as a proper human being. Seriously, I am yet to see an argument from you that is strong or based on any logical reasoning in any way. Prove me wrong. What? You don't know? that a logical reasoning human being has incest 20 times a year? The number is rising drasticly and we need to stop it.. oh wait, got no proof, continue it! wootz. Yes I am 11, if that makes you feel better. sorry I don't got any man made quotes to please your senses in the brain that i'm not a illogical freak. My bad! Maybe i'll use science to change that someday! Anyone know some fake websites I can find by some kid that proves me right? I need sources people!!! ~Defender~

I do not find anything wrong with incest. I do find it wrong for two closely related people to attempt to create a child, as statistically the chances for a disorder are high, but I really don't see anything morally wrong with incest. So it's weird, we get that, just because our society has taught us to think it's weird doesn't mean it's morally wrong in any way, shape, or form. And the fact that you don't even have enough evidence to convince yourself shows that you're point is weak beyond comparison. Omg dude, you believe in incest but you won't get it down with me? Is it cuz i'm white? I can change.. ! Okay, here you go, I took the time to fill out a order form to put you in the mental institution program. It helps you cope with reality. Enjoy. ~Defender~

'Cmon dude, that's pathetic. At least say why you believe what you believe. Honestly, have you even convinced yourself yet? The thing is, just because 1 doesn't have evidence.. doesn't make it right. YOU need evidence that incest is wrong???????/ Hello?!??? Am I the only 1 here? The world has left the building. You must think incest is right.. because you don't have no evidence that its wrong, right? So lets see.. dude is saying incest is right.. otherwise he wouldn't ask for evidence.. but doesn't take me out on a date.. OMG, I am a reject! *cries* ~Defender~

So what are your arguments and points against incest? I'm not talking about genetic disorder problems, I'm referring to the idea of simply "liking" a relative. What is your reason for finding this immoral/wrong? And don't say it's against nature; you already screwed yourself over for that point. Oh i can't think of any.. maybe you should make love to me now.. just because I don't have any based evidence.. 12 o clock.. your place? ~Defender~

Morals are rules to govern or restrain one for attempting a action that he/she believes is corrupted or bad. I seriously laugh at people that think being gay is good just because its in nature. Okay, so let me get this right.. People say were highly intelligent beings.. that we really control nature through our knowledge of it.. but because nature has gay frogs, we should be gay too... Right..... You really need to be in a mental institution if you think incest is in ANY WAY a good thing to do! ~Defender~

I'm not a science nut. I'm not even an atheist. Still I think you're one of the most ignorant posters on this thread, you're rejecting evidence. What's evidence? An apple is red. This was seen by 6 billion people, everybody can see it's red. That's evidence. The world war II did happen. 500 million old people remember fighting in it even if you weren't alive. They all have no reason to lie. There's video tapes, there's photographs. That's evidence. The world was created in about 4.57 billion years. Read about it. That page has been edited by scholars with over 30 years of experience. Edit it if you feel like you're right. Negative, Evidence on Mans Best Guesses. Is a apple red? Yes 6 billion can agree. Did World War 2 happen? Yes, 6 billion can agree. Is the world billions of years old? Uhh.. a few dozen peeps can agree.. ~Defender~