MidnightHarvester

Tower shields no, logically should NOT give any offensive bonus at all. They are made to block blows from the enemy, nothing more (maybe keep the rain off your head). Look at the Obby Shield, it is [bleep]ed...a smaller more versatile shield which could also be used to "smite" into an enemy as well as deflecting blows. Less defense then a Dragon Square with an added attack bonus - exactly as it should be (attack as in providing a tactical advantage to attack the enemy, not ATTACK stat...I had to say that, people are naive here). Defenders follow the same pattern. The only defense comes from the ability to parry incoming blows, and it is obviously used as an offhand offensive weapon as well, even more so then an Obby Shield. If anything, the Dragon Square should provide a MUCH greater defense value then it does now. There is no reason having something so rare (as a drop at least) become completely written off as merely a decorative armor piece now. As rare as the drop is anyways, value could EASILY been restored if the Dragonfire shield included the much rarer square instead of a shield which is freely obtainable. The "visage" itself should have provided the protection from the dragons' breath and the extra bonuses.

Most intelligent post I've seen in ages. Couldn't agree more.

Origami balloons people...origami balloons.

There might have been an update with the spiritual ranger drops. I've had my fair share of these as slayer assignments so I know what to normally expect from them, but then again this could have been an extremely lucky fluke. ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ The bowstring that they drop is now noted (a good thing, I always wished to myself that it was) ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Occasionally, the oak longbows(u)(12) will drop noted as well, as well as dropping in unnoted form.

Yeah I don't think I ever did that before the so called fix. It's always drained prayer when I do it, but if you get the timing down it just drains it extremely so, meaning one prayer point can last for a few dragons. I'm interested in knowing what it was like before Jagex fixed anything...did it just never drain your prayer at all?

With the gloves on, the selling price will lower and the buying price will raise. This only works at the weapon/armor shop and the gem shop though and not the rune shop. The selling price for runes will always be the same (from what I remember). While wearing the Karamja gloves, an onyx will cost you 260k tokkul instead of the normal 300k. If you sell an obsidian cape with the gloves on, you will get slightly over 20k tokkul.

You know that a 99 cape untrimmed is the same as an obby cape, right? Just a bit weird how the 2nd best, and 4th best capes have the same stats. I'm writing this purely without a notion of monetary value. NOT TRUE. Trimmed cape has a prayer bonus...obby dosn't? Major differnceover here... He said UNTRIMMED skillcape. Read before you post. Must I state the obvious... A skillcape costs 99k. How much does an obby cost? 200-300k And skillcape is cooler and easier to buy. -- BTW, for MidnightHarvester, I think ur post is kidna hijacking, but idk. Also, how long ago was your vid made? That trick no longer works. I wasn't trying to hijack anyone's thread and sorry if it seems that way. I edited the post and taken out the method I use. There are many metal dragon guides out, and I wanted to give another method that exists for meleeing that I have never seen written out anywhere and that I have up until now only shared to a few friend. Maybe it's something unique that could be put into the guide to make it stand out. As far as this method not working anymore, I just made that video at the end of last week. The better you get at timing when to turn it on and off affects how much prayer will be drained. That's how I do almost all of my slayer tasks.

That doesn't work any more, Jagex changed it so it'll drain prayer now anyway. OT: Very nice guide. Well written, original topic and -best of all- useful. It still works ... works like a charm to be exact. Just filmed this not that long ago.

Edited...sorry, I wasn't trying to hijack anybody's thread. Was just showing a unique method that could have been added to make the guide more unique.

Your input is utterly pointless... -.- I mean, really who cares? On topic; This update is long over-due. Many players have fallen subject to scams and been unable to report them because their name consists of both O's and 0's ...Sorry for expressing my opinion :roll: This Forum is to post constructive rants, replied to with constructive criticism. That post was not constructive, nor helpful. You seem to be making use of the Copy/Paste function, as you've posted the same the same thing on about 4 different posts. And you happen to think this rant is about anything constructive? A rant complaining about a zero? Of all things... I could understand maybe if they made the zero look like a giant pink fluffy glowing doughnut with advertisements flashing around the sides of it for Nike Rune Jordans...HELL YEAH now see that might go somewhere. It's a number, the number zero has appeared like that for ages. I swear if Jagex changed the login screen so that the input text box for the username was shifted over by 5 pixels to the left of where it normally would be, someone would be fighting to log into their forum of choice to say how completely ugly or wrong it looks. They don't have an emoticon for how hard I am laughing at reading that people actually care so much over a zero. Looks just as good to me...I can still make out that it's a zero just like I always have been. It doesn't interfere with anything at all. Not like it's strange to look at I see zeros that look like that daily elsewhere... =D> :thumbsup: Continue with the quality rants! :thumbsup: =D>

Anyone who has ever mined iron at the gates to Pictoris will see implings constantly. There are spawns over there. One is in the woods just north west of the iron ore. When I powermine iron I go there with a net and impling jar and hunting potion. I have caught everything from baby implings to dragon implings there, and a new one spawns soon after I catch one. What spawns is random. There is a greater chance a lower level impling will spawn, but anything is possible. There's another good spot near the yew and magic trees in the gnome stronghold. They are strategically placed in areas people train other skills at. I love how some people are masters at throwing random figures in the air.

Master Smither, calm the hell down, it is only an altar that gives an alternative way to train...there is no CRAZY EXP gains going on here. If you think 20k-30k exp per hour is making the runecrafting cape cheap then that's a personal issue on your part. In every Z.M.I. altar post you are the poster boy of the person having a ridiculously unfounded rant over something but apparently not giving any reason. You do realize this is not the pest control of runecrafting don't you? Are you working for a company going out of business over this or something? You seem like a smart guy so I don't think that's the case...maybe you work in a company that might be hurt by this update? I don't get how working for a company or crafting here is any different...you are paying or mining your pure essence and crafting it. The experience is comparable ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ your rant is what exactly again? Have you bothered reading through Qeltar's VERY thorough thread that is hanging near this one in the forum? All the data presented there is completely comparable to what I have experienced. I never heard you crying about any of the companies people worked for Master...

I like this altar. I don't like having to join into a business (and the insane nonsense that goes on behind closed doors...if you have been there you know what I'm talking about) or hire runners just to level something at a decent rate. This has just given an opportunity to level runecrafting to it's potential without relying on runners or having to stand around wearing a "shop" uniform. For profit, use the abyss. For experience, use the Z.M.I. altar. For insanity, use a Runecrafting official world "shop". "But those who worked harder for it deserve the recognition more and this will just make more capes and make it easier for everyone to get" ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ False. Those with a high level or 99 already (most) have used runners and have gotten the same/greater experience per hour. This is still a slow skill to level which many people will just not have the patience for, it's not like you can pull in 200k experience an hour here. Runecrafting in my opinion has just became more rich and fully textured with the addition of newer ways to level. This update is not the Pest Control or Pyramid Plunder of runecrafting, so do not fear. Edit: Meaning, if the point was lost...there will always be people crafting for profit and not merely only experience so no I don't think this is much of a blow to Runecrafting Pk'ers at all. I think they will need to step their game up though because those who are easier to kill will most likely be leveling at the Z.M.I.

Runes You can not use the alter without completing LD. It is a Moon clan alter. The altar belongs to the Zamarok Mage Institute (hence Z.M.I.), not the moon clan. The moon clan only has unlocked a rift allowing access there via teleport. Completing Lunar Diplomacy only allows access to this rift. The altar is for all to use.

Yeah put me in that category of those who have killed them since the day of the update and the most I ever got was ONE dragon skirt... I'm getting rather jaded on getting any good drops...anywhere...oh no let me take that back I can get you 10 lava battle staffs a day, where to spend all the money at :wall: I wouldn't waste my time hunting them too long for a visage if I was you. Go there for slayer tasks if you want to, go there to level mage or range or prayer...hell go there in hope of a dragon skirt or leg drop. Just don't go there thinking you will get a visage. You might sure, seems a lot of people get them but also seems a lot of the same people who try daily to get one come out with nothing, when those who go down there for the first time get a good drop or visage. In Diablo II I could farm Hell Meph all day long and the drop rate system made more sense. Here it seems if you log out then back on it will affect what you get, or how many people are logged in, or if you cleaned the house...hell I don't know... Good luck. Edit: I don't want to hear the system is random, I'm starting to really believe it isn't. All day today I had the same two slayer tasks back to back. I would get 150-199 brine rats assigned...and if I did those or burthoped I would get 159 Jungle Horrors. Now I always Burthope those. Well, the same two tasks continued all day until earlier when I stopped with slayer. I hopped worlds, I did the tasks, I skipped them, I went to Chaeldar and did one of hers then went back....no still got 159 Jungle Horrors every other time and then brine rats. Very random, the odds of that happening with all the other combination of slayer monsters to choose from is about as rare as getting a visage... HA no visage but I gave up on slayer... As you can see not a good day...Ok I'm done feeling better now that thats out :P Night All!