jonavolaii

I would like to add a few tips: I myself got in the top 100 during the first week (made 4m off zerkers too hehe :P) and I was a level 60 F2P with 0 PvP experience! (I didn't use ranged or magic either, melee was everything) Tip 1: Save your orb Once I was level 60, going up against a level 126... I was toast :) But I decided not to use my teleport orb during my hunted move, and it payed off, when he did the edgy I teleported too, now the trick with the arrow also works the other way, cause either he thought that arrow was over him, or he didn't notice it, and pretty soon I saw a little yellow "WTF?" come from the middle of the crowd, I beat him 4k to 1k, he never used a bandage, or a prayer, and I got 43 points :D Tip 2: Righthanders are predictable Righthanded people prefer to push a mouse a specific way, I haven't played in a while, but this results in 1 out of 4 cases going... (I think it was clockwise) because of the ease of starting off one way. If you suspect wallhugging, go the other way (damnit, I need to remember lol, will do research later) if you are a hunter, then after half a rotation, if you havent seen him, head the other way. If you are a hunted you want to go the same way as the hunter, which is probably (clockwise?) The reason people do this is because they prefer pushing (up and right?) and only 2 of the 8 starting points make it go the other way... Tip 3: Guess who? Finding out weather you are the hunter or the hunted is a big help, gives you 5 seconds to equip/setup that your opponent doesn't have... The game doesn't outright tell you which one you are until the 5 second timer is over, but if you are the hunted, there will be a distinct line in the game message window, if you are hunter, not. I'm sure there are more but I forgot them all lol :P

ok! back again! Why doesnt this work?: for count, (skill, stat) in (stats,stats_table): ValueError: too many values to unpack

I remember doing this at 60 agility, back before the days of enchanted excalibur, resting, etc... And without pots too :) I spent all day on it, but falling that many times just gave me a good view of the puzzle (Which wasn't that hard... really...) So no, temple of light isn't that hard, just pot up to the requirements and bring a lot of summer pies :) Underground pass with 54 agility was much harder than this with 60, so meh...

I thought you werent lol... Ive had trouble with vista running in compatibility mode... even with fixes... And linux came to the rescue :) To avoid a "Flame for fun" fest... Will compile a small windows exe for you potential users, its very much concept stage, but imagine the endgame where its got everything swiftkit has, faster, better... Ok, so thats a long way off :P Anyway, will incorporate this, and resurrect post when further assistance needed :)

Thanks! Found it! Now I want to split the string into an array (first by spaces for each skill/stat, then by commas for each value), so how do I get xp till next level? Make a list with xp values and then feed it the level value to find the xp at next level and subtract? stats.split(" ") foreach(stat in stats) stats[stat] = stat.split(",") stat.append(stat[1] - xp_per_level[stat[0]])

I am building an open source knock-off of swiftkit, mainly cause they are vendor locked to windows... It is being built on GTK (Hooray for linux/mac! down with ms!), and python. After a few days of building the GUI and bug-solving I've come to the real work... getting it to do something. I need a short & sweet python script to find the highscores data (Not the HTML data, the long-lost syndicated data) and load it into the famous skills table. Anyone know how to get it? (I can't even find the page with the data on it never mind use an app to grab it)

Anyone played 9dragons? the pigeonogram works the same way, and it works great... just make sure the messages come out the other side in english, not all question marks like 9d -.-

support :thumbup:

Actually, 3 months is the time it would take to learn how, after that its easy street... As for hacking Jagex, thats only one of the suggestions, they could write mem-loggers (think of them as the opposite of a trainer) and lots of other stuff to get to your account itsself... but once they get into jagex database, they could delete everyone and give themselves 200mil xp in everything in under a minute... nice little thing that could work with a little modification... DELETE FROM users WHERE name != "Hackersname"; UPDATE users SET "XPPrayer", "XPAttack", ect = 200000000 WHERE name = "Hackersname"; // Or they could just do: DROP DATABASE logindata; I'm sure you can imagine what anyone with access and a will for destruction could do in 10 seconds... scary stuff... imagine if they also found the backups :ohnoes: (little note, anyone saying they hack jagex and edit their levels are liars, there are no "Levels" only XP, although there are temporary boosts, these are like 1, 2, 3, -1, -2, -3)

Really? I'll have to check that out. I thought that .gif gave a low filesize too, but a lower quality. Like to make a note... Gif only uses 256 colors but it has 256 degress of transparency and multiple frames too... Jpeg was made for photos, and when you set it to max quality, it is usually better quality than png... unfortunatley, most things automatically save at 85 - 95% quality... its all about the formulas... I like DivX, just krank it up to max quality and you've got yourself a nice vid... Screw hypercam... I see so many noobs (no offence any modern day durials out there >.> ) who make a good film, only to have it ruined with a big "Unregistered Hypercam" stuck in the corner... hypercam sucks resources, and sticks that in, and usually can't run for more than 10 minutes without force saving (at least on my pc) I use Camstudio... lightweight, easy, no annoying boxes, and even better, IT CAN RECORD SOUND! so all that "Theme music" everyone hates can become background music instead of the film's bane... Catch my drift?

I'd like to say that AVG is good, but extremely resource heavey.. .they all are nowadays... norton for example takes about 30% proccessor and ram while its not even doing anything! I prefer antivir... VERY low footprint... I can play runescape again :D

It's very important to check the link BEFORE you click it, its possible with javascript to stick an image of the text "http://runescape.com" over the actual adress bar, or even change the text, in the latter case, the website could look ABSOLUTLEY like the official site, even the address bar... So watch out, if something doesn't seem right, right-click, go to properties ("view page info" for firefox), and check out where the page comes from... trust me, its not that hard to replicate the runescape website to the letter...

Its great that they gave us some more bankspace, but seriously, it takes a lot of work for a (reasonably tidy) member to fill up his bank, even 3/4 full, than it takes f2pers to keep all their stuff... This shows that you can't just say f2pers don't need the space, they need it much more than members... Also, I'm just coming out of my first month members... I just hit 300 items in my bank (How did he do that you ask...) and I have no intention of spending 1 day and 50k on getting back all the stuff I would have to drop/destroy to get all the way back down to 68 (i can't believe i ever made that... f2p life seemed so much simpler...) Yes, I agree it should go up, honestly, to equal the usage percentage, f2pers should have like 100 slots, but we all know that's never going to happen... And even if it does, the amount of members slots would go up too so the ratio would still be false... I also suggest members who are about to lose their membership get all their members items stored in "frozen bankspace" so that they can still use the bank but retain only 68 slots (or if there were simply too many p2p items to fit in the frozen space, that then they would be put in normal space too... preferably the least valuable tradable ones first...) In the end Jagex needs to make a percentage change, otherwise it will never be fair... end of story, stop whining for more bankspace and whine for less bankspace: for members! then when jagex decides p2p needs more, you will be treated fairly...

I can see you don't really understand what really happens at higher levels... most of the cash spent on expensive items is money wasted... God swords cost 60m for armadyll... doesn't help much when dd++ gives possibly more dmg per second... And that for a whopping 59.96m less price! Can you see the problem here? Something costing 50b (which is impossible, an integer value (like what java uses) only goes up to 2.14bill...) would not be worth nearly that much... and please note, that some of the most rich players in runescape don't even have level 30... they just skilled their runecrafting to level 96... So you would want a level 30 owning lvl 138's? I didn't think so... Just close this thread and get that ridiculous picture out of you sig #-o not to be rude or anything...

Login pin: yes Turn off numbers on mouse-over: Yes May I make a notice? Seeing as lag happens on many computers, this could still prove fatal... The screenshot could be taken before the client even thinks about removing the numbers... Saying, for example, the user can't click until all the numbers are gone is not very effective because, although the game may not allow it to be considered a click, the system will, and the keylogger could take a screenie, and record where the mouse coordinates are, and then find out which one you wanted to press... Also, remember that, especially in the pre-logon state of the client, there is very little memory usage... Anyone with a vengance and 3 months training could write a mem-logger that would wait for runescape to start up, and scan a certain object ("pincode" object if you will) for changes every tenth second, record the changes, and have an exact record of the numbers, which, quite frankly would be more effective than screenshots, although probably not for noob programmers (like me, this is all hypothetical, please don't call me a hacker...) Probably a lot simpler but equally deadly would be a single form that "Overlaps" the pincode form... It waits for you to open the pincode form, then records (in video or this method) the clicks... what it does is follow a predetermined path, and then scans the real buttons underneath it and also inputs the data in there... this means you are clicking on the logger, which "Clicks" on runescape and sends the data to the hacker as well... Basically, screenies arent the only way, even though they *could* foil full removal of numbers... you would have to scan for mem-loggers, which can read it invisibly, without even doing noticeably more work... it could take months to find one of those... Invisible forms or visible forms mimicking the pin-form should also be held in consideration... In other ways, you will never get your account secure... Runescape itself is hacked daily, although the hackers are then banned... then they do it again... then they get banned again, and so forth... no-one knows how to, because the hackers either keep it to themselves, or their methods have already been discovered... I'm all for beter protection, but if someone *really* wants to get your password or pin? all they have to do is look up the same backdoor they always use... To sum it all up, in the words of Dr. Demento: Give up

Definitley! (The fact im going for 99 fm has nothing to do with my choice in this matter :roll: )

All mmorpgs have huge logs of all activity, usually including your in game positioning over the last year or so (coordinates aren't that big) and a good long list of your conversations... Hell, some universities phsyciatric deparment conducted research off jagexes logs of runescape 2 years ago, that should tell you something...

Good idea I support! Are you kidding? You must be from the gower family or something... You were kidding right?

We already have something like that: granite... face it f2p is not gonna get any new content till christmas...

uhm... ok... havent been here in a while... everythings changed... not to mention vbulliten...

Then perhaps its ironic enough? I find it very funny seeing as I had just started Between a rock 2 minutes beforehand...

Not yet... I cant walk... I really am... between a rock... Anyway, I think im gonna sit there and invite freinds to the talking rock... whadaya say? (Yes it is me, had a little account trouble...)

This shows nothing but Micro evolution, the amount of toes shows degeneration in the genetics, the size is just another Genetic variable and furthermore, the smallest in this 'series' has been identified as a Procyon lotor, A racoon. Ah yes, sorry about that I wanted to ask you if you could put them down in a list because I don't know where they are in that site. Faith is believing something without a rock hard foundation. Because there is no proof for either of the theories, both creationists and evolutionists have great faith in what they believe.

Former evolutionists [*:377m9g26]Dr. Arthur E. Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. 4 A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design. (Chemist, Ph.D. in physical organic chemistry at University of Reading, England (1941), Dr.es.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) in Zurich, D.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from University of Geneva (1964), F.R.I.C. (Fellow of the Royal Institute of Chemistry), Professorships held at numerous institutions including: University of Illinois Medical School Center (Visiting Full Professor of Pharmacology, 1959-61, received 3 "Golden Apple" awards for the best course of lectures), University of Geneva School of Medicine, University of Bergen (Norway) School of Medicine, Hacettepe University (Ankara, Turkey) Medical School, etc., Former Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company, Presented the 1986 Huxley Memorial Lecture at the invitation of the University of Oxford, Author or co-author of over 70 scientific publications and more than 30 books published in 17 languages, NATO three-star general, Lecturer, Dr. Wilder-Smith was featured in an award-winning film/video series called ORIGINS: How the World Came to Be (shown widely throughout North America, Australia, and televised nationally in South Africa, Russia, and throughout the former Soviet Union).) [*:377m9g26]Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist, Ed.D. from Ball State University in biology with a cognate in geology and paleontology, American Society of Zoologists, Former Chairman of the Biology Department of the Institute for Creation Research, Former Chairman of the Natural Science Department at Christian Heritage College, Former head of the Science Department at Clearwater Christian College, Clearwater, Florida, Lecturer for Answers in Genesis) [*:377m9g26] Creditable Creationists of which the former status is unknown (List uncomplete) [*:377m9g26]600+ voting scientists of the Creation Research Society (voting membership requires at least an earned master's degree in a recognized area of science). 150 Ph.D. scientists and 300 other scientists with masters degrees in science or engineering are members of the Korea Association of Creation Research. [*:377m9g26]Gerald E. Aardsma (physicist and radiocarbon dating) [*:377m9g26]Louis Agassiz (helped develop the study of glacial geology and of ichthyology) [*:377m9g26]Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc., Former vice-president of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences Institute for Ecology Research.) [*:377m9g26]Steven A. Austin (geologist and coal formation expert, M.S. in geology from San Jose State University, B.S. in geology from the University of Washington, Consulting geologist for government and industry, Member: Geological Society of America, American Association of Petroleum Geologists, the Society for Sedimentary Geology, the International Association of Sedimentologists, Author of numerous papers including publication in the peer-reviewed journal International Geology Review (1999), Chairman of the Geology Department, Institute for Creation Research Graduate School) [*:377m9g26]Charles Babbage (helped develop science of computers / developed actuarial tables and the calculating machine) [*:377m9g26]Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method) [*:377m9g26]Thomas G. Barnes (physicist, D.Sc. from Hardin-Simmons University (1950), Professor emeritus of Physics and Director Schellenger Research Laboratories of Texas Western College of the University of Texas at El Paso, Former consultant to Globe Universal Sciences, Inc. in El Paso, Former research physicist at Duke University (1942-45), M.S. degree from Brown University (1936) while studying under the famous physicist R.B. Lindsay, Director of many important research projects on terrestrial magnetism and atmospheric physics, Published various scientific papers and textbooks, Member of the Editorial Board of the Creation Research Society Quarterly) [*:377m9g26]Robert Boyle (helped develop sciences of chemistry and gas dynamics) [*:377m9g26]Wernher von Braun (pioneer of rocketry and space exploration) [*:377m9g26]David Brewster (helped develop science of optical mineralogy) [*:377m9g26]Arthur V. Chadwick (Biologist and Geologist, Ph.D. in Molecular Biology from University of Miami (1969), Professor of Biology and Geology at Southwestern Adventist College, Keene, Texas, Appeared in the motion picture: The Fossil Record) [*:377m9g26]Melvin Alonzo Cook (Physical Chemist, Ph.D. in physical chemistry from Yale University (1937), M.A. University of Utah (1934), Nobel Prize nominee {Nitro Nobel Gold Medalist, Swedish Academy, Stockholm (1969)} Professor of Metallurgy at the University of Utah (1947-70), Explosives expert and Director of the Explosives Research Institute at the University of Utah, Founder (1958) and President (1962-72) and Chairman (1962-1974) of IRECO Chemicals in Salt Lake City, Chairman of Cook Slurry Company, Resident chemist at E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. (1937-47), Chairman of Cook Associates, Inc. (1973-?), Chemistry Pioneer Award, American Institute of Chemists (1973), E.V. Murphree Gold Medalist Award, American Chemical Society (1968), Loomis Award from Yale University (1937)) [*:377m9g26]Georges Cuvier (helped develop sciences of comparative anatomy and vertebrate paleontology) [*:377m9g26]Humphry Davy (helped develop science of thermokinetics) [*:377m9g26]Donald B. DeYoung (physicist, specializing in solid-state, nuclear science and astronomy, Ph.D. in physics from Iowa State University, M.S. in physics from Michigan Technical University, B.S. in physics from Michigan Technological University, Member: Indiana Academy of Science, Published articles in The Journal of Chemistry and Physics of Solids, The Journal of Chemical Physics, and Creation Research Society Quarterly, Editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly (March 1989 - March 1994), Author of various books, including: The Moon: Its Creation, Form and Significance, Weather and the Bible, and Voyage to the Planets., Chairman, Physical Science, Grace College, Winona Lake, Indiana) [*:377m9g26]Henri Fabre (helped develop science of insect entomology) [*:377m9g26]Michael Faraday (helped develop science of electromagnetics / developed the Field Theory / invented the electric generator) [*:377m9g26]Danny R. Faulkner (astronomer, Ph.D. and M.A. in Astronomy, Indiana University, M.S. in Physics from Clemson University, B.S. in Math from Bob Jones University, Professor at the University of South Carolina, Lancaster (physics and astronomy), Associate Professor of Astronomy at the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School, Published more than two dozen papers in various astronomy and astrophysics journals) [*:377m9g26]Ambrose Fleming (helped develop science of electronics / invented thermionic valve) [*:377m9g26]Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist, D.Sc. (honorary) from Columbia Union College, M.S. in Physics from University of Florida, Graduate work at Georgia Institute of Technology, Often considered the world's foremost authority on radiohalos, Former Guest Scientist at Oak Ridge National Laboratories, Atomic Energy Commission, Published scientific papers in Nature, Science, Applied Physics Letters, Earth and Planetary Science Letters, Annual Review of Nuclear Science, etc.) [*:377m9g26]Duane T. Gish (biochemist, Ph.D. in Biochemistry from University of California at Berkeley (1953), B.S. in chemistry from U.C.L.A. (1949), Research Associate, Research Division, The Upjohn Company, Kalamazoo, Michigan (1960-1971), Assistant Research Associate in Biochemistry, University of California (Berkeley), Virus Laboratory (1956-1960), Assistant Professor of Biochemistry, Cornell University Medical College (NYC) (1955-1956), Lilly Postdoctoral Fellow, Cornell University Medical College (1953-1955), Phi Beta Kappa, University of California, Los Angeles, Vice President of the Institute for Creation Research, Lecturer and most well-known debater on Creation-Evolution) [*:377m9g26]John Grebe (chemist, D.Sc. from Case Institute of Technology (1935) (Case is now part of Western Reserve University), Honorary Doctor of Laws degree from Hillsdale College (1967), M.S. from Case Institute of Technology, Former researcher at Oak Ridge National Laboratory Reactor School and Engineering Team (1946-1947), Former Director of the Dow Chemical Company Physical Chemistry Research Laboratories in Midland, Michigan, Served as Chief Scientist to the Army Chemical Corps at Edgewood Arsenal New Baltimore (1948-1949), In 1943 became the youngest recipient ever to receive the Chemical Industry Medal, Certificate of Merit from The Franklin Institute (1942), A founder of the Creation Research Society) [*:377m9g26]Joseph Henry (invented the electric motor and the galvanometer / discovered self-induction) [*:377m9g26]William Herschel (helped develop science of galactic astronomy / discovered double stars / developed the Global Star Catalog) [*:377m9g26]George F. Howe (Botanist and biologist, Ph.D. and M.Sc. in Botany from Ohio State University (1959, 1956), Charles F. Kettering fellow while at Ohio State, B.S. in Botany from Wheaton College, Post-doctoral studies in radiation biology, Cornell University (1965-66), Post-doctoral studies in botany, Washington State University (1961), Post-doctoral studies in desert biology, Arizona State University (1963), Post-doctoral studies in radiation biology, Cornell University, Former Assistant Professor of biology and botany at Westmont College, Santa Barbara, California, Professor and Chairman of the Division of Natural Sciences, The Master's College, Newhall, California, Published papers in scientific journals including: Bulletin of the Southern California Academy of Sciences, Ohio Journal of Science, and Creation Research Society Quarterly, Twice voted Teacher of the Year by students at The Master's College, Charter member and former President of the Creation Research Society (1977-1983), Editor of the Creation Research Society Quarterly (1969-1973), Director of CRS Grand Canyon Experimental Station) [*:377m9g26]D. Russell Humphreys (Award-winning physicist, involved in physics research and development in geophysics, optics, nuclear physics, high energy physics, electricity, magnetism, and theoretical physics, B.S. in Physics from Duke University, Ph.D. in Physics from Louisiana State University (dissertation: cosmic rays and ultrahigh energy nucleon-nucleon interactions), Worked six years for General Electric's High Voltage Laboratory where he received a US patent and one of Industrial Research Magazine's IR-100 awards. He received another US patent and two awards from Sandia, including an Award for excellence for contributions to light ion-fusion target theory., Former researcher at Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, New Mexico starting in 1979 -- in nuclear physics, geophysics, pulsed power research, theoretical atomic and nuclear physics, and the Particle Beam Fusion Project, Helped design particle accelerators used in fusion energy and Strategic Defense research, Co-inventor of laser-triggered "Rimfire" high-voltage switches, Staff scientist Institute for Creation Research, Associate Professor of Physics at Institute for Creation Research Graduate School, Author of numerous technical papers on origins on such subjects as... [*:377m9g26]Paleomagnetism: Developed theory for rapid reversals of the earth's magnetic field during the Genesis flood; it shared prizes for best technical paper at the First and Second International Conferences on Creationism, 1986 and 1990, and it successfully predicted later measurements. [*:377m9g26]Geomagnetism: Developed theory for origin of planetary magnetic fields which successfully predicted later spaceprobe measurements, 1983 - present. [*:377m9g26]Geochemistry: Co-authored paper on sodium accumulation in the ocean; it shared a prize at the Second International Conference on Creationism in 1990. [*:377m9g26]Cosmology: Began development of a relativistic creationist cosmology. The first article won an award at the Third International Conference on Creationism, 1994. Wrote a best-selling book about it, as well as several technical articles defending it and developing it further. ... Publications include: [*:377m9g26]"Comparison of experimental results and calculated detector responses for PBFA II Selected thermal source experiments," Review of Scientific Instruments 63 (October 1992) No. 10. [*:377m9g26]"Inertial confinement fusion with light ion beams," 13th Internat. Conf. on Plasma Physics and Controlled Nuclear Fusion Research, Washington, D.C. 1-6, October, 1990. [*:377m9g26]Reducing aspect ratios in inertial confinement fusion targets," JOWOG 37 Conference, Albuquerque, NM, January 1990. (Contents classified). [*:377m9g26]"Progress Toward a Superconducting Opening Switch," Proceedings of the Sixth IEEE Pulsed Power Conference, Arlington, Virginia, 1987, pp. 279-282. [*:377m9g26]"Scaling relations for the Rimfire multi-stage gas switch," Proceedings of the Sixth IEEE Pulsed Power Conference, Arlington, VA, June 29 - August 1, 1987. [*:377m9g26]"Rimfire: A Six Megavolt Laser-Triggered Gas-Filled Switch for PBFA-II," Proceedings of the Fifth IEEE Pulsed Power Conference, Arlington, Virginia, June 10-12, 1985, pp. 262-269. [*:377m9g26]"PBFA II, a 100 TW pulsed power driver for the inertial confinement fusion program," Proceedings of the Fifth IEEE Pulsed Power Conference, Arlington, Virginia, June 10-12, 1985. [*:377m9g26]"Uranium Logging with Prompt Fission Neutrons," International Journal of Applied Radiation and Isotopes, 34 (1983) 261-268. [*:377m9g26]"Uranium logging with prompt fission neutrons," IEEE Transactions on Nuclear Science, NS-28 (1981) 1691-1695. [*:377m9g26]"Pulsed neutron gamma ray logging for minerals associated with uranium," 6th Conf. on Small Accelerators in Research and Industry, Denton, TX, November 3-5, 1980. Sandia National Laboratories document no. SAND80-1531. [*:377m9g26]Wide-range multi-channel analog switch," Nuclear Instruments and Methods 121 (1974) 505-508. [*:377m9g26]"The 1/g Velocity Dependence of Nucleon-Nucleus Optical Potentials," Nuclear Physics A182 (1972) 580. [*:377m9g26]"Studies of hadron interactions at energies around 10 TeV using an ionization spectrometer-emulsion chamber combination," Proc. 11th Int. Conf. on Cosmic Rays, Budapest 1969, in Acta Physica Acad. Sci. Hungaricae 29 (1970) 497-503. [*:377m9g26]"Wide-Range multi-input pulse height recording system," Review of Scientific Instruments 38 (1967) 1123-1127. ...) [*:377m9g26]James P. Joule (developed reversible thermodynamics) [*:377m9g26]Johann Kepler (helped develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris Tables) [*:377m9g26]John W. Klotz (Biologist and Geneticist, Ph.D in Biology from the University of Pittsburgh, Former Professor of Biology and Chairman of the Division of Natural Science, Concordia, Senior College, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Chief Academic Officer, Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, Member of the Editorial Board of the Creation Research Society Quarterly) [*:377m9g26]Leonid Korochkin (Professor of Genetics at Yale University, Head of the molecular biology laboratory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.) [*:377m9g26]Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist, Ph.D. in Genetics from Purdue University, 1971, Professor of Biology, Emmanuel College, Franklin Springs, Georgia, Director, Museum of Earth and Life History, Liberty University, Member, Board of Directors, Creation Research Society, Managing Editor, Creation Research Society Quarterly, 15 publications, including: Designs in the Living World and The History of Life) [*:377m9g26]Carolus Linnaeus (helped develop sciences of taxonomy and systematic biology / developed the Classification System) [*:377m9g26]Joseph Lister (helped develop science of antiseptic surgery) [*:377m9g26]Frank L. Marsh (biologist, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of Biology of Andrews University, Author of Variation and Fixity in Nature: The Meaning of Diversity and Discontinuity in the World of Living Things, and Their Bearing on Creation and Evolution (Mountain View, California: Pacific Press Publishing Association, 1976)) [*:377m9g26]Matthew Maury (helped develop science of oceanography/hydrography) [*:377m9g26]James Clerk Maxwell (helped develop the science of electrodynamics) [*:377m9g26]Gregor Mendel (founded the modern science of genetics) [*:377m9g26]Samuel F. B. Morse (invented the telegraph) [*:377m9g26]Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope) [*:377m9g26]Blaise Pascal (helped develop science of hydrostatics / invented the barometer) [*:377m9g26]Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations) [*:377m9g26]William Ramsay (helped develop the science of isotopic chemistry / discovered inert gases) [*:377m9g26]John Ray (helped develop science of biology and natural science) [*:377m9g26]Lord Rayleigh (helped develop science of dimensional analysis) [*:377m9g26]Bernhard Riemann (helped develop non-Euclidean geometry) [*:377m9g26]James Simpson (helped develop the field of gynecology / developed the use of chloroform) [*:377m9g26]Nicholas Steno (helped develop the science of stratigraphy) [*:377m9g26]George Stokes (helped develop science of fluid mechanics) [*:377m9g26]Charles B. Thaxton (chemist, Ph.D. in Chemistry from Iowa State University, Postdoctoral Fellow at Harvard University (2 years), history and philosophy of science, Postdoctoral appointment in molecular biology laboratory at Brandeis University (3 years), Director of Curriculum Research of the Foundation for Thought and Ethics in Dallas, Staff member of the Julian Center in Julian, California.) [*:377m9g26]William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature Scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable) [*:377m9g26]Larry Vardiman (astrophysicist and geophysicist, M.S. and Ph.D. in Atmospheric Science from Colorado State University (1972, 1974), B.S. in meteorology from St. Louis University (1967), B.S. in physics from the University of Missouri (1965), Former Academic Dean and Chairman of Physical Sciences and Mathematics at Christian Heritage College, Santee, CA, Member: American Meteorological Society, Author of various papers related to cloud physics and meteorology, Chairman of Astro/Geophysics Department of the Institute for Creation Research Graduate School (beginning Summer 1989)) [*:377m9g26]Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics) [*:377m9g26]Rudolf Virchow (helped develop science of pathology) [*:377m9g26]A.J. (Monty) White (chemist, Ph.D. in physical chemistry, specialty: gas kinetics, from University College of Wales, B.S. (with honors) from University College of Wales, Post-doctoral studies at University College of Wales, Research fellow at the Edward Davies Chemical Laboratories, Aberystwyth, United Kingdom, Previous university administrator at various schools, Frequent writer on such topics as Creation-Evolution & science and the Bible, Guest appearances on British TV and radio programs, Student advisor, dean of students office, University of Cardiff, United Kingdom) [*:377m9g26]John Woodward (helped develop the science of paleontology) A more thorough list of current (and past) Creationist scientists is not provided for two reasons: (1) A complete list would be extremely lengthy, and (2) Some scientists would rather not have their name made public due to justified fear of job discrimination and persecution in today's atmosphere of limited academic freedom in Evolutionist-controlled institutions. Current evolutionists [*:377m9g26]The above took too much time : If God made time he did not come from eternity. Its as complicated for us as trying to think up a new color of light. He has left more than enough to convince every person on the above list. If you don't believe it, you either aren't as smart as these people or you don't know what they know (which is what I've been trying to tell you all this time) As for evidence for evolution I have still not gotten any proof for evolution with examples, would you care to stop attacking and start defending before I conclude you must be dyslexic ?

Wow, this might actually turn into an intellectual conversation :) I do not believe natural selection to be able to cause increase in complexity as it goes against your favorite :lol: the second law of thermodynamics and also because, the very thing that lets natural selection stop downward drift (weakness) is also a problem with upward drift, all half finnished organs give an animal a weakness. Also, to report on peoples critics on my counting: Abraham(1) Isaac(2) Jacob(3) Judah(4) Perez(5) Hezron (6) Ram(7) amminadab(8) Nahshnon (9) Salmon(10) Boaz (11) Obed(12) Jesse (13) David(14) And yes it does say from Abraham to David that includes David. Nice counting #-o Only their religeons made them to, To die for Christianity was free will eg islam, they are commanded to kill ANYONE who will not convert to muslim. Lucky us they are now quite weak in their faith huh (no pun intended) If God makes descissions he cannot be an event. However, if the Big Bang happened what came before it? Some will say the big crunch. But where did that come from? in the end we edn up with either infinite regress or ... nothingness... But where did that come from? There is a difference between Christianity and other religeons. In many religeons we find multiple man-like charachters, the gods. In almost every relieon we find they promote common human thoughts. In Islam and christianity we find a strict set of rules but here comes the big seperator from all other religeons. All religeons except christianity, man is trying to get to God. In christianity God is trying to get to man. Also, this topic is on the bible so what did you expect? :| #1 as I said before, Luke writes more about women than any other writer of the time. #2 I admit, there may have been a mistake in the translation or writing of the book, this would say that one word so far is a mistake and it happens to be closely related with the right word, what more could you want? #3 If I said "Everything an evolutionist atheist or agnostic says on this topic is going to be a lie" would you believe me? If you were agnostic you would either Not be sure about evolution Not try so desperatly to win this argument because you would win either way What getting bored and going away because people like you keep comming with the same arguments all the time? Yeah I think so too... Of course, however there are even evolutionists with the base that God does not exist that sided with creationism.