Laura

Who?

Like, my hard drive has, maybe 1000MBs to act as RAM. The Flash Drive acts as 1800MBs. This with my 1GB would be over 2GB, which is the max it says my computer can take. So buying a new, 2GB RAM stick will have little or no effect? I am going insane. But I thought it best to ask if buying one would effect my system since I have all those items acting as RAM. Don't wanna waste 60 bucks. :? Uh, i know ready-boost with usb memories... But using space on a hd as ram? Never heard this lol. Using ready-boost gives a little bit of boost, but not much. Comparing it to putting in a 2nd ram stick, the difference between ready-boost and actual ram is huge. If i don't remember wrong, i think i remember Clare saying that ready-boost also uses a bit of CPU power. (if you mean read-boost. otherwise give me a link or explain to me what your are talking about, do you mean an external usb-hard drive as ram?.. i don't get it). Buying a ram stick (1gb should be enough if don't use many applications at once .. etc), for 40$ or so=worth it. She could be talking about paged files. Even still i would never use my hard drive as ram if there is a way to do it. I think it is paged files, yes. And an external USB stick, acting as RAM. So an upgrade to 2GB would be worth it, as the USB and paged files add minimal difference?

*Challenges Brandon to another war*

Page two. :oops:

Like, my hard drive has, maybe 1000MBs to act as RAM. The Flash Drive acts as 1800MBs. This with my 1GB would be over 2GB, which is the max it says my computer can take. So buying a new, 2GB RAM stick will have little or no effect? I am going insane. But I thought it best to ask if buying one would effect my system since I have all those items acting as RAM. Don't wanna waste 60 bucks. :?

Alright, so my computer only recognizes 2GB of memory as Crucial.com stated, at 1GB now(32 bit, Windows Vista Home Premium, HP). I now have of hard drive to act as if it were memory. I also have 1800MB on a flash drive to act as memory. Since all three of these add up to over 2GB, do they actually do anything? At that, I wanted to buy a 2GB RAM card, would it have any effect at all while running these "act as RAM" items? Also, is there anyway to upgrade a graphics card on a laptop? If not, on a desktop?

I'm a bit confused. Which conclusion do you disagree with? I'm going to assume that it's the one that hoarding does not affect the long-term average. I'll give a simple example of dark bows. They were around 1.2m at the time, and a merchant clan decided to pick them up. Within 2 days they didn't buy at max, and they rose to 1.5m. Then they tanked all the way down to 900k, where they went back up to 1.2m. The average price does not change, just the timing of the rises and falls is affected by merchanting. Short term merchanting is generally: 1) A little under mid and a little over mid for stable items; 2) A little over min and a little under mid for falling items; 3) A little over mid and a little under max for rising items. In each of these cases, the item is still transferred for the average price. However, if a lot of people buy at min and sell just under mid the fall will be slower than people buying and selling at min. Investing is simply "riding the wave." It makes the ups and downs slightly more dramatic, but the average stays the same. I understand that well. But I do fault A C I D Y's clan chat for the majority of the price effects after the GE update. And that people can't sell their items while they're being dumped.

You're getting two terms mixed up. Merchanting is A OK. Manipulating is, apparently, not.

I've read, and reread your reply (first paragraph) and still don't get most of it #-o Anyway, I've been checking some price graphs, and you might be right about the school kids. The prices did initially drop because of kids selling their gear. However, this really doesn't account to all the "manipulated" stuff. There's other stuff, that has been going, where there's no link with kids starting school. However, the price rise is still IMO a combined effect of smart people buying when it's low, and rumors spreading. (what I've explained before). Then the second paragraph. If I get you right, you say Acidy cc is always behind the real hoarders? You are implying people are secretely hoarding an item that's going down/is low in value, and then spread the rumor to buy it out, right? Well, in some cases that might be true. In other cases however, I really dont see how they can possible make profit. I've seen items being "advertised", that were still going down/ were on their lowest, so I cant see how any secret hoarder can make profits by selling it at that time. (Of course, if they manage to create interest in the item, they are the first one to have them, probably for min price, so they make more than the others, but still. What I mean is: sometimes the item didnt really work and crashes already after a day, so I don't see how these secret hoarders can possible make a huge profit there). You basically answered your first question with your first paragraph. Schoolgoers sold all their stuff thinking that it'll drop and they want to save their cash value. This creates the old waterfall effect and more people buy into this theory. The value of gold remained unchanged as raw materials and rares stayed flat, but everything else tanked. A few weeks into school the market recorrected, prices began to go back up. A point I'd like to make is that no kind of merchant can alter the long-term average line. Hoarding will hit a new high and drop to a new low, then return to its pre-hoard value. Investing into items with curvy lines keeps the average flat. Short-term merchanting of volatile items only slows the progress of the average line slightly. Acidy's clan chat basically died because of unlimited access and huge popularity. Many other clan chats are now used. However, for this to work properly, a single decision on item must be made and no backstabbing may occur. This is why these hoarding groups must be reputable for them to profit - - unlike Acidy's clan chat, half full of manipulators and half full of people asking stupid questions and price checks. NO! This would give rise to more pointless and careless black marks and bannings being delivered to innocent players. Player1 to Player2: Should I buy a bgs now? Player2: Yeah, they'll probably rise soon How is that any different from: Player2: Dark bows will go up soon, now's a good time to buy Player2: They buy for about 1025k The first example is honest discussion between two friends about when to buy an item. The second could be a way to alert member of a hoarding clan chat when to buy or sell the item. The only possible fix is to limit the amount of items you can buy at a time to 1 for godswords, 2-5 for common items. However, this would be on par with removing direct trading. The only reason that the Grand Exchange works as an alternative to free trade is that you can choose the price to buy for, and therefore use it to make a profit. This is one of the key cornerstones of RS, that people can choose to make their money as a trader rather than a monsterkiller or skiller. I've read your post over and over, I still don't understand how you came to that conclusion. While I agree, the schoolgoers were a cause into the snowball effect, the sum was quite a different outcome. Although, over the course of the year, you start to see that items that plummet soon rise to a peak, then plummet again, less and less each time until the reach a stabilization point. At which, only slight short-term merchant will affect the slope of the graph and thus the price of the item. However, I do fault A C I D Y's clan chat for the majority of the after effects of the snowball. It isn't merely coincidence that they say "Buy out PPots", and sure enough, hours later, they are all bought out. It's really a win/lose situation for the ongoers in the chat. The big dogs converse among themselves to buy perhaps 50%(made up number) of the market out. After which, they tell the others in the channel that so and so item is now going to rise/be manipulated/bought out. They get the items before the rush, while others struggle to pull in at max. Days later it rises, and the set price to dump is near, however, instead of sticking to their word, the item is dumped before the price is even within 5% of the dumping price and the market now contains that 50% of an item back. Only people hopping on the train to late are going to buy them, which is exactly what they wanted. Now everyone else is stuck with so and so item while the demand for the item can't keep up, selling the items, in hops for a smaller profit than intended. And now, more often than not, they end up losing money on this parasitic relationship, but the word just continues to grow and grow.

Obviously I'm not proud of the "money" I "have" in the bank either. :roll: (Not directed at you)

Wow, I had the same story actually, same quest as well.

Summoning. They were raised so people wouldn't massively make tons of money, and then throwing more junk into the game.

All this hype, and they couldn't remove the "attack" option for your own teammates? :roll:

I highly doubt that this is actually considered illegal price manipulation. That rule was set back before trade limits when people would randomly spam the forums saying whips were double their original price to try and convince people to buy at the inflated cost. These people are not manipulating the price by lying, they are physically buying out every one of that item on the GE. Even though I do not do the merchanting, and it can bug me sometimes with the prices going wild and I have to wait a week to get my items, I still dont think these people are doing anything wrong. No one is forcing you to buy the item at max price, you can wait 3 days and chances are it will be back down BELOW normal price due to the wave effect. Buy smart and you will actually use their merchanting to your advantage. While I don't see much wrong in it, it does hurt the economy and reap others losses for your own benefit. He said merchanting is ok, while manipulating (what ACIDY's chat was doing) was against the rules. Although, I ponder as to what crosses the line between the two.

No it doesn't work like that sadly. If so, I could buy 50 AGS's, and then sell them back in the same four hour time period. The time limit is probably set to the specific item, if not all the groups of the same items you have. So in other words, I buy 100 D Boots, but I already have one pair. Could it be legitimate to say I could sell that on pair within the same four hours? Or are all the D Boots bound to that time period? Still, you can't buy 50 D Boots in 2 minutes, and expect them to sell in two hours. Either way, the only four logical explanations are that: A.) You placed the offer before the GE updated. It updated minutes later, thus resetting the clock. B.) You placed the offer before the Clan Wars update, which later reset the clock. C.) You're lying, and offer no proof of the selling, which I suppose wouldn't make sense, since you have nothing to gain. D.) Another bug in the GE. My vote is on B he said he placed the offer when he came home,around 15:30 gmt,update was earlier,so not B i guess :? my vote is on D He's saying I can buy 50 D Boots, and then sell them back in the same four hours, since it does total up to 100(the max on non raw items). Or at least, I get that impression, and you can't do that.

Skillers and PK'ers are similar, but are slightly comparable to two races or cultures. They have the same capabilities, yet do things different in certain ways. Which led to separation, which led to "Why don't you train attack", "Why don't you train WC'ing", which eventually led to a big'ole bandwagon.

No it doesn't work like that sadly. If so, I could buy 50 AGS's, and then sell them back in the same four hour time period. The time limit is probably set to the specific item, if not all the groups of the same items you have. So in other words, I buy 100 D Boots, but I already have one pair. Could it be legitimate to say I could sell that on pair within the same four hours? Or are all the D Boots bound to that time period? Still, you can't buy 50 D Boots in 2 minutes, and expect them to sell in two hours. Either way, the only four logical explanations are that: A.) You placed the offer before the GE updated. It updated minutes later, thus resetting the clock. B.) You placed the offer before the Clan Wars update, which later reset the clock. C.) You're lying, and offer no proof of the selling, which I suppose wouldn't make sense, since you have nothing to gain. D.) Another bug in the GE.

Forced bump, even though it's like the 5th one down. ;)

seems very ineffective for the most part. Seeing how if i was going to start a mass manipulation of prices i would simply keep it quite i checked out the clan chat that is responsible for some of this. Its interesting. plans are to buy out some things such as ahrims top/skirt range pots sara brew snap dragons/sup restore i think ZGS might have been touched upon robin hood hats dark bows whips dragon legs That's the problem, you can't keep them as quiet as you intend. You are, as he said, abusing a bug in the GE by buying out a stock of items in hopes to lower the supply and increase demand while gaining other players support and successfully pushing the GE to move at a rate it wouldn't normally. Price manipulation has been against the rules for awhile now. This is the first time I've seen action done about it.

Mod Zach is now in Acidy's chat. Exclaiming that price manipulation, is against the rules. Although that's not stopping everyone, he is learning about, and patrolling some of the more popular manipulating chats.

Bump bump I'ma lump.

Now I'm just lost.

Holy cabbage Eagle! That looks wonderul already! Not to mention I. Can't wait for it. :)and a dynamic sig is a good idea, didn't think of that. Thanks! Can't wait. Gotta draw you one of my "amazing" drawings.;) Ps can you guess the text?;) Sorry about any mistakes-sent from my phone.

You're kidding right? If I want my Bandos Plate and Tassets, I want them now. I am highly impatient and would be extremely displeased if I was forced to wait for them.

Again, A C I D Y. They'll be dumped tomorrow or Weds. Robins are going to be hoarded for awhile; they don't come in the game all to often as something like ranarrs do.