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Actually, it's estimated that there's around 3.0 × 10^21 planets in the known universe. That's one sextillion. http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/pape ... aver06.pdf

Again, probably for the same reasons we haven't contacted "them". Either they/we can't yet, or we/they simply don't know they/we exist. It's not as if Earth is the centerpoint of sentient life that all other planets know about and want to establish communications with. This can be solved easily by looking at how large the universe is. The universe is at least 93 billion light years in diameter, while it is around 13 billion years old. If we are near the center of the universe, then a sentient species on the edge of the universe would take 46 billion years for a message in the electro-magnetic spectrum to arrive from them. If there are 10 sentient species, arranged more or less evenly, then it would take 9.3 billion years for a message to arrive from them to any one civilization. This is ignoring the fact that at minimum, it takes two star generations to support life(a primordial star, which must then supernova to create heavier elements, and another star formed from the remnants of that star to provide heat.). We can assume that our earth(at less than 5 billion years old), is fairly typical, due to the need for these star generations. In this case, if sentient species had only begun to evolve less than 5 billion years ago, then the absolute maximum for a message from them is 5 billion light years away, or closer. Realistically, however, we have to allow for evolution and the production of sentient beings to take place, limiting it to, say, generously, 2 billion years(and two billion light years away, maximum.) Just take in the sheer size of the universe, and it's easy to tell why we haven't been contacted. It's really not a paradox at all. In fact, the N in Drake's Equation(the number of alien civilizations in the universe) would have to be more than 45, assuming the aliens reached civilization capable of contacting us exactly 2 billion years ago, and sent immediately. They would have to send these in all directions; if they instead looked around at them, they won't see us for 2 billion years(if they live on the edge of the sliver) after we send a message, then another 2 billion years to send on back. If, they evolved like us, and only developed intelligence and then developed ways of transmitting electro-magnetic radiation less than a hundred years ago, they would need to be so very very very close. If they developed it less than 100 years ago, then Drake's N value would need to be nine hundred twenty million, which is insane. Drake's equation is ultimately bs, however, because it's simply multiplying a ton of complete unknown percentages together, yielding a completely unknown answer. Out of billions and billions and billions (ad nauseum) of planets, we know of one that supports life(earth(duh)). If we divide 1/billions and billions and billions, we get nearly zero. We can then conclude that the conditions to produce life are extremely rare. This is quite a dubious claim to make, but so is the Drake equation, and really, we do not know either way. We do know of several types of systems that cannot support life. Nebulas cannot support life, nor can primordial stars, or systems very close to black holes, nor can the vast empty spaces between galaxies. We know of some types of systems similar to ours, but we do not know for sure; if the sun is a bit too hot, or the planets a bit too close, life cannot survive. If the sun is a bit too cool, or the planets a bit too far, life cannot survive.

Actually, in an unstoppable force, the particles would need to be vibrating so fast that they'd need to be moving much faster than the speed of light, which is impossible(but lets ignore that). Once they neared the speed of light, the particles would gain mass exponentially the faster they moved(relativity) Before they breached the speed of light, each particle would have so much mass that black holes would be formed. This is because by vibrating, they would gain temperature, eventually reaching the Planck Temperature.

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I don't know too much about homosexuality, but isn't it debated whether homosexuality is choice or genetics? I'm a christian and I've been taught that homosexuality is considered evil. But if people are born that way, isn't that a little bit unfair? The only people who ever debate that it is a choice are those with a vested interest in it being so, i.e. those who believe homosexuality is wrong and use that to justify descrimination. Psychologists are pretty much across the board convinced its not a choice. Whether its something that happens during foetal development, whether its genetics or due to factors whilst growing up is still unknown. But there are very few psychologists who have gone on record as saying it's a choice. And most of those equally have vested interests in that being the case. FREUD! Homosexuality is, at any rate, something that can be ignored. Sociopaths are born with a disposition to ignore society's laws, so is it then just that we 'discriminate' against them by locking them up? Homosexuals made a choice to follow their primal hungering, and I frown upon that. While I certainly do not think any punishment should be bestowed upon them upon this earth, I would hope that they understand that implications of their actions. Sociopaths aren't punished for being sociopaths. They are punished for breaking laws. As well, 4% of Americans are sociopaths. If we put every sociopath in jail, we'd have some pretty full prisons. Homosexuality does not injure the homosexual, their partner homosexual, or anyone else. Therefore, there is no reason why it should be illegal or wrong.

And then you go and do exactly that. Citing quotations out of context without in depth study of the history in the area are completely meaningless, and are an insult to intellectualism and thought. This is coming from an agnostic, as well. Too bad they're from reading and not relying on a site. Is it too much to ask for a religion to preach love and peace to everyone, and not direct it's followers to hurt and disdain others? Fine. Let's do the context for 2:6. 2. The Cow (Al-Baqarah) In the name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful. 1 I, God, am the best knower. 2 This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who keep their duty, 3 Who believe in the Unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them, 4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee and that which was revealed before thee, and of the Hereafter they are sure. 5 These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that are successful. 6 Those who disbelieve -- it being alike to them whether thou warn them or warn them not -- they will not believe. 7 God has sealed their hearts and their hearing; and there is a covering on their eyes, and for them is a grievous chastisement. * * * 8 And there are some people who say: We believe in God and the Last Day and they are not believers. 9 They seek to deceive God and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they perceive not. 10 In their hearts is a disease, so God increased their disease, and for them is a painful chastisement because they lie. 11 And when it is said to them, Make not mischief in the land, they say: We are but peacemakers. 12 Now surely they are the mischief-makers, but they perceive not. 13 And when it is said to them, Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they are the fools, but they know not. 14 And when they meet those who believe, they say, We believe; and when they are alone with their devils, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking. 15 God will pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on. 16 These are they who buy error for guidance, so their bargain brings no gain, nor are they guided. 17 Their parable is as the parable of one who kindles a fire but when it illumines all around him, God takes away their light, and leaves them in darkness -- they cannot see. 18 Deaf dumb, (and) blind, so they return not: 19 Or like abundant rain from the clouds in which is darkness, and thunder and lightning; they put their fingers into their ears because of the thunder-peal, for fear of death. And God encompasses the disbelievers. 20 The lightning almost takes away their sight. Whenever it shines on them they walk in it, and when it becomes dark to them they stand still. And if God had pleased, He would have taken away their hearing and their sight. Surely God is Possessor of power over all things. * * * That's the full verse before and after it. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Holy_ ... hammad_Ali)/2._The_Cow . Tell me that the quote is taken out of context. Here is an entire several verses all about Jews. I can go on and on and on, the context all agrees with me. Couldn't resist this one. Enlighten me, oh knowledgeable one. I clearly am lacking at your ability to take passages clear meanings, then change them to be acceptable to my morals, obviously. Tell me what I'm doing wrong, if you can. Oh, I get the point. I'm not allowed to quote scripture, because it's difficult to deflect the meaning so it appears moral, and not offensive to anyone who reads it. I'm not allowed to quote from scripture, because you have to study for years to understand that it's not offensive to anyone, it's truly a religion of peace and you cannot question it. I'm not allowed to quote from scripture, because it's impossible to defend against. You say I have to include the context, so I do so. Suddenly I'm not understanding the point; I'm supposed to accept the scripture is peaceful and moral, when it's clearly not, and continue the discussion, conceding the point. I'm supposed to understand that thousands of years ago, this was okay and the way things were done, so it's completely acceptable to apply them today, cleave it to them, accept them as holy truth, and certainly don't question our present day morals, because of course the bronze age savages couldn't be moral, right? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I've read the Qu'ran. Want some quotes I compiled months ago? Islam as the Qu'ran says is not peaceful or tolerant. [hide=quotes]# "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray." Muslims generally interpret "those whom Allah has favored," "those who earn Allah's anger," and "those who go astray" as Muslims, Jews, and Christians, respectively. 1:6-7 # Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6 # Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10 # Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18 # A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24 # Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90 # Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61 # Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66 # If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85 # Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88 # The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89 # Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96 # Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98 # Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99 # For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104 # Don't question anything Muhammed says or choose disbelief over faith. 2:108 # "But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them [non-muslims] on the Day of Resurrection." 2:212 # For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114 # "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119 # Disbelievers are losers. 2:121 # Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126 # "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?" Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130 # Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159 # Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161 # The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162 # They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167 # Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171 # Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174 # How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175 # Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178 # Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2 # Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193 # Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206 # War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216 # Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217 # Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221 # The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254 # Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257 # Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264 # "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286 # Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4 # Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10 # Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12 # Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19 # "If they surrender, then truly they are rightly guided, and if they turn away, then it is thy duty only to convey the message." (The message for those who won't surrender is "you're going to hell.") 3:20 # Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21 # "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24 # Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28 # Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32 # Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56 # Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73 # Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77 # All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85 # Apostates will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:86-88 # Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91 # Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6 # Muslims are the best people. Most Non-muslims are "evil-livers." 3:110 # Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116 # Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118 # The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131 # Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147 # Do not obey disbelievers. 3:149 # We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151 # "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?" Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162 # Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176 # Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 3:177 # Disbelievers will go to Hell. 3:196 # Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 4:14 # For the disbelievers and those who make a last-minute conversion, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:18 # For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 4:37 # "Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not." 4:46 # Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47 # Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin." 4:48, 4:116 # Those who invent lies about Allah are guilty of flagrant sin. 4:50 # Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims. 4:51 # "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52 # Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55 # Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56 # Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60 # Those who refuse to believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad are hypocrites. 4:61 # Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63 # The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66 # Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69 # Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74 # Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76 # Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don't try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88 # Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 # If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 # Believers shouldn't kill believers, unless by mistake. If you kill a believer by mistake, you must set free a believing slave. 4:92 # Believers who kill believers will go to hell. 4:93 # The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101 # For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a shameful punishment. 4:102 # Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104 # Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 4:115 # They (those who ascribe partners to Allah) invoke in his stead only females and pray to Satan. 4:117 # Allah will lead them astray and they will go to hell. 4:119-121 # Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 4:137 # For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 4:138 # Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 4:140 # Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141 # Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 4:144 # The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 4:145 # You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151 # For the wrongdoing Jews, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 4:160-1 # God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169 # Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5:5 # Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 5:10 # Allah has cursed the Jews and hardened their hearts. Nearly all of them are treacherous. 5:12-13 # Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14 # Christians are disbelievers for believing in the divinity of Christ. 5:17 # Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33 # Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 5:36 # Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 5:37 # Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38 # Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41 # Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45 # Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 # Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53 # Allah could replace nonbelievers with believers who would love him and do whatever he says. 5:54 # Your only friends should be Allah, Muhammad, and those who believe correctly (Muslims). 5:55 # Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57 # Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59 # Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests. 5:63 # Allah has cast enmity and hatred among the Jews. 5:64 # Allah does not guide disbelievers. 5:67 # The Jews rejected and killed Allah's prophets, since "they were wilfully blind and deaf." 5:70-71 # Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72 # Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73 # Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80 # Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 5:86 # Allah will test believers to see if they are afraid. Those who fail a second test will suffer a a painful doom. 5:94 # After agreeing to send down a table of food from heaven, Jesus warns his disciples that will catch holy hell if they ever stop believing. 5:115 # Those who deny the truth of Islam will be punished by Allah. 6:5 # "See the nature of the consequence for the rejecters!" 6:11 # "Those who ruin their souls will not believe." 6:12, 20 # Disbelievers will say when they see the Fire that they would have believed if they had known the truth. But they are all liars. 6:27-28 # Allah will torment those how deny his revelations. 6:49 # Stay away from those who "meddle with" or mock the Quran. 6:68 # Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70 # When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 6:93 # Stay away from idolaters. 6:106 # Allah confounds the hearts and eyes of unbelievers. 6:110 # Most unbelievers are ignorant. 6:111 # Allah allows some to disbelieve in the afterlife, and to take pleasure in their disbelief, so that he can torment them forever after they die. 6:113 # The worst thing anyone can do is deny the revelations of Allah. Those who do so will be awared an evil doom. 6:157 # Disbelievers lose their souls. 7:9 # Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 7:27 # Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 7:30 # Only believers go to heaven. 7:32 # Allah forbids beliefs that he hasn't revealed (i.e., all non-muslim beliefs). 7:33 # Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 7:36 # Disbelief is the greatest evil. 7:37 # Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 7:40-41 # Those in the fire will be taunted by those in the Garden. "So how's it going down there? Are you enjoying the warmth of the Fire?" 7:44 # Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 7:50 # Those who forget Allah will be forgotten (sent to hell) on Judgement Day. 7:51 # Serve Allah or go to hell. 7:59 # Allah drowned everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) because they disbelieved. 7:64 # Disbelievers are liars. 7:66 # Those who believe incorrectly will face the terror and wrath of Allah. 7:71 # "We cut the root of those who denied Our revelations and were not believers." 7:72 # Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:78 # Allah killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah except Lot and his daughters. 7:83-84 # "So the earthquake seized them." Allah killed the disbelievers with an earthquake. 7:90-91 # "Then We seized them unawares, when they perceived not." Unbelievers are never safe from Allah's wrath. 7:95-99 # "How can I sorrow for a people that rejected (truth)?" Shu'eyb tells the Allah's victims that they deserved to die for rejecting Islam. 7:93 # "We drowned them in the sea: because they denied Our revelations." 7:136 # Allah will destroy non-muslim cultures. 7:138-9 # "Those who deny Our revelations and the meeting of the Hereafter, their works are fruitless." 7:147 # Those who worship the calf will suffer terror and humiliation from Allah. 7:152 # "Those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful." 7:157 # "But those of them who ... changed the word ... We sent down upon them wrath from heaven." 7:162 # "When they forgot that whereof they had been reminded, We ... visited [them] with dreadful punishment." 7:165 # Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166 # Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167 # Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176 # Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177 # Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180 # Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3 # "Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers." Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7 # Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 8:12 # Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14 # When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16 # Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17 # "The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense [the non-muslims]." 8:22 # Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35 # Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36 # Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39 # The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 8:50 # The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55 # Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60 # Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 8:65 # A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67 # Disbelievers cause confusion and "corruption in the land." 8:73 # "Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers." 9:2 # Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 9:3 # Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5 # Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.) 9:6 # Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted. 9:7-9 # Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5) 9:11 # Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14 # Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 9:17 # Don't make be friends with with your disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers. 9:23 # Allah punished those who disbelieved. 9:26 # Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship. 9:28 # Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29 # Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30 # The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33 # Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34 # Allah does not guide the disbelievers. 9:37 # Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41 # Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls. 9:42 # Disbelievers go to hell. 9:49 # "Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands." 9:52 # Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers. 9:53 # Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 9:60 # Allah is only pleased by true believers. 9:62 # Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 9:63 # Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 9:68 # Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73 # Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 9:74 # God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask. 9:80 # Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell. 9:81-83 # Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84 # Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers. 9:85 # For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 9:90 # Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell. 9:95 # The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. 9:97-98 # "We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom." 9:101 # Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107 # Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell. 9:109 # Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111 # Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 9:113 # Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah. 9:114 # Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123 # Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts. 9:125 # Allah turns away those who misunderstand him. 9:127 # Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 10:4 # If you enjoy life and ignore Muhammad's [cabbage], Allah will torture you forever in the Fire after you die. 10:7-8 # Allah has destoyed entire generations. 10:13 # Denying the revelations of Allah is the worst sin imaginable. 10:17 # "Ignominy overtaketh them - They have no protector from Allah - as if their faces had been covered with a cloak of darkest night. Such are rightful owners of the Fire." 10:27 # On the last day Allah will kill all the disbelievers (and then he will torture them forever in hell). 10:45 # Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 10:70 # Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 10:73 # Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 10:88 # If you deny the revelations of Allah, you will be among the losers and will "see the painful doom." 10:95-97 # Disbelievers will end up in the Fire. 11:17 # Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 11:18-19 # Allah sent a lasting doom on those who mocked Noah. 11:39 # Those who drowned in the flood were disbelievers. 11:42 # Allah will send a painful doom on several nations. 11:48 # Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 13:5 # Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 13:14 # Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 13:18 # Allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them uffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter. 13:33-34 # The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 13:35 # Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 14:2 # "Lo! for wrong-doers is a painful doom." 14:22 # "They set up rivals to Allah that they may mislead (men) from His way. Say: Enjoy life (while ye may) for lo! your journey's end will be the Fire." 14:30 # Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 15:2-3 # Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 15:39-43 # Those who don't believe in the Hereafter are proud. 16:22 # Allah made a roof fall in to kill unbelievers. "And the doom came on them whence they knew not." 16:26 # Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 16:27-29 # Disbelievers are liars. 16:39 # Theirs will be the Fire, and they will be abandoned." 16:62 # "Theirs will be a painful doom." 16:63 # Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 16:88 # Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 16:94 # Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them. 16:106 # Those who invent lies against Allah will have a painful doom. 16:116-7 # Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 17:8 # Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 17:10 # Allah destroyed entire towns. 17:16 # How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17:17 # Allah intends to burn people in hell. 17:18 # "Set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell." 17:39 # Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 17:45-46 # Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 17:97-98 # "He maketh none to share in His government." Democracy is heresy. Allah shares his government with no one. 18:26 # Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 18:29 # Christians will cry out to Allah's "partners", but they won't hear them; Allah will send them to their doom. 18:52 # The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 18:57 # On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 18:100 # Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 18:102 # The good works of disbelievers are all in vain. They will go to hell anyway. 18:104-105 # Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 18:106 # "Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day." Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell. 19:35-37 # Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 19:69-70 # Allah will prolong the lives of non-believers so they can see their punishment, either in this world or in the Hour of doom. 19:75 # Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 19:77-79 # Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 19:83 # Allah will "drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd." 19:86 # Lo! it hath been revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away." 20:48 # Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 20:127 # Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 21:6 # "And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell." 21:29 # Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 21:39-40 # The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 21:97-99 # Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 22:9 # Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 22:15 # Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 22:19-22 # Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 22:25 # Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 22:51 # "Those who disbelieve will not cease to be in doubt thereof until the Hour come upon them unawares, or there come unto them the doom of a disastrous day." 22:55 # Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 22:57 # Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 22:72 # Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 23:74-77 # Disbelievers will not be successful. 23:117 # Those who traduce virtuous, believing women ... cursed are they in the world and the Hereafter. Theirs will be an awful doom." 24:23 # Disbelievers are miscreants. 24:55 # Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 24:57 # The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 24:62 # Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 25:11-13 # It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 25:26-27 # Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 25:36 # Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 25:37 # "They [the non-muslims] will know, when they behold the doom, who is more astray as to the road." 25:42 # Don't obey disbelievers. But rather fight against them. 25:52 # Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69 # Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 26:201 # Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213 # Stay away from poets. The erring follow them. 26:224 # Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 27:4-5 # But he "saved those who believed." 27:53 # Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 28:62-64 # Never help disbelievers. 28:86 # Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 29:23 # "Ye have chosen only idols instead of Allah ... on the Day of Resurrection ye will deny each other and curse each other, and your abode will be the Fire, and ye will have no helpers." 29:25 # Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 29:49 # Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 29:52 # The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 29:53-55 # The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. Hell is the home of disbelievers. 29:68 # When the Hour comes, Christians will be divided into two groups: Those who believed Allah's revelations, and those who disbelieved in them. The believers will be happy in the Garden; the disbelievers will be brought to doom. 30:13-16 # Allah does not love disbelievers. 30:45 # Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 30:59 # Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 31:6-7 # Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 31:23-24 # Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 32:13 # Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 32:14 # Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20 # The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22 # Don't obey disbelievers. 33:1 # He hath prepared a painful doom for the unfaithful." 33:8 # Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 33:19 # Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 33:25-26 # Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 33:48 # Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 33:57 # Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61 # Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 33:64-65 # The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 33:66-68 # Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 34:5 # "They are filled with remorse when they behold the doom; and We place carcans on the necks of those who disbelieved." 34:33 # Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 34:8 # Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38 # Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 34:45 # Those who ignore Allah's messenger (Muhammed) will face a terrific doom. 34:46 # Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52 # Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 35:7 # Allah hates disbelievers. 35:26 # Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 35:36-7 # He who disbelieves, his disbelief be on his own head. 35:39 # Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. They will go to hell anyway. 36:8-10 # Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 36:63-4 # Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 37:31-38 # If you're not favored by Allah, you're doomed. 37:57 # Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 37:82 # Only the "single-minded slaves of Allah" will be saved from the doom. 37:127-8 # Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 37:136 # No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 37:162-3 # Just wait a while and watch. The unbelievers will soon be destroyed in the doom. 37:176-9 # Those who disbelieve are in false pride and schism. 38:2 # Allah has destroyed many generations. 38:3 # Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 38:8 # Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 38:14 # Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 38:26 # Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 38:27 # Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 39:8 # Those who disobey Allah should fear his doom. 39:13 # No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 39:19 # Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 39:22 # The doom will come upon those who deny what Allah has revealed. 39:25 # Allah will make non-believers "taste humiliation in the life of the world" and " the doom of the Hereafter" which will be even worse. 39:26 # The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 39:32 # Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 39:54-55 # Disbelievers had their chance to believe. They will all suffer in an endless doom. 39:56-59 # Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 39:60 # Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 39:63 # Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 39:65 # Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 39:71-72 # Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 40:6 # Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 40:10 # Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 40:22 # Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 40:49-50 # Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 40:56 # Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 40:60 # Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 40:63 # Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 40:70-72 # Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in? 40:73 # Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 40:74 # Those who scorn will go to hell. 40:76 # When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 40:84-85 # Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 41:6 # The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 41:19-20 # Non-muslims will be tormented forever in the Fire. Allah will not have any mercy on them. 41:24 # Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 41:27-28 # "Lo! those who distort Our revelations are not hid from Us. Is he who is hurled into the Fire better?" 41:40 # Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 41:50 # In whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah." Disputes, whether religious or political, must be decided by Allah. Democracy is not an option. 42:10 # Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 42:16 # "And as for disbelievers, theirs will be an awful doom." 42:26 # Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 42:44-46 # Those who turn people away from Islam will "be sharers in the doom." 43:37-39 # "But they will come to know." Allah will torment disbelievers forever in hell. 43:88-89 # Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 44:11-16 # "He hath saved them [Muslims] from the doom of hell." (Everyone else is going to hell.) 44:56 # Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 45:7-8 # Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be a shameful doom. 45:9-10 # Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a awful doom of wrath. 45:11 # Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 45:31 # Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 46:20 # Serve only Allah or face the doom of a tremendous day. 46:21 # If you believe Muhammed, Allah will forgive some of your sins and protect you from the painful doom (that he plans to torture everyone else with). 46:31 # Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 46:34 # Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 47:1 # Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 47:3 # Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 47:4 # Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 47:8-9 # Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 47:12 # Those who turn away from Islam, and obey non-Muslims in some things, have been seduced by Satan. 47:25-26 # Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 47:27 # Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 47:32 # Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 47:34-35 # Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 48:6 # Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 48:13 # If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16 # "Whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." 48:17 # Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 48:25 # Allah will "cause it [islam] to prevail over all religion." 48:28 # Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 48:29 # Allah will hurl those who believe in another god into a dreadful doom. 50:26 # Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 51:10-14 # "We left behind therein a portent for those who fear a painful doom." 51:37 # Woe to the disbelievers. 51:60 # Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 52:11-16 # "Their Lord hath warded off from them the torment of hell-fire." (Everyone else is going to hell -- and the believers are all okay with that.) 52:18 # Those who disbelieve are trapped. 52:42 # Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27 # Those who disbelieve in the afterlife are only guessing and have no real knowledge. 53:29 # Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29 # Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot's family. 54:34 # The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 55:43-44 # Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 56:51-54 # Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 56:92-94 # Those who disbelieve or doubt the revelations of Allah will be face the doom. 57:13-14 # The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 57:15 # Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 57:19 # For disbelievers is a painful doom. 58:4 # For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 58:5 # Those who disobey Muhammed will go to hell. 58:8 # Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 58:14-15 # Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 58:16-17 # Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 58:20 # On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 58:22 # Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 59:2-3 # "Whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it)." Do whatever Muhammad tells you to do. (Or you'll go to hell.) 59:7 # The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 59:11 # The disbelievers fear the believers more than Allah. 59:13 # The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 59:16-17 # The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 59:20 # Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 60:1 # Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 60:9 # Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 60:13 # The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 61:7 # Allah gave Muhammad the one true religion and sent him to conquer all other (false) religions. 61:9 # "O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?" 61:10 # A hypocritical Jew looks like an [wagon] carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 62:5 # Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 63:3 # Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 63:4 # Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 63:6 # "Might belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers." 63:8 # Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 64:5 # Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 64:10 # Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 66:9 # Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 67:6-7 # Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 67:28 # Refuse to obey the "rejecters" (Non-Muslims?) who seek compromise 68:8-9 # Those who consider the Quran to be "mere fables" will be branded on the nose.68:15-16 # "Shall We then treat those who have surrendered (Muslims) as We treat the guilty (Non-Muslims)?" 68:35 # Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 69:30-35 # Doom is about to fall on all disbelievers. Only worshippers (Muslims) and those who preserve their chastity (except with their wives and slave girls) will be spared from "the fires of hell" that are "eagar to roast." 70:1-30 # "Lo! the doom of their Lord is that before which none can feel secure" (except for maybe those who are fearful of it). 70:27-28 # Disbelievers will enter hell with frantic with fear, knowing they will be tortured forever by Allah. 70:36, 44 # Allah sent Noah to warn people about the painful doom he was planning to send. (It didn't work out well; Allah sent it anyway.) 71:1 # Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 71:26 # The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 72:15-17 # Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 72:23 # Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 73:11-13 # The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 74:9-10 # Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 74:16-17 # Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 74:31 # Those who pay attention to this life and ignore the Hereafter will suffer forever in hell. 75:20-29 # Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 76:4 # Don't obey disbelievers. 76:24 # Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 77:19, 77:24, 77:28, 77:34, 77:40, 77:45, 77:49 # Depart unto that doom which ye used to deny." 77:29 # Those who deny the revelations given to Muhammed will burn forever in hell. 78:21-30 # "Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: 'Would that I were dust!'" 78:40 # Those who rebel by choosing this life over the next will go to hell. 79:37-39 # Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 80:40-42 # Those who reject Allah's revelations will burn in hell. 83:10-17 # The disbelievers used to laugh at the believers. But the final laugh will be on them. 83:29-36 # Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 84:22-24 # Those who persecute Muslims, without repenting, will burn in hell. 85:10 # Allah plots against non-Muslims. 86:16 # "Deal gently with them (non-Muslims) for a while. (How long is "a while"?) 86:17 # Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 88:23-24 # Allah poured the disaster of His punishment upon those who rebelled against him. 89:11-13 # Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 90:19-20 # Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 92:14-16 # Allah created humans to be "of best stature" but then reduced them "to the lowest of the low". Except for "those who believe and do good works." But what about those who don't believe but do good works? Are they the "lowest of the low"? 95:4-6 # Allah will grab those who deny His guidance by the forelock and call the guards of hell. 96:13-18 # Those who disbelieve will abide in the fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. 98:6 # Only religious people help orphans or those in need. 107:1-3[/hide]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm More info on Wilders. I really respect organizations like ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) for what they do.

Could you clarify something for me? I'm a bit confused when you say archaelogists....are you referring to human archaelogists, or future archaelogists of a different race/species? It doesn't matter. The point is that just because some parts of a book turn out to be true, doesn't mean we can accept the rest. Just because we know that New York City, the Empire State Building, and The USA exist, doesn't mean there's a super powerful alien who can fly and stop bullets roaming around. The same goes that just because we know that some of the historical stuff in the bible is true, doesn't mean there's an all powerful cloud being floating around. We know that some of the historical events that occur in the Odyssey and the Iliad actually happened. Does that mean Poseidon rules the seas and there's nymphs and dryads about? Of course not. It most certainly matters...I have 2 different approaches I can take as far as responding to that. Either you're referring to archaelogists of our current human race and I can explain why that's a silly statement, or you're referring to imaginary archaelogists of a race that comes about after us and I can explain how that's not a good comparison to the bible. Say it's humans then, but I still don't see how it could matter at all. I like my Odyssey example better anyhow. Just because some things are true in a document doesn't mean that the whole thing is true, and to argue the opposite is inane. *writes document telling of Obama's inauguration as President of The United States. Later on, states that Obama turned out to be a mutant super being that controls time itself. Expects document to be taken as truthfully as the bible, because some of it is true.* (yes, there are different reasons why the bible's main subject matter is taken as truthful, but that's not the point I'm attacking. Just because something says some truthful things, does not mean everything else it says is true or even likely)

Could you clarify something for me? I'm a bit confused when you say archaelogists....are you referring to human archaelogists, or future archaelogists of a different race/species? It doesn't matter. The point is that just because some parts of a book turn out to be true, doesn't mean we can accept the rest. Just because we know that New York City, the Empire State Building, and The USA exist, doesn't mean there's a super powerful alien who can fly and stop bullets roaming around. The same goes that just because we know that some of the historical stuff in the bible is true, doesn't mean there's an all powerful cloud being floating around. We know that some of the historical events that occur in the Odyssey and the Iliad actually happened. Does that mean Poseidon rules the seas and there's nymphs and dryads about? Of course not.

Fixed, thank you :)

No it isn't. You know that feeling you get when you distinguish between right and wrong? THAT'S religion. The mysteriousness you feel looking up at the big 'ol sky? THAT'S religion. Personal beliefs are not gathered from man's print. They can be imprinted and enforced, leastwise morals, but personal beliefs are always held in a man's bosum. Or woman's. Just talking all old style. -_- Also, when it comes to the bible and Christianity, many things stated in the bible have been found true, and historically proven. Other items and artifacts have been found and dug up validating the bible. =P Hundreds of years from now archealogists find a superman comic. They find, that in it, it talks of buildings and cities that do indeed exist. Does it mean the subject matter is true?

If that's true, you should have absolutely no problem completing fully Dan Barker's Easter Challenge. http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/stone.php "The conditions of the challenge are simple and reasonable. In each of the four Gospels, begin at Easter morning and read to the end of the book: Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, and John 20-21. Also read Acts 1:3-12 and Paul's tiny version of the story in I Corinthians 15:3-8. These 165 verses can be read in a few moments. Then, without omitting a single detail from these separate accounts, write a simple, chronological narrative of the events between the resurrection and the ascension: what happened first, second, and so on; who said what, when; and where these things happened. Since the gospels do not always give precise times of day, it is permissible to make educated guesses. The narrative does not have to pretend to present a perfect picture--it only needs to give at least one plausible account of all of the facts. Additional explanation of the narrative may be set apart in parentheses. The important condition to the challenge, however, is that not one single biblical detail be omitted. Fair enough?" um, yeah..these aren't actual "contradictions" as i was meaning. The thing about this is that each one of these are just accounts from different people. They are bound to be a little different each, mostly just in the wording, and yet still there is really no contradiction as they all not only deliver the same message in the end, but are not inspired by the holy spirit, but rather MEN(aka HUMANS not being influenced by god on what to write(one of the very few times in the bible where they can put it in there own words)) I mean really? the point is it was in the morning as they knew it(they didn't use the 12 hour clock we do now, rather just sunset to sunset), and it could have still been dark when the women left and john saw them, and Luke may have only known that it was early in the morning(maybe he was just waking up, or wasn't up at the time), and mark said they arrived at the sepulchre at the rising of the sun, which would completely validate John's writing as they could have left when it was yet dark, and arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. simple. Much is also lost in different translations for they say different things and word things differently for different readers. Most of the cases posed are just plain word choice differences. Those that weren't can't be used as an example because again, these are what men themselves thought they saw. One can see something the other didn't, or see two sides of the same thing and disagree(the farmer and the two color hat story, don't remember what its called. Between the lions ftw). So it's not the word of god, there are contradictions, it's written by men who can be wrong. Thanks.

If that's true, you should have absolutely no problem completing fully Dan Barker's Easter Challenge. http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/stone.php "The conditions of the challenge are simple and reasonable. In each of the four Gospels, begin at Easter morning and read to the end of the book: Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, and John 20-21. Also read Acts 1:3-12 and Paul's tiny version of the story in I Corinthians 15:3-8. These 165 verses can be read in a few moments. Then, without omitting a single detail from these separate accounts, write a simple, chronological narrative of the events between the resurrection and the ascension: what happened first, second, and so on; who said what, when; and where these things happened. Since the gospels do not always give precise times of day, it is permissible to make educated guesses. The narrative does not have to pretend to present a perfect picture--it only needs to give at least one plausible account of all of the facts. Additional explanation of the narrative may be set apart in parentheses. The important condition to the challenge, however, is that not one single biblical detail be omitted. Fair enough?"

I can stand two of his plays- Hamlet and The Tempest. The Tempest is far better, and it's the only one of his plays I've bothered to buy. I'll agree with your assessment of his overatedness.

Does anyone (besides children) believe in the toothfairy? Does anyone believe in pink unicorns? It might be wrong to base truth off the amount of believers, but when some guy made up a story and everyone, even him, knew it was a story then you can't tell me that's not saying something... Children are a lot of people. They don't think it's made up. You yourself claim that we cannot understand god and he is inherently illogical, so we might as well be children in this claim as well, nay? Sure, in this instance it does say something, but once you apply that premise to history and other examples, it falls through. If there really is a logical fallacy stating it's wrong to say there is a difference between God and the toothfairy because mankind accepts the fact that the toothfairy is nothing more than a fabrication used for children, well then that's a bit of irony right there. All you are doing is taking things out of context. I accept the fact that god is a fabrication. 18% of the United States is non religious. The tooth fairy is irrational, that's why we don't believe in it. It's just not rational to think that a fairy steals childrens teeth, replacing them with money in the night. As well, it's not rational to think in terms of a cartoon universe, where the cartoonist can do anything and talking snakes and zombies come back from the dead. The people who don't believe in the toothfairy might be wrong? Yes. You can't disprove the tooth fairy conclusively. Maybe the tooth fairy is now dead, but used to exist. Maybe the tooth fairy tricks adults into stealing teeth so as to divert suspicion. I don't see this as an argument against the existence of any god. If anything, it only shows that their concept of god was most likely the wrong one if god/gods really do exist. What makes your version of God superior to Zeus's? How is Zeus' wrong? If Christianity slowly died out and Scientology became the majority, would that make it true? Of course not. Was Christianity more true when more people believed in it in the Dark Ages? Of course not. Truthiness is not tied to public opinion. Nope. The sole purpose (or intention) of the fairy is to exchange money for your teeth. You can prove that it's fake by observing how the fairy doesn't fulfill that purpose. God has many more roles than that and I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to be a human being and at the same time tell me what God's intentions are. And you say my arguments are devastating? What purposes does God fulfill? Preventing evil? Nope. Why isn't everyone in one religion, the true correct one? Surely an all powerful god, would be able to, say, implant a full text of the bible or his holy book, whichever he is, into everyone's minds at birth? I fail to see any purposes that God fulfills that I can see. I believe there is a chance of there being God because it's such a universal concept and I think the idea of there being no intelligent mind-work behind creating the universe and our existence is just as unrealistic as God existing. I don't believe there is a chance of there being a toothfairy because a long time ago somebody decided to make kids happy about losing teeth, so he came up with the idea for parents to lie to their children and say that a fairy would replace their tooth with money, but the parents would actually be doing it while they slept. Did you know that over the entire history of civilized man, more people have thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it than people who know it's a spheroid? 18% of the US is non religious, and Great Britain has a much larger percentage. The public mind does not make a statement true, in any way shape or form. More is necessary. I see no reason why the term "god" can't be used loosely. Even if that cosmic being didn't qualify with our expectations of a god, he would be the closest thing and we could always change the definition. I'm still waiting for cannibalism's defining of the true power of his god concept. Maybe I could define my left nostril as god. Would that make sense at all? Of course not. My left nostril fulfills a purpose, and we can see it. It helps me breath. Or maybe evil has a purpose. What purpose? I see no reason for gratuitous evil, if there is a superbeing capable of stopping it. I couldn't put it better than this argument by Nicholas Tattersall- http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... /evil.html . EDIT: another problem with suffering. If God decrees that we suffer, why aren't we obstructing God's plan when we give drugs to relieve pain? A girl breaks her arm; if only God knows how much pain is right for her, who are we to mend it? Isn't it interfering with god's will to cause suffering for some unknown process if we alleviate it? In fact, wouldn't causing more suffering by killing and beating people up be positive-after all, suffering is purposeful for god, so the more of it the better, right?

AUGH. THANK YOU. I've been trying to figure out the right way to say this for AGES. But I could never just, do it. Thank you. Logic, is, quite simply, our only system of thought that works. It's the only thing that can make accurate predictions, it's the only thing that can test the likelihood of a concept or idea. Logic is the principle behind the scientific method, which is entirely responsible for our current high quality of life. Logic is that which allows us to contemplate metaphysics. Logic is important so others can follow your train of thinking. Otherwise, without logic, you have nothing but a collection of random thoughts that cannot be tied together. Some logic is erroneous, or a logical fallacy, but even bad logic is still a cohesive grouping of thoughts that leads to a specific conclusion. Logic allows us to draw on the wisdom of those who came before us and build upon it. Positing that something cannot be defined by logic and reason immediately removes it from discussion. I can just as easily claim whatever I want is true, and when you claim it's illogical and contradictory and unreasonable, I scream "Faith" and it's just as valid as your concept. There's no reason to discuss something not understandable by definition; it's full of hogwash. Can god create a square circle? http://www.triviumpursuit.com/articles/ ... _logic.php

That only applies to gods that are defined with clear charicteristics, not the agnostic belief that there could be a god. Also, most organized religions can have a clear contradiction in there dogma that provides a logical disproving of their accuracy.(like christianity having a god that is forgiving yet flooded the earth). All I definitively believe is that there is a god and that it is a generally good being. As I anticipate the classic how is god good if the world has so many problems lets note that I did not claim god was an all powerful being (could have any amount of power from infinite to zero with infinite being highly unlikely due to problems in the world). If you can find a flaw in that I will be impressed. I was referring to Zierro; you two have very different belief systems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, there's the fact that you're basing your belief on no proof at all. If god has no power at all or very little power, why call him god at all? He would merely be a very powerful cosmic being. I will still posit the problem of evil. If your god has very little power to thwart evil, then he's not really a god of sorts. If your god has lots of power to thwart evil, you could surely post some examples. If your god has power to thwart evil, but doesn't, then he's not good. Then, I will then again refer to my argument from non-cognitivism. Your last response was: The god concept as a statement is meaningless, and thus the hypothesis can be discarded as illogical by default, the same as if I posited the existence of "gritchnaehndkj". If I said that, you might immediately start wondering what on earth it could be referring to, while it does not refer to anything at all- it is completely and inherently meaningless. While the concept of God subjectively might stir powerful emotions and images of men in white robes, the term god itself lacks a positive, objective identity, having no primary attributes as shown several pages back. Since God is supposed to be "infinite" lacking time restraints (etc), it can be shown that god is a meaningless, negative concept, much like "I am not Stephen Harper, I do not have blonde hair, I do not hate everyone, I do not _______." While God is undefined as of now, it is meaningless, and atheism is completely justified. While I agree with you that your version of deism is the most rationally justified theistic belief system, it is still flawed inherently, as shown. If you'd like to try to define god logically, please try :twisted: I've enjoyed this particular argument(much better than lecturing people on burdens of proof :P ). http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... gless.html http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... ition.html EDIT: I promised. Now I have to ask several easy questions and one hard one to try to get a handle on your god and to fulfill my statements. Can your god create something ex nihilo (i.e., without using materials that already exist)? Can your god create a water-breathing man? Can your god create green snow? Can your god create red grass? Can your god create flowers that speak Chinese? Can your god create a human being with 30 legs? Can your god create a woman who gives birth to elephants? Can your god create a teacup that dances with a spoon? Can your god create a second moon to orbit the earth? Can your god remove all salinity from the worlds oceans? Can your god create a biological organism which requires no nutrients or oxygen to live? and finally; you've heard it before folks; can god create a rock so heavy, he can't lift it?