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Calling this undemocratic is idiotic. It's a key function of a representative democracy that the leader of the party has to contend with the Parliament, especially in the case where more than half of Canada did not vote for Harper; he has a minority government. If the coalition is not formed as the government, then there are two possible consequences: 1)Every bill the Conservatives attempt to pass is voted down and the Coalition does whatever it wants. 2)Vote of No confidence, go back to the elections 3)Coalition falls apart. If you don't want the majority of the elected representatives to work together and pass bills, you want the minority to do what it wants and claim that when the majority rules is undemocratic, it doesn't make sense as well as being illogical. Having a minority party, where more than half of Canada did not vote for them, do whatever they want as if they were the majority elect, is much more undemocratic than a completely legal coalition. It's no difference than two parties both voting the same on a bill, simply better organized.

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Not like a dragon dagger can't :P. Max is 43x2, so 43*4=172, much more than enough. Not to mention it's more accurate, poisonable, and you can wear a defender. Sure, claws are better for pvp, but they're not ALL that much better. EDIT: actually calculated that wrong, a single hit can hit 43, so it's actually in the region of ~350.

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You save maybe what, a minute per run on lunars? Compare that with losing 1/5 of your xp and 1/5 of your profit, it's really no contest. Trollheim's also the most important one, as your crops can't die.

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There's atheists who don't use science at all. I'd say they're probably few and far in between, but I'm sure there's some. Painting all atheists with the same brush is ludicrous; the only requirement is to agree with the statement: "I do not believe that God exists". Nothing more. Sure, science is a useful tool, and I'm personally beholden to it, but generalizing and stereotyping gets you no where. There were atheists far before the advent of science.

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PSSSSSSSSSSST. Creationism's been around for ten thousand years. Not in a written form, although it comes somewhat close to the timeframe you mentioned. Earliest egyptian hieroglyphs that far outdate biblical, islamic or buddhist scripture were written 3200 BC which is over 5,000 years ago, and they often concern their local gods and descriptions on how the world was made/how gods should be worshipped. In an oral form amongst primitive tribes the idea has probably been around for as long as humans have been able to communicate with each other (cave paintings and archaeologic evidence of rituals, sacrifices etc. support this) Albert Einstein explained the phenomena pretty thoroughly The problem is, only proven and useful things matter in reality and the world. When you get an education at school, you can't write your personal opinion to answer a question demanding a logical and objective answer. If you refuse to believe easily proven scientific theories and facts and select religious mythology, you can't really graduate from most colleges or universities (bar religious schools or Koran colleges) Not sure how many times it has to be repeated, but accepting scientific facts doesn't mean you can't be religious. There are countless religious scientists both in the present and history. Of course science and religion can combine, and work together. Just not evolution or big bang. You guys act like I'm some luddite or hate science. Not at all, I just don't agree with Evolution or Big Bang. And actually, you can graduate from college witho ut accepting Evolution or Big Bang. I just found this great site, it's Christian, but not that biased. Some interesting things I saw: [hide=Young Earth]Minerals Have Too Much Helium The shiny black specks in granite are mica. Within mica are natural zircon crystals, only a few microns in size. Helium quickly diffuses out of zircon. If the granite is millions of years old, as commonly believed, all the helium should be gone. However, measurements indicate that much of the helium still remains. Either the diffusion rate of the helium is not uniform, the zircon crystals are younger than believed, or both. Helium in granite is evidence that the earth is thousands of years old, not millions. http://www.icr.org/zircon-helium/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD015.html The Sea Does Not Have Enough Minerals There is not enough salt in the sea or mud on the sea floor for the seas to be billions of years old. Every year, salt accumulates in the ocean from rivers. Given the present rate it is increasing per year, the current 3.5 percent ocean salinity is much too low if this process has been going on for a very long time. Mud enters the seas through rivers and dust storms. This occurs at much faster rates than plate tectonic subduction can remove it. Each year, 19 billion tons of mud accumulates. If the oceans were ancient, the oceans would be choked with sediment dozens of kilometers deep. http://www.icr.org/ocean-salinity/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221_1.html[/hide] [hide=Debunking Evolution]Fossils Show Stasis and No Transitional Forms The fossil record reflects the original diversity of life, not an evolving tree of increasing complexity. There are many examples of "living fossils," where the species is alive today and found deep in the fossil record as well. According to evolution models for the fossil record, there are three predictions: 1. wholesale change of organisms through time 2. primitive organisms gave rise to complex organisms 3. gradual derivation of new organisms produced transitional forms. However, these predictions are not borne out by the data from the fossil record. Trilobites, for instance, appear suddenly in the fossil record without any transitions. There are no fossils between simple single-cell organisms, such as bacteria, and complex invertebrates, such as trilobites. Extinct trilobites had as much organized complexity as any of todays invertebrates. In addition to trilobites, billions of other fossils have been found that suddenly appear, fully formed, such as clams, snails, sponges, and jellyfish. Over 300 different body plans are found without any fossil transitions between them and single-cell organisms. Fish have no ancestors or transitional forms to show how invertebrates, with their skeletons on the outside, became vertebrates with their skeletons inside. Fossils of a wide variety of flying and crawling insects appear without any transitions. Dragonflies, for example, appear suddenly in the fossil record. The highly complex systems that enable the dragonfly's aerodynamic abilities have no ancestors in the fossil record. In the entire fossil record, there is not a single unequivocal transition form proving a causal relationship between any two species. From the billions of fossils we have discovered, there should be thousands of clear examples if they existed. The lack of transitions between species in the fossil record is what would be expected if life was created. http://www.icr.org/living-fossils/ EVERYTHING is a transitional stage. There is NO end-point in evolution. In addition, http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html Fossils Show Rapid and Catastrophic Burial Beveled surfaces below, within, and above thick strata sequences provide evidence of rapid flood and post-flood erosion. Fossils provide universal evidence of rapid burial, and even agonizing death. Rapid burial is necessary to entomb organisms as the first step in fossilization. The abundant marine invertebrate fossils throughout the entire fossil strata demonstrate extraordinary burial conditions. Polystrate fossil logs (tree trunks in vertical position running through several sedimentary layers) are common in the fossil layers and are clear evidence of rapid burial. Common vertebrate fossils show rigor mortis and postures indicative of asphyxiationsudden smothering of the animal (e.g., Archaeopteryx and dinosaur fossils in the quarry at Dinosaur National Monument). http://www.icr.org/fossilization/ http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC362.html Fossils Are Found at All Levels The earth is covered with layers of sedimentary rock, much of it containing microscopic fossils such as plankton, pollen, and spores. The entire record of visible fossils consists mainly of marine invertebrates (animals without a backbone), including clams, jellyfish, and coral. What is surprising is that these ocean creatures are found primarily on the continents and rarely in the deep ocean basins. More clam shells are found on mountain peaks than under the ocean floor. From the bottom layers to the top layers, most fossils are marine creatures. The upper levels do have an increasing number of vertebrates, such as fish and amphibians, reptiles, and mammals, but the fossils at the bottom levels are equally as complex as any animal today. All fossil types appear suddenly, fully formed and fully functional, without less complex ancestors under them. The fossil record is strong evidence for the sudden appearance of life by creation, followed by rapid burial during a global flood. http://www.icr.org/invertebrates/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html[/hide] [hide=Creation]The Universe Has a Center Our solar system appears to be near the center of the universe. Galaxies look the same, and are moving away from us in the same way, in all directions. The cosmic microwave background radiation comes to us very uniformly from all directions. These and other data strongly indicate we are located at a very special location by design. Instead of accepting the obvious, recent models of physical cosmology assume the earth is not special and that everywhere in the universe the exact same observation of receding objects would be seen. Instead of a universe with an age measured in thousands of years, this assumption leads to billions of years. In contrast, creation cosmologies explain the data better by starting from biblically-based axioms: the cosmos has a unique center and a boundary for its matter, beyond which there is at least some empty space; and on a cosmic scale of distances, the earth is near the center. http://www.icr.org/universe-center/ http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/centre.html Distance to nearest star: 1.3 pc Distance to the Orion Nebula: 450 pc Thickness of Milky Way's stellar disk: 1 kpc Distance to center of our Galaxy: 8.5 kpc Distance to Magellanic clouds (satellite galaxies): 55 kpc Distance to Andromeda galaxy : 0.66 Mpc Distance to Virgo cluster of galaxies : 19 Mpc Distance to edge of observable universe : 3000 Mpc http://sparky.rice.edu/~hartigan/nsci11 ... ssign.html The Universe Was Created Recently The universe is only several thousand years old. Comets are an example of a natural clock within our solar system. With each orbit around the sun, comets lose considerable mass. They cannot be very old because they cannot survive many orbits. To get around this problem, many astronomers assume there is a vast cloud of comets out near the edge of the solar system, which releases new comets every so often. This imaginary cloud is called the "Oort Cloud," named after the astronomer who proposed it. The problem is that there is no observational evidence such a cloud exists at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt "Comets entering the inner solar system for the first time may brighten rapidly before fading as they near the Sun, as a layer of highly volatile material evaporates. This was the case with Comet Kohoutek in 1973; it was initially touted as potentially spectacular, but only appeared moderately bright. Older comets show a more consistent brightening pattern. Thus, all indications pointed that Comet Hyakutake would be bright." We can measure the approximate amount of time a comet has been in the solar system through this method, as well as predictive trigonometry. Each year our knowledge of astronomy increases with new evidence concerning the origin of our solar system, our galaxy, and our universe. While it is possible to make assumptions beyond what can be observed and verified, the heavens continue to bear witness to recent creation. http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/[/hide] To get around this problem, many astronomers assume there is a vast cloud of comets out near the edge of the solar system, which releases new comets every so often. This imaginary cloud is called the "Oort Cloud," named after the astronomer who proposed it. The problem is that there is no observational evidence such a cloud exists at all. Huh? I always thought Atheists always had the evidence. No, but we won't stop looking. All the evidence points to the existence of such a cloud, but that's not enough for us ;). I see ad hominem attacks are enjoyable to you too. If you saw a dripping faucet, would you think it logical to estimate to the existence of a water source nearby? [hide=Earth]Earth's Core Was Created to Protect Life Our planet was created for life. A smaller planet, like Mars, would be unable to hold our atmosphere, which protects us from meteoroids and keeps the temperature within the range needed for life. A larger planet, like Neptune, would trap too much atmosphere. The pressure and temperature would greatly increase. A stronger gravity from the increased size would also trap harmful gases in the atmosphere. Earth has a strong magnetic field. This protects us from harmful radiation from the sun. http://www.icr.org/earths-core/ There's hundreds of other known planets known to be very similar to our distance in size and distance from the sun. Yes, our planet is okay for life. That's why there's life here. That's not an argument either way. Earth's Water Cycle Protects and Provides Clouds function as earth's curtains, balancing the temperature. When they form, they block the sun when the temperature on earth becomes too hot, and they let the sunlight in when it becomes too cold. When the earth is hot, more water evaporates from the oceans and turns into clouds. These clouds reflect more energy and the earth cools. When the earth is cold, the clouds cool and condense into rain and snow. With fewer clouds, less energy is reflected. The energy reaches the earth and warms it. The earth has the most diverse collection of reflective surfaces in our solar system. Simple physics. An action causes an equal and opposite reaction. It's really just elementary weather. What about tornadoes, hurricans, typhoons, floods, storms, heat waves, blizzards, and such. Water is the most abundant chemical compound on earth. Water covers three fourths of the earth's surface. Between half to three fourths of your body is water. Water is ideal for carbon-based chemistry. And? Water is transported from the ocean to the atmosphere, to the land, and then back to the ocean. The ocean is the primary storehouse of water on the earth. The sun evaporates water from the oceans, which rises into the atmosphere and eventually returns to the ocean. Copypasta of irrelevant preschool wheather, yay! The atmosphere also stores a small quantity of water. Wind blows water vapor from the hot ocean to the cool land. Cooling water vapor condenses into clouds. Water falls back to the land as rain and snow. The land also stores water. Fresh water is held for months in ice and snow. Water infiltrates into the land and is stored underground. Surface water flows into streams and rivers. Lakes store water. Water flows from the land back into the ocean. Water expands when it freezes, unlike most other substances. Ice and snow take up more volume than the same amount of liquid water. This makes water denser as a liquid than when frozen, so ice floats on the surface. If ice did not float on the surface of the water, the floors of oceans and lakes would be covered with glaciers of ice that never melt. Ice helps regulate the climate by reflecting energy. As a liquid, water's temperature range is perfect for cycling water from the oceans to the land. Water takes a lot of energy to evaporate into a vapor, and it releases this energy when it condenses back into liquid. This absorbtion and release of energy balances temperatures in the earth's climate, as well as inside living cells. If less energy were required for evaporation, streams, rivers, and lakes would evaporate away quickly. Beautiful clouds and sunsets inspire praise for the Creator who forms them. We are blessed by the water that flows though our biosphere. HAHAHAHA. Sorry, I just found that hilarious. It's beautiful, therefore god. What about unbeautiful things? Did the devil make them? :P. The reason water is so heavily used by life is specifically because of these properties, not the other way around. http://www.icr.org/water-cycle/[/hide] I think there are some very good points in here. A creationist argument here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE412.html (also a refutation) Sorry, but that load of BS made me very sad. It's taking conclusions and finding evidence to support them, rather than the other way around. A true bastardization of science. Sure ok, and Atheists have never ever done that. And fyi, you just answered the Creationist's argument with your reply to my Oort Cloud. We see evidencem and we look for more, surely if we see some water come out, we'll look for more, rather than no water at all. Argumentum ad hominem. I will no longer respond to these without some sort of support. Atheists are not a collective. There is no doctrine or dogma. There is only one requirement; unbelief in a fairy in the sky. Please, find a scientifically viable alternative to evolution or the Oort Cloud. You'll win a Nobel Prize. I don't see any evidence. You have a manuscript, and are looking for evidence to support it. You have taken a conclusion, and looked to support it by fabricating evidence. The scientific approach is to first look for evidence, then, using that evidence, formulate a theory. You started with the theory and worked backwards. I'd point you to the discovery of cosmic background radiation as an example.

PSSSSSSSSSSST. Creationism's been around for ten thousand years. Not in a written form, although it comes somewhat close to the timeframe you mentioned. Earliest egyptian hieroglyphs that far outdate biblical, islamic or buddhist scripture were written 3200 BC which is over 5,000 years ago, and they often concern their local gods and descriptions on how the world was made/how gods should be worshipped. In an oral form amongst primitive tribes the idea has probably been around for as long as humans have been able to communicate with each other (cave paintings and archaeologic evidence of rituals, sacrifices etc. support this) Albert Einstein explained the phenomena pretty thoroughly The problem is, only proven and useful things matter in reality and the world. When you get an education at school, you can't write your personal opinion to answer a question demanding a logical and objective answer. If you refuse to believe easily proven scientific theories and facts and select religious mythology, you can't really graduate from most colleges or universities (bar religious schools or Koran colleges) Not sure how many times it has to be repeated, but accepting scientific facts doesn't mean you can't be religious. There are countless religious scientists both in the present and history. Of course science and religion can combine, and work together. Just not evolution or big bang. You guys act like I'm some luddite or hate science. Not at all, I just don't agree with Evolution or Big Bang. And actually, you can graduate from college witho ut accepting Evolution or Big Bang. I just found this great site, it's Christian, but not that biased. Some interesting things I saw: [hide=Young Earth]Minerals Have Too Much Helium The shiny black specks in granite are mica. Within mica are natural zircon crystals, only a few microns in size. Helium quickly diffuses out of zircon. If the granite is millions of years old, as commonly believed, all the helium should be gone. However, measurements indicate that much of the helium still remains. Either the diffusion rate of the helium is not uniform, the zircon crystals are younger than believed, or both. Helium in granite is evidence that the earth is thousands of years old, not millions. http://www.icr.org/zircon-helium/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD015.html The Sea Does Not Have Enough Minerals There is not enough salt in the sea or mud on the sea floor for the seas to be billions of years old. Every year, salt accumulates in the ocean from rivers. Given the present rate it is increasing per year, the current 3.5 percent ocean salinity is much too low if this process has been going on for a very long time. Mud enters the seas through rivers and dust storms. This occurs at much faster rates than plate tectonic subduction can remove it. Each year, 19 billion tons of mud accumulates. If the oceans were ancient, the oceans would be choked with sediment dozens of kilometers deep. http://www.icr.org/ocean-salinity/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD221_1.html[/hide] [hide=Debunking Evolution]Fossils Show Stasis and No Transitional Forms The fossil record reflects the original diversity of life, not an evolving tree of increasing complexity. There are many examples of "living fossils," where the species is alive today and found deep in the fossil record as well. According to evolution models for the fossil record, there are three predictions: 1. wholesale change of organisms through time 2. primitive organisms gave rise to complex organisms 3. gradual derivation of new organisms produced transitional forms. However, these predictions are not borne out by the data from the fossil record. Trilobites, for instance, appear suddenly in the fossil record without any transitions. There are no fossils between simple single-cell organisms, such as bacteria, and complex invertebrates, such as trilobites. Extinct trilobites had as much organized complexity as any of todays invertebrates. In addition to trilobites, billions of other fossils have been found that suddenly appear, fully formed, such as clams, snails, sponges, and jellyfish. Over 300 different body plans are found without any fossil transitions between them and single-cell organisms. Fish have no ancestors or transitional forms to show how invertebrates, with their skeletons on the outside, became vertebrates with their skeletons inside. Fossils of a wide variety of flying and crawling insects appear without any transitions. Dragonflies, for example, appear suddenly in the fossil record. The highly complex systems that enable the dragonfly's aerodynamic abilities have no ancestors in the fossil record. In the entire fossil record, there is not a single unequivocal transition form proving a causal relationship between any two species. From the billions of fossils we have discovered, there should be thousands of clear examples if they existed. The lack of transitions between species in the fossil record is what would be expected if life was created. http://www.icr.org/living-fossils/ EVERYTHING is a transitional stage. There is NO end-point in evolution. In addition, http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html Fossils Show Rapid and Catastrophic Burial Beveled surfaces below, within, and above thick strata sequences provide evidence of rapid flood and post-flood erosion. Fossils provide universal evidence of rapid burial, and even agonizing death. Rapid burial is necessary to entomb organisms as the first step in fossilization. The abundant marine invertebrate fossils throughout the entire fossil strata demonstrate extraordinary burial conditions. Polystrate fossil logs (tree trunks in vertical position running through several sedimentary layers) are common in the fossil layers and are clear evidence of rapid burial. Common vertebrate fossils show rigor mortis and postures indicative of asphyxiationsudden smothering of the animal (e.g., Archaeopteryx and dinosaur fossils in the quarry at Dinosaur National Monument). http://www.icr.org/fossilization/ http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC362.html Fossils Are Found at All Levels The earth is covered with layers of sedimentary rock, much of it containing microscopic fossils such as plankton, pollen, and spores. The entire record of visible fossils consists mainly of marine invertebrates (animals without a backbone), including clams, jellyfish, and coral. What is surprising is that these ocean creatures are found primarily on the continents and rarely in the deep ocean basins. More clam shells are found on mountain peaks than under the ocean floor. From the bottom layers to the top layers, most fossils are marine creatures. The upper levels do have an increasing number of vertebrates, such as fish and amphibians, reptiles, and mammals, but the fossils at the bottom levels are equally as complex as any animal today. All fossil types appear suddenly, fully formed and fully functional, without less complex ancestors under them. The fossil record is strong evidence for the sudden appearance of life by creation, followed by rapid burial during a global flood. http://www.icr.org/invertebrates/ http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.html[/hide] [hide=Creation]The Universe Has a Center Our solar system appears to be near the center of the universe. Galaxies look the same, and are moving away from us in the same way, in all directions. The cosmic microwave background radiation comes to us very uniformly from all directions. These and other data strongly indicate we are located at a very special location by design. Instead of accepting the obvious, recent models of physical cosmology assume the earth is not special and that everywhere in the universe the exact same observation of receding objects would be seen. Instead of a universe with an age measured in thousands of years, this assumption leads to billions of years. In contrast, creation cosmologies explain the data better by starting from biblically-based axioms: the cosmos has a unique center and a boundary for its matter, beyond which there is at least some empty space; and on a cosmic scale of distances, the earth is near the center. http://www.icr.org/universe-center/ http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/centre.html Distance to nearest star: 1.3 pc Distance to the Orion Nebula: 450 pc Thickness of Milky Way's stellar disk: 1 kpc Distance to center of our Galaxy: 8.5 kpc Distance to Magellanic clouds (satellite galaxies): 55 kpc Distance to Andromeda galaxy : 0.66 Mpc Distance to Virgo cluster of galaxies : 19 Mpc Distance to edge of observable universe : 3000 Mpc http://sparky.rice.edu/~hartigan/nsci11 ... ssign.html The Universe Was Created Recently The universe is only several thousand years old. Comets are an example of a natural clock within our solar system. With each orbit around the sun, comets lose considerable mass. They cannot be very old because they cannot survive many orbits. To get around this problem, many astronomers assume there is a vast cloud of comets out near the edge of the solar system, which releases new comets every so often. This imaginary cloud is called the "Oort Cloud," named after the astronomer who proposed it. The problem is that there is no observational evidence such a cloud exists at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuiper_belt "Comets entering the inner solar system for the first time may brighten rapidly before fading as they near the Sun, as a layer of highly volatile material evaporates. This was the case with Comet Kohoutek in 1973; it was initially touted as potentially spectacular, but only appeared moderately bright. Older comets show a more consistent brightening pattern. Thus, all indications pointed that Comet Hyakutake would be bright." We can measure the approximate amount of time a comet has been in the solar system through this method, as well as predictive trigonometry. Each year our knowledge of astronomy increases with new evidence concerning the origin of our solar system, our galaxy, and our universe. While it is possible to make assumptions beyond what can be observed and verified, the heavens continue to bear witness to recent creation. http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/[/hide] To get around this problem, many astronomers assume there is a vast cloud of comets out near the edge of the solar system, which releases new comets every so often. This imaginary cloud is called the "Oort Cloud," named after the astronomer who proposed it. The problem is that there is no observational evidence such a cloud exists at all. Huh? I always thought Atheists always had the evidence. No, but we won't stop looking. All the evidence points to the existence of such a cloud, but that's not enough for us ;). I see ad hominem attacks are enjoyable to you too. If you saw a dripping faucet, would you think it logical to estimate to the existence of a water source nearby? [hide=Earth]Earth's Core Was Created to Protect Life Our planet was created for life. A smaller planet, like Mars, would be unable to hold our atmosphere, which protects us from meteoroids and keeps the temperature within the range needed for life. A larger planet, like Neptune, would trap too much atmosphere. The pressure and temperature would greatly increase. A stronger gravity from the increased size would also trap harmful gases in the atmosphere. Earth has a strong magnetic field. This protects us from harmful radiation from the sun. http://www.icr.org/earths-core/ There's hundreds of other known planets known to be very similar to our distance in size and distance from the sun. Yes, our planet is okay for life. That's why there's life here. That's not an argument either way. Earth's Water Cycle Protects and Provides Clouds function as earth's curtains, balancing the temperature. When they form, they block the sun when the temperature on earth becomes too hot, and they let the sunlight in when it becomes too cold. When the earth is hot, more water evaporates from the oceans and turns into clouds. These clouds reflect more energy and the earth cools. When the earth is cold, the clouds cool and condense into rain and snow. With fewer clouds, less energy is reflected. The energy reaches the earth and warms it. The earth has the most diverse collection of reflective surfaces in our solar system. Simple physics. An action causes an equal and opposite reaction. It's really just elementary weather. What about tornadoes, hurricans, typhoons, floods, storms, heat waves, blizzards, and such. Water is the most abundant chemical compound on earth. Water covers three fourths of the earth's surface. Between half to three fourths of your body is water. Water is ideal for carbon-based chemistry. And? Water is transported from the ocean to the atmosphere, to the land, and then back to the ocean. The ocean is the primary storehouse of water on the earth. The sun evaporates water from the oceans, which rises into the atmosphere and eventually returns to the ocean. Copypasta of irrelevant preschool wheather, yay! The atmosphere also stores a small quantity of water. Wind blows water vapor from the hot ocean to the cool land. Cooling water vapor condenses into clouds. Water falls back to the land as rain and snow. The land also stores water. Fresh water is held for months in ice and snow. Water infiltrates into the land and is stored underground. Surface water flows into streams and rivers. Lakes store water. Water flows from the land back into the ocean. Water expands when it freezes, unlike most other substances. Ice and snow take up more volume than the same amount of liquid water. This makes water denser as a liquid than when frozen, so ice floats on the surface. If ice did not float on the surface of the water, the floors of oceans and lakes would be covered with glaciers of ice that never melt. Ice helps regulate the climate by reflecting energy. As a liquid, water's temperature range is perfect for cycling water from the oceans to the land. Water takes a lot of energy to evaporate into a vapor, and it releases this energy when it condenses back into liquid. This absorbtion and release of energy balances temperatures in the earth's climate, as well as inside living cells. If less energy were required for evaporation, streams, rivers, and lakes would evaporate away quickly. Beautiful clouds and sunsets inspire praise for the Creator who forms them. We are blessed by the water that flows though our biosphere. HAHAHAHA. Sorry, I just found that hilarious. It's beautiful, therefore god. What about unbeautiful things? Did the devil make them? :P. The reason water is so heavily used by life is specifically because of these properties, not the other way around. http://www.icr.org/water-cycle/[/hide] I think there are some very good points in here. A creationist argument here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE412.html (also a refutation) Sorry, but that load of BS made me very sad. It's taking conclusions and finding evidence to support them, rather than the other way around. A true bastardization of science. You won't ever find a reputable scientific institution backing a 6000 year old universe/earth; it's based on absolutely no evidence. They would be laughed out of any convention.

It's been done now, thanks :)

There it has part of the attack hitting 30. This helps my theory, as it is more likely to have melee attacks increase with the usual indicators. I am still yet to see both parts of the spec hit over 16. Is it so impossible for the placement of the orders of the attacks to be vertically random? Stingman: This will not be updated with unproven information, which is why it is taking so long.

Who says a mustard seed has little faith? :P Sorry, had to say it. Hate to start another war over semantics here, but faith as small as a mustard seed can mean faith the size of a mustard seed or faith which is equal to the faith that a mustard seed has. Which goes into interpretation. I know you keep saying we're choosing which parts of the Bible to interpret literally and which to interpret figuratively, so I'll admit it. We are. But that's the way it is supposed to be. I'm pretty sure your not going to understand what I am trying to say, but some parts of the Bible were meant to be taken figuratively. Numerous parables show this. When Jesus says mustard seed, he's refering to the whole context that comes with it. It'd be like me using an idiom now. No one who doesn't know the context/reference would know what I was talking about. I don't have time to explain it now, but I could if I did and you cared to hear it (not that you'd listen). Oh, and I believe I can move mountains. (not figuratively) On my own time, not yours. Jesus is not going round about. He straight out says that nearly everyone with faith can do it. It's not like it's Revelations here, he's straight out saying it in very plain language. A mustard seed is very very small physically, and I would think it not a hard wager to state that inanimate objects don't have very much faith, so either way the point is the same. Either you say that Jesus is LYING, or that you, nor anyone, has that much faith. How can you justify worshiping a book that is supposed to guide your life, that says that you must obey ALL of it, and yet pick and choose what to believe in? Why can't I say that the 10 commandments are figurative and I can make as many graven images as I want, but you can dance around this with the same argument? I am not saying Jesus is LYING. I do not pick and choose what to believe in. Those are your words and your words alone. Why can't you say that the 10 commandments are figurative? Because the context the 10 commandments were given in had nothing to indicate that that they should be taken figuratively. This, on the other hand, does. Can faith be measured and quantified in any way that would indicate size? No. Therefore, you must look for deeper meaning in the figurative possibilities. Besides, Jesus was directly addressing the disciples at this point. They had repeatedly shown that they were of little faith. They had seen Jesus perform miracles over and over yet still doubted him whenever he was about to perform one or said something they didn't understand. Then there is the idea that we are making a comparison to the mustard seed's own faith, which can be looked at in a different metaphorical light. The mustard seed, as you said a very very small object, must have a large faith that it will receive all the water and nutrients it needs to grow. If we assume it does in the metaphorical sight, we need only look to the spreading nature of the mustard plant. In those days, mustard plants were looked upon as weeds because they spread so quickly and could so quickly take over a plot of land. Seen in this light, the spreading of the plant is a result/representation of the seed's (very large) faith. Or, you could just go with the fact that the disciples did, indeed, have very little faith. As for myself, I already said that I believe I can move mountains (again, not figuratively). On the subject of gay rights, sure the Bible says it is wrong, and I believe that. But that does not mean that we should punish those people or take away any human rights because they are homosexual. Once again to you Tryto, I believe in the entire Bible, I DO NOT pick and choose what to believe in. Whether or not you think that is what I am doing, that's your opinion. The Bible says in very very plain NOT figurative that the only thing to do with homosexuals is to stone them to death in several places. Are you disobeying your holy text? Are you seriously going to argue that it is figurative? It says to punish people. Literally. And so it was done. Naturally, I think that your moving mountains story is a load of crock. Do it, and I'll believe you. Until then, I can do the same with power from Vishnu, but I won't show you. Prove me wrong, please. I know you are picking and choosing what you believe is figurative and what is literal(and therefore what to believe in and follow and not), from the sheer fact that you are not Jewish, you eat pork and shellfish, you wear polyester, and you don't stone adulterers and homosexuals. ~Mustard seed argument: Hahahahahahahahahaha. You just put up 1) and argument that Jesus says that you must have a large amount of faith to do something, because he was talking about a seed which grows a lot. That breaks his parable. The point of his parable, that is obviously very plain to see, is that you only need a small amount of faith to do a large miracle. If he says you need a lot of faith to do so, his parable does not make any sense and doesn't teach anything.

OOh! I see what you mean now. The MELEE part of the attack can hit much higher than the magic, up to 25 and higher. The MAGIC part of the attack(which is 8 in the picture) has a much lower max, of around 16 or so. Since this attack is two-parts, to make a definite conclusion either way we'd need a hit of two numbers of 17 or higher ;). Thanks a lot for taking the time! :D

Who says a mustard seed has little faith? :P Sorry, had to say it. Hate to start another war over semantics here, but faith as small as a mustard seed can mean faith the size of a mustard seed or faith which is equal to the faith that a mustard seed has. Which goes into interpretation. I know you keep saying we're choosing which parts of the Bible to interpret literally and which to interpret figuratively, so I'll admit it. We are. But that's the way it is supposed to be. I'm pretty sure your not going to understand what I am trying to say, but some parts of the Bible were meant to be taken figuratively. Numerous parables show this. When Jesus says mustard seed, he's refering to the whole context that comes with it. It'd be like me using an idiom now. No one who doesn't know the context/reference would know what I was talking about. I don't have time to explain it now, but I could if I did and you cared to hear it (not that you'd listen). Oh, and I believe I can move mountains. (not figuratively) On my own time, not yours. Jesus is not going round about. He straight out says that nearly everyone with faith can do it. It's not like it's Revelations here, he's straight out saying it in very plain language. A mustard seed is very very small physically, and I would think it not a hard wager to state that inanimate objects don't have very much faith, so either way the point is the same. Either you say that Jesus is LYING, or that you, nor anyone, has that much faith. How can you justify worshiping a book that is supposed to guide your life, that says that you must obey ALL of it, and yet pick and choose what to believe in? Why can't I say that the 10 commandments are figurative and I can make as many graven images as I want, but you can dance around this with the same argument?

So basically, I can make the Bible say whatever I want to, because I can say some of it's literal and some of it's not, and I can choose which parts are. It says YOU. That means the person whom Jesus is speaking to, not HIMSELF. I see things stand in the way of a lot of people who have faith. So, you are saying to me, that you have very little faith. You can't move a mountain.

The government shouldn't bail out ANYONE. It's your tax dollars, which is just slushed into the government's coffers and then sent to these companies. If they created a product which people actually wanted, then they wouldn't need handouts. If they don't, then they don't serve a purpose and should collapse to free up the market. They're not going to be able to repay this loan; all car companies have been doing lately is losing more and more ground to other companies, which simply make better cars that are desired more than theirs.

Just hopping in: Matthew 17:20. 20He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."[a] Do you have so little faith? Why does everyone have so little faith and no one can move a mountain close to my house so I can ski? I'll believe in God if and when you move a mountain to my front door.