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Imagine amulet with following stats: Attack Stab: 15 Slash: 15 Crush: 15 Magic: 0 Range: 0 Defence Stab: 0 Slash: 0 Crush: 0 Magic: 0 Range: 10 Strength: 8 Prayer: 0 This is same for meleer as what rangers got now. Would you take this over fury for bosses, pvp or training?

You could add that you can do troll slayer tasks here.

1 Kwuarm seed 1 Belladonna seed 1 Poison ivy seed 1 Cadantine seed

I can't be sure, 99 magic helps a lot for sure in surviving and lower level fighting familiar tanks hits in same way as higher level. Feel free to try but take a few more food and less p pots to ensure surviving. Healing titan is not too bad choice either since it both heals and fights. However, I would say that sticking with Ancient cavern waterfiends (wearing void) is better if you don't have wolpertinger/iron titan simply because spirit dagannoth doesn't boost your killing speed enough to make these fiends worth it.

Thank you SirTommy :) Hope you like it. Squareroot, fighting familiar boosts your killing most during the aggressive phase. Thus it would be inefficient and wasting time to use bob for food. Remember banking takes only like 5 minutes. Long trips are not main goal here if you are after fast charms. Of course the final answer is always up to your preferences.. If you want to be sure that you finish task without banking just take 1 unicorn pouch and some scrolls with you and switch to them when you need to. I haven't tried this method for slayer task myself yet since I haven't been doing slayer much lately.

Yay, at least I helped someone! Thank you for using this guide! ^^ Now I know this is not totally useless lol.

Just want to announce that due to today's update this method will be a lot better since you can use SGS special attacks a lot more frequently :) And same works in my ORK training guide as well. Thank you Jagex!

So, yeah.

Since you asked I added a video of killing them with Steel titan, check section 14. Was using it first time there.. got feeling Iron titan is actually better against them. Might not be accurate because I was lagging a lot but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. They are weak to crush attack and Iron titan uses melee whilst steel titan mostly range.. also specials are melee attacks for iron and range attacks for steel titan.

Actually I have never really used geysir titan there, I guess I will give it a try. I think it's quite good.

Text is heavy mostly because I tried to cover every little detail :) And also because I can't write in a simple way lol :P Duo method is primarily aimed for friends, a fun way to spend time together and get good amount of charms while doing so. I would be really surprised if you found some random person in game or from forums who would want to do that, feel free to try, though :D Thank you all for your feedback, it's appreciated.

I did some duo trips with my friends who had 96 and 97 summoning and maxed melee. I admit it is hard to find anyone to do it unless you have friends who are interested in doing this. There actually is some other real use for heal other spell: Bandos and zamorak GWD for supporting tanker using unicorn. If you are attacker and using unicorn you receive much less damage than you are able to heal and thus unicorn healing capacity goes to waste. I have tried it there succesfully (dharoking too at same time :))

Table of contest: 1. Introduction 2. Suggested levels 3. Quest requirements 4. Equipment 5. Inventory 6. Familiar 7. Preparation 8. Fight 9. Banking 10. Charm rates 11. Economics 12. Experience rates 13. Duo method 14. Videos 15. Closing words [hide=1. Introduction]This guide shows you a method how a high level player can gain at least same amount crimson charms in same time as he would get by ice barraging rock lobsters. Without forgetting minor amounts of other charms. Without losing much cash and getting fast xp too. Have fun reading! P.S. I am aware that there is already a Guide to Chaos dungeon waterfiends. However this guide is more detailed which is the reason why I wanted to post it anyway.[/hide] [hide=2. Suggested levels]Attack: 95+ Strength: 95+ Defence: 95+ Prayer: 70+ Magic: 95+ Summoning: 95+ (you can do also at 79+ and 92+ but slower) - You can do this with lower stats but this is what I suggest for efficient killing. With lower stats you will easily end up to use more supplies.[/hide] [hide=3. Quest requirements]- As a First Resort (for Oo'glog baths) - The Fremennik Isles (for Helm of Neitiznot) - Recipe for disaster (for Barrows gloves) - Wolf Whistle (Obviously for summoning..)[/hide] [hide=4. Equipment] Back: Fire cape > Fishing cape (t) > Any other trimmed skillcape > God cloak Body: Karil's top > Armadyl chestplate Feet: Dragon boots Hands: Barrows gloves > Dragon gloves/ Regen bracelet Head: Slayer helmet (e) > Helm of Neitiznot (e) Legs: Karil's skirt > Armadyl plateskirt Neck: Amulet of fury Ring: Berserker ring > Ring of life Shield: No shield used Weapon: Saradomin sword (for str training)/ Zamorakian spear (for controlled training) Special weapon: Saradomin Godsword - Use suggested items, there is no reason to compromise anything. This is for best possible offence without losing magic defence. This is why I don't put secondary items for most slots. Slayer helmet if you have waterfiend slayer task. If you have bad internet connection you can use ring of life.[/hide] [hide=5. Inventory] 1 Saradomin Godsword 1 Camelot teleport tablet 150 Iron within scrolls 3 Saradomin brews (4) 1 Super restore (4) 1 Super attack (4) 1 Super strength (4) 9 prayer potions (4) 10 sharks (can switch them to pineapple pizzas if you want, I find it annoying there to click twice to eat) - If you want you can use also prayer mixes here. They heal 6 hp each dose, thus 2 of them give 4 doses of pray pot and heal 24 hp which is more than 1 prayer pot and 1 shark give. So, you can just switch 1 of each for 2 prayer mixes. Depending on your levels you may find this inventory doesn't work for you, then mix a bit amounts of prayer potions and sharks. This is good inventory to start with.[/hide] [hide=6. Familiar]Steel titan > Iron titan > wolpertinger > elemental titans - If you are using wolpertinger you should use void knight melee armour because you don't need scrolls. Steel and Iron titans are best for fast killing, when you are killing them quickly you won't receive that much damage either. Wolpertinger gives you +10% magic defence that you can increase even further by using scrolls of it to boost your magic level by 7. It's also pretty good fighter. Elemental titans are not good fighters but will heal and fight thus having double effect. Definitely take spare pouch if you are using them since they will get killed quickly. I don't suggest using unicorn or beast of burdens here, if you want to use them you should go to Ancient cavern because they don't make you to get faster charms here.[/hide] [hide=7. Preparation]First thing to do: Hop into world with as few people as possible. Yes, you read right, you want unpopulated world for slow respawns. This is important thing to do. After this equip yourself. Add scrolls into your helmet already. Set your weapon for crush attack and turn auto retaliate on. Get your inventory ready (leave food in bank). Take glory from bank. Teleport to camelot (or catherby if you are on lunar magic) and use charter ship to Oo'glog (1700gp). You can also use Mobilizing Armies teleports. Take baths in Run energy restore pool, prayer pool and hitpoint pool (3 in the middle). Run energy pool because it's nice to have endless run in case you get bad luck with Chaos dungeon portals, hp and prayer boost effects cannot be neglected either. After last bath teleport to Edgeville. Summon your iron titan, take sips of super defence, attack and strength potions (don't use your 4 dose potions for this..). Now you are ready and you can withdraw your food and head to Chaos dungeon. Use following route to reach your target room: Cargoyles (meleeprayer), Mummies (meleeprayer), Zamorak mages, Dust devils, Black demons (meleeprayer), Earth Warriors (magic prayer, in case bronze dragon attacks), Turoths. [/hide] [hide=8. Fight!]Before entering room turn on Protect from Missiles and Piety. Waterfiends will be aggressive for about 10 minutes and until that you will need to use both prayers. You have to juggle your food a bit in the beginning. This inconvenience shouldn't last for long, though, unless you are getting many food drops. Use your first 2 SGS special attacks wisely, wait until you need both hp and prayer restore. Your special bar won't get recharged before Fiends come unaggressive and even after that it recharges slower than it should. This is because of using titan scrolls and is a glitch in my opinion and I have reported it too. EDIT! After update 8th July this no more occurs. While fiends are aggressive your familiar will attack them automatically quite quickly, usually. However, sometimes he doesn't and you need to use call familiar button to get him back to work quickly. Do it as soon as you see him standing somewhere doing nothing. Try to pile fiends by attacking same monsters that your familiar is attacking. In this way you will have less of them on you at once and you will receive significantly less damage. This is also the reason why we hopped to empty world in the beginning. Notice also how your familiar is tanking many of the waterfiend attacks that would hit you otherwise. After they become unaggressive you have to change tactic a bit. Stop wasting prayer points for protection prayer but definitely continue pietying until the end of the trip. You need both defence, attack and prayer bonus you get from using it. Using familiar requires a bit more attention now. Call him as soon as waterfiend you have attacked starts attacking you back. Don't wait until he autoattacks, often fiend is killed before that. Usually you receive a few attacks, then fiend will switch target and attack your familiar. When having high stats and pietying you usually can finish your target monster before it starts attacking you again. This is why I said using protection prayer at this points is waste. For even more efficiency attack new fiend always when previous is at low hp, then finish it off. In this way you receive a bit more damage but also get your familiar to move immediately towards new target. In the end of the trip if you have ran out of food you can replace it by using Redemption prayer. It may sound a bit crazy but actually works. Just remember Waterfiends have max hit of 11. When being at 12-18 hp and having under 10 prayer points left turn that prayer on. When you receive damage and go under 10% hp your hp will get boosted to 30+. Then you can just take a new sip of prayer potion and continue killing a while with only piety on until your hp gets back down again. Often you can also use SGS special or receive some nice food drops. When your familiar dies (yes, even iron titan will get killed there and I bet steel titan does so too), best choice is to use your remaining prayer points for pietying and teleport off. Having no familiar slows you down a lot and also makes you to use a lot more supplies. I have sometimes been taking 1 extra pouch that I can use when this happens. Up to your choice but I suggest starting without extra pouch and use that space for supply especially if you have lower levels than maxed. If you prefer longer trips with extra pouch, take less food and more prayer potions. You may have hard time especially when they are aggressive and may have to waste prayer points for protection prayer because of having no food. Feel free to try, though, it can be fun :) Repot between 8-10 minutes (time is easy to check from your stats). Let your hp go down to 50-60 before doing so, drink 3 doses of sara brew and 1 dose of other pots. If possible, do repotting immediately after your stats have gone down, so that you will get full effect of them (Of course it's not a big difference but everything counts :)) It's good idea to use SGS specials soon after potting, don't waste them at full hp, though, unless you have really plenty of food left due to drops and you have to juggle them. Time both using prayer potions and other potions so that you don't lose turns in combat. Remember to add more scrolls into your helmet before it runs out of them. It's easy not to notice it and only wonder why killing changes so much slower. A few words about drops.. Try not to lose your attack turns in combat when picking them. It's good idea to pick them when you need to eat and you would lose turn anyway because of it. Definitely pick up all charms, mithril arrows, water orbs, ranarrs and ranarr seeds, rune medium helmets and water battlestaves. All other drops you can ignore in the beginning. If you later have space you can start picking also water talismans, snape grass, seaweed, other herbs, death and blood runes, watermelon and strawberry seeds. Taking alchings is waste of both time and inventory space.[/hide] [hide=9. Banking]Maybe you wondered a bit why I told to take Camelot teletablets instead of usual any 1-click teleport. Well, reason is quicker banking. When you teleport to camelot after trip it will take 5 minutes to get back to kill waterfiend (if you don't get bad luck with Chaos dungeon portals). Yes, I have timed this. You are usually at both low hp and prayer after trip, at least you should be. This is what Oo'glog spas are great for. Deposit your loot to bank in Catherby and get ready to new trip, go to take baths in Oo'glog, teleport to edgeville and do basically same stuff you did earlier.[/hide] [hide=10. Charm rates]This is what I can get in 30 minutes there Total charms: 89 in 30 minutes. You can compare this to what I was getting by ice barraging rock lobsters in 1 hour: Gold: 84 Green: 64 Crimson: 150 Blue: 9 Total: 307 These are both pretty random numbers, though.[/hide] [hide=11. Economics]In this section I present what your supplies cost and what your loot will be worth in 30 minutes trip. Extending trips to 1 hour is not genious if you prefer getting charms quickly. Supplies As you can see, suggested supplies cost around 116k. You are also using titan scrolls, around 85 per 30 minutes. They cost 280 ea ->23,8k per 30 minutes . Also you will use super set doses, 1700 coins for ship trip, 1 iron titan pouch and some recharge costs for karil's. These in total will cost around 10k. Sum cost: 191k Loot Sum: 171k. 3 prayer pots are "leftovers". With these numbers we see easily that you can get really quick charms almost without losing money. Note that this is just an example loot, it varies quite much from trip to trip, that wasn't any good loot on that picture.[/hide] [hide=12. Experience rates]These are based on 99 attack and 98 strength levels and using iron titan with scrolls. Beginning: 13,274,887 defence xp 12,705,409 str xp 30 minutes later 13,286,000 defence xp 12,745,000 str xp Sum: 11,113 defence xp 39,591 str xp Total xp: 50,704 I also did some trips using wolpertinger and void melee armour. These are xp rates from it: Beginning: 12,787,429 str xp 13,839,947 magic xp 30 minutes later 12,825,000 str xp 13,848,000 magic xp Sum: 37,571 str xp 8,053 magic xp Total xp: 45,624[/hide] [hide=13. Duo method]I don't have any detailed guide with pictures of this method, I will just explain how it works. Hopefully you like blocks of text :P Basic idea is that another player is healer and another tanker. Tanker should use iron/steel titan with scrolls and same equipment as in solo method. Healer is using either unicorn or pack yak+unicorn. Requirements for tanker are same as they were for solo method. Healer has to have 88 or 96 summoning and 92+ magic. Both need to be on lunar magics and accept aid turned on. You should be using lootshare too.. Healer takes runes for Heal Other spell (3 astrals, 3 laws, 1 blood), 200 casts should be enough. Also, both players should take runes for Stat Restore Pot Share (2 Astrals, 10 Earths, 10 Water) and Boost Potion Share (3 Astrals,12 Earths, 10 Waters) spells. Don't take mud staff! It's real pain to use it. If you want you can take mud runes to save 1 inventory space, however I don't suggest it because they cost over 300 ea making 1 spell to cost over 3k. If you are healer using yak you should put around 6 prayer pots and 24 pineapple pizzas into yak. Into inventory take 1-2 unicorn pouches, some pack yak and unicorn scrolls, 1 super set, 1 super restore, some food to survive of aggressive phase. Use same equipment as in soloing method but take also full dharok into inventory. Equip it after fiends become unaggressive and send other equipment back to bank. With heal other spells you can easily stay on low hp for basically no risk because all fiends are attacking tanker. I suggest staying over 11 hp, though, just in case you attack accidentally fiend who is not attacking your partner. When your partner needs healing use 3 unicorn scrolls and cast spell on him. If you are using only unicorn, take a lot less food and think twice about taking dharok's with you. You can't use dharok's while fiends are aggressive, don't even think about trying it! Try to attack fiends that are at full hp, in that way you get most out of set effect. Use only piety when they are unaggressive to you. As tanker you have to take around 1+3 titans because they will get killed early. Take also 1 super set, some food and rest prayer potions.. Keep fiends aggressive against you all the time by moving. Pray against missile attacks and use piety. In this way you get most out of your titan. Finish fiends that are at low hp so your partner can concentrate on high hits with dharok set. Always when you are using prayer pots share them with your partner. This makes 1 prayer pot to give totally 8 doses out. Do same with boost pots. It's possible to duo so that both are using fighting familiars, too. It's not as effective, though, because titans become almost useless when you gain unaggressive status and keeping them aggressive all the time makes you to leave quite early. Healer-tanker -combo is best choice. Best choice is that only tanker uses sgs specials and healer transfers his spec energy to him by taking some nature runes with him too. Tanker is using prayer points faster and also receiving the damage so it's quite obvious he needs more restoring them too. Pros and cons of duoing: + feel of teamwork :) + fun method of getting charms + trips last a lot longer + great possible xp rates + cheaper (at least I have feeling this is cheaper because of using less prayer potions) - a bit slower charms - preparations for trips takes some time[/hide] [hide=14. Videos]You asked for it so here it's ;) Video of me going from Catherby bank to Chaos Dungeon Waterfiends and killing them a few minutes there with my beloved Steel titan. Forgive me I was really laggy because of recording. And forgive me also bad quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsT4FrXxPPc I will probably add more videos later.. we'll see.[/hide] [hide=15. Closing words]This is my 2nd guide ever on tip.it forums, first being Orks in GWD with combat familiar (Iron/Abyssal/Lava titan). All feedback and comments are welcome![/hide]

Whatabout adding poison-like damage of morrigan's javelin spec?

I have noticed that using pack yak on trips is not too bad idea, at least you can send to bank such items as herbs and fire and water talismans and half keys etc. And if want longer trips can store prayer pots into it. Since yak doesn't fight it won't distract luring. Also, with it you can use fremennik boots and lyra to teleport to waterbirth island when going to trip and then bank them both. So it's pretty convenient. Also I haven't seen anyone else saying how many charms they are actually getting per hour so I decided to track it a bit too. I guess some people reading this guide might find it as interesting info too.. My setup was battle robes, barrows gloves, unholy book, amulet of fury, ring of life, guthix cape, ancient staff and infinity boots. MY magic level is 99. After 1 hour I had got following amounts of charms: Gold: 70 Green: 40 Crimson: 129 Blue: 2 Total: 241 During 2nd hour I got charms: Gold: 84 Green: 64 Crimson: 150 Blue: 9 Total: 307 Thus, after 2 hours I had got following total: Gold: 154 Green: 104 Crimson: 279 Blue: 10 Total: 547 Sucked a bit during first hour when luring, yeah :P Then the actual reason why i went there, I wanted to try out battle robes of Fist of Guthix. I started with 2k ice barrage casts (2000 blood, 4000 death and 6000 water runes)+ 499 soul runes (didn't take extra bloods for it) Trip ended when I ran out of water runes after 2 hour 30 minutes. At that point I had following amounts of runes left: Blood: 70 Death: 300 Water: 0 Soul: 445 Feel free to figure something out of it if you want :) My robes degraded from 80% down to 40%.

Got my skeleton champion scroll in this exactly same place before this guide was posted. I used dharoking with combat familiar, though, worked pretty fine too. Sgs healed me about enough. Liked charm drops definitely.

Got Lesser demon and skeleton scrolls on same day :) Skeleton from chaos dungeon skeleton, dharoked them there with sgs and abyssal titan. Actually pity I got that scroll in under 100 kills because they were dropping so many blue charms.' Well, but point of my post, I recorded video of killing skeleton champion with void, dark bow and dragon arrows ^^ Pity I didn't 1-hit him, would have been much more fun but fun in this way too: [yt]Mu8GVQz5PRw[/yt]

Finally got this scroll ^^ Was afraid of maxing attack before getting it. 4 down now, 6 left. I guess I will go back to ghouls next :D maybe next 10k will drop me that there too.

Just tried with lava titan ebon thunder scrolls.. Didn't get xp from using scrolls. Stupid! Maybe iron titan is different, or hopefully it's, otherwise that fact will partially ruin my guide :P Although then that method will be cheaper but it would also mean I have been wasting those scrolls for nothing but fun. Edit. Added using lava titan to guide too.

I would like the idea of partial DIY, meaning that you couldn't buy any kind of armour/weapons/ammunition from other players (maybe not from NPCs either, not sure of it). Hard to imagine how it could be done in practics but this would mean that if you want get good combat items you would have to work for them instead of buying them. Everything else could trade freely. This would mean that if you want a godsword you would have to actually get hilt yourself, If you want dragon hatchet you would have to kill Dagannoth kings to obtain it etc. And at lower levels if you want good armour you also need high skill levels to make them. You could still buy supplies for training, only combat related items would be untradable.

Hmm, I haven't heard about that. And because that topic is not really tied with my guide I guess I'll leave it for other people to discover ;) Btw, maybe you are thinking Praying mantis and Mantis Strike? Binds, causes Magic-based damage and drains target player's Prayer. That would fit into your definition too.

Err, which familiar do you mean now? I can guarantee that abyssal titan doesn't drain your prayer whatever you do.

I guess you mean Abyssal parasite (lvl 54 summon required)? It has abyssal drain scroll "Magic-based attack that gives you a Prayer point if it hits" Abyssal titan, instead, seems to be decent fighter :) I hadn't thought about using it earlier but I'm glad I decided to test it after seeing it gives attack xp.

I will check that xp thing. I would assume you get xp from iron titan scroll attacks simply judging of my xp rates per hour when using it but will try out other scrolls too (including smoke devil) when i have time for it. Replacing summoning pots with super restores is not good idea unless you have really low prayer level and need to use prayer pots continuosly. For me it would be just waste or sr to use them if I only need restoring summoning points. And on the other hand, if I use super restore for prayer restoring then I wouldn't have them left for summoning point restoring in the end of the trip. Hobgoblins have way too low hitpoints for efficient training and there are too few of them so you would have to wait for spawns. Using combat familiar wouldn't aid you much either when killing them. They are also quite eager to attack zamorak monsters instead of you and thus you need to click them all the time to attack = too much effort for me. These things together would definitely nullify the positive effects of void and boost prayer. They may work for lower level player but if you want to train in that way there are a lot better places than those hobgoblins (AZ's, for example) :P I added new section to guide that will have info of other combat familiars I have tried there. By this far only Abyssal titan and Swamp titan but will add at least lava titan, wolpertinger and smoke devil in future.

Thank you for compliments, warrior. I won't complete my previous guides but in future if I get something worth making a guide then I will try to do it for sure :) Added some info for prayer recharge. Also just got this or these: After that I have done some research with Swamp titan and Godsword. Swamp titan scrolls are definitely not worth using because they won't help you to gain any xp. Although poison will help you to get 40kc in 10 minutes, it would be cheaper to use prayer potions than scrolls for that purpose. Swamp titan itself seems to give around 16,5k xp per hour by using this method. SGS seems quite good because you can use str boosting prayers while using it because of its prayer bonus and still prayer lasting for long enough. Test is still uncomplete though :)