Grim_

Check the map i have a small empire. I also happen to have the first or second largest space defense system around earth as well as the fact that I can offer an assurance against starvation as grain is ridiculously cheap in my country.

Malaysia because it can bombs the crap out of their headquarters with space based kinetic weapondry.

I am not looking for the tech I am taking the space station. Isnt that a bit extreme of you to take both siberia and the resources in space? In other news the massive land based ion cannons have been primed on all planets. I am starting the construction of massive Farm ships and space depots.

Okay then as nooone layed claim to them I am starting to take over his space stations and satellites. The production facilities of the russian space station will be very beneficial as will the RFG's. Also I am sending in the MSF and the MSS to get walkas special project.

((I can fly and at that point had brought a rather large dragon into the equation. Though right now I am in the divine realms where chaos cannot enter))

Latino how about we have random number roles and then use that to determine resources. Also I really dont think its a good idea to force us all together. I for one am planning on having an isolationist kingdom. In addttion to that point if you cram us all together its a bad idea in general because it eliminates all tactics in choosing your position.

If asked a question on a test where it will adversely affect me I will probably say something like "I would... but I dont want to" and leave it at that. However if its something like helping you out moving and I dont have anything else going on I am rather accommodating.

Sighing grim simply stepped through the gate of light with garuff and after they had gone through simply sealed it behind him. ((I will probably come back later but I am kinda tired...))

Laughing as Chaos let the beam of light surround him grim completed his (possibly) devious trap. The beam of light instantly condensed into a block of swirling metal ((It was going at hypersonic speeds)) and entrapped chaos like a fly in amber grim then proceeded to start to launch chaos in the general direction of the sun. And Garuff moved out of range again.

You could spend some time mage barrowing or mage dking. You could stun (not recomended though) or do a multitude of things just make sure it is interesting to you and if possible gets you a profit.

I would say full rune with neitz whip rune kite/rune defender glory uncommon team cape climbing or rune boots and then bring two prayer pots a dds p++ a super set and the rest sharks. Its a basic set up that works rather well in edgeville.

Grim shrugged as garuff simply moved out of range again.((The maelstroms where now condensed into rods which falling from insanely high altitudes where kinetic weapons so I doubt you would be able to block 30 cubes worth)) grim then called down a beam of light around chaos. It seemed like its only purpose was to make chaos a more interesting target. ((So what I am weird))

With a grin grim activated the lighting portion of the strange device which he used to arc electricity into chaos while flying swiftly backwards. Garuff simply flew out of range of the hammers and stayed there while grim started condensing maelstroms into rods and calling them down onto chaos in a pentacle like patter.

With a flash the figure on garuffs back dissapeared. Behind Chaos grim appeared thinking how well that diversion had worked as he drove a ball of compressed light energy into his back while cleaving down with his sword and calling in a frontal barrage of shards to keep him busy.

Grim and Garuff started flipping and dodging rapidly to not get smashed by the hammer strikes. Garuff started flying higher and higher continuously breathing fire at chaos. He and grim then shot up into the upper atmosphere. ((sorry))

"Okay then" Grim said as he and his dragon flew high up into the air. Before shattering the meteor that ares had called down. Then Garuff started breathing fire at chaos while flying around out of reach of his hammers. Occasionally Grim would add on with a flash of light and then some fire.

((sorry about that)) With a curse grim noticed that he had several slashes from the undead. Evidently he had not activated the amulet soon enough. He sighed with relief as the gate of light healed his wounds though. Calling off the maelstroms grim sent them high up into the atmosphere. He then with two flashes of light appeared onto Garnuff's back. Eying chaos uneasily he waited for him to make the first move.

Actually, according to the big bang big crunch theory, it is very feasible that these events are repeatable. I will admit, people will think you are an idiot if you said that. But people would also call you an idiot if you said God just decided to put a 747 in the middle of a junkyard too. People believe that because evolution has a very large amount of supporting facts behind it. You're right, an organism evolving over millions of years is science. And doesn't a frog turning into a prince seem much more like a bible story than something out of a science textbook? There is loads of feasible proof for evolution, just think about what Darwin said for about a minute. Natural selection is the process by which heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce become more common in a population over successive generations. This makes perfect sense, for example, lets take a species of insects. These insects can be white, or black. They live in an environment where the majority of their surroundings are black. And we have a species of bats that prey on these insects. Which insects will survive longer, the ones that look like white specs on a black background, or the ones that blend in? And the ones that survive longer will have more chances to reproduce, and therefore it will be more likely that the gene for a black exoskeleton will be passed on. Eventually almost all of these insects will be black. The same mechanism can be applied for every gene, and as time goes on life will evolve and change. Another piece of evidence for evolution is that the genetic coding mechanism for human DNA is the same as the genetic coding mechanism for plant DNA, or fungal DNA. There is far, far more evidence for evolution than there is for the Bible. In fact, I would like for you to present some evidence supporting the Bible, as I have not seen much. I have never heard this, or read this in the bible before. I'm going to assume this is you making up an explanation that God didn't give you. I guess it makes a little sense, the problem is the light of some stars have only been seen by us rather recently, so I guess God only made the light from some of the stars. Survival of the fittest is not macro evolution. Evolution is the change of a creature from one species into another. They are similar, yet highly different. Also, evolution hasn't yet been proven, it is thus even know rightly called "the Theory of Evolution." Theories may have scientific backing, yet they can not be proven. As well, I have yet to hear or see of any transition fossil. There should be many, shouldn't there? I will ask you, where are they all? Without that one key fact, the whole premise or macro evolution, even by Darwin's own admission, falls apart. And yes, I prefer to believe that God chose to create the world in 6 days, instead of instantly. Why can not God have as great a pleasure in creation as a human does? I prefer to believe God created everything, than to believe that there was nothing, that nothing turned into alot of matter, that matter was greatly compressed, that matter exploded, and here we all are. In other words, rock+rain=human. Actually after doing a bit of My own research I have found that a cycle of bang and crunch makes one heckuva lot more sense than a god created everything. That reminds me almost everything is a theory aside from certain things like newtons laws. Also I find it rather remarkable that you try to use certain hoaxes to tear down the theory of evolution while not mentioning certain things like "holy" artifacts from saints. I challenge you to give me one piece of evidence that your "god" created the universe aside from that circular logic of "because the bible tells us so"

Um, what? Firstly, as a general gripe, people need to stop pointing at the Crusades like they're the critical piece of evidence in a murder case. The Crusades were really nothing more than the personal campaigns of corrupt popes who thought they had a claim to Jerusalem. There was no such thing as fundamentalism to disagree with at the time of the Crusades. Rome was the center of the world, and the pope was the most powerful ruler in Europe. Whatever he said went. The Bible was available only in Latin or Greek, making interpretation limited to those who could read it, which was basically the clergy, which answered to the pope. No random peasant could read the Bible for himself and decide on a fundamentalist interpretation. He couldn't read the damn thing. That was a major point of contention in the Protestant Reformation, which began in the early 1500s, 300 years after the Crusades. Why did Martin Luther and others like him want reform? Because they disagreed with the policies of a Church that had built itself an empire and was now primarily interested staying on top. That meant keeping the common folk ignorant of the actual contents of the Bible. So how much can such a secular interpretation be counted on? Martin Luther ended up leading a rebellion because the Church was selling indulgences, which I'm sure can be universally agreed upon as wrongheaded. The Church reformed itself at the Council of Trent, and much later again at Vatican II. If you want to look at it this way, it could be said that the Church is still fixing itself up from the days when popes publicly acknowledged illegitimate children and appointed them as bishops. Basically I got kind of annoyed at how the Crusades are thrown around, because people seem to think they are a hell of a lot more significant that they actually are. I'm not sure if there's a real driving point behind this post other than a history upchuck, but hopefully the upchuck will add a bit more depth to the "damn Christians just kill everyone" argument. Take what you will out of the fact that no one but Church officials could read the Bible until the sixteenth century. It's also worth nothing that the Church put Galileo on trial and forced him to recant his heliocentric model. Only huge amounts of scientific evidence--Copernicus, Galileo, Magellan sailing around the world--finally forced the Church to reconsider its own literal interpretation. And remember, the Church's interpretation had been somewhat muddled by the secular politics of Christendom. So whether it was valid in the first place is questionable. And holy crap this thread just exploded. Yes the crusades have been thrown around a bit to much. Though I think it was worth noting that it was the christians not the muslims who massacred prisoners so they could go quicker. I would also like to remind people about the inquisition among other things. No not the part of The History Of the World Part:I I am talking about essentially a reign of terror by the religious officials that got many decent people horribly tortured simply because the did not share a certain denomination of the abrahamic faith. Also going off topic here has anyone noticed that the christian "New" testament has a very toned down god (in comparison with the one in the torah )

[hide] Just because you say no at the end of your sentences, does NOT make it so. So when trying to insult my intelligence do not assume I did not read your post. I read it, and a simple no does not justify a change in the religious story. When it was first written, I am confident they discussed the symbolic importance assuming it was meant to be taken metaphorically. ---- Too many people are reading the topic title, then replying. It's gone on too many pages to construct a continous arguement, and those that are still attempting to argue are ignoring my points and not really reading. One minded views with no room to listen to others. I am attempting to take in advice and new points I was unaware of, but anything I digest and throw back is discarded. I'm out of this heated topic, I don't have the energy. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, you really do come across as either not reading or not understanding my posts. I had a quick read through your posts here and most seem to have already been disputed, or lead to nowhere. They were questions I answered in hopes that you would answer them, which you haven't elaborated on. Why else would fundamentalism be so widespread? I would have thought it would have been squashed during the crusades like everything else the church disagreed with. What is symbolic about jesus saying all prayers will be answered, but apparently only some of them are? What is symbolic about the world being created in 7 days in relation to evolution. I could ask those questions to 50 different Christians and get 50 different answers. You can take pretty much anything from it using your imagination. Why not just invent your own religion entirely? You can spout elitist symbolic theories, but they aren't going to be consistent with the next Christian, and occam's razor is always going to be better. By occam's razor, do you mean "when you have two competing theories that have the same solution, the simpler one is the better." As that is not really what occam's razor is about. It is really talking about how "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" In other words, as both of these theories are equal in scientific merit, since both are theories, the one which should be accepted is the one which demands the fewer assumptions. Since it is far easier to assume that a supernatural being whom we have no proof of created everything, rather than that matter at one time came into existence, compacted, exploded, and produced everything, and since then never comes into existence anymore, then I believe that Occam's Razor supports the Genesis account. So your saying you don't support scientific reasoning because something came from nothing. Where did god come from? The whole genesis story, all the tales about god and religion in various scriptures definitely make quite a few assumptions. EDIT: What's the difference? Nothing, other than more time. There is a huge difference between micro and macro. A big dog changing into a little dog yes, but it is still a DOG. Not a horse. There is no evidence of macro, whilst there is of micro. You used a straw man. That is like saying there is no difference between a orange and a apple but taste. As well skull, even Darwin stated that his whole theory of natural selection would collapse if missing links were not found. You would think there should be a plethora, yet there are not. As well, his whole theory with the birds and their various size beaks proved micro, not macro evolution. [/hide] Three questions 1~ If you where not raised as a christian would you still believe in the scriptures or would you believe in another creation myth? 2~ If god is all knowing and all powerfull then A~ Why did it take it a whole 6 days to create earth? B~ I find it highly doubtful that any "god" would let such a malicious creature as man to transcribe its writings. 3~ So you are saying that every singly species must be part of the fossil record and be found for you to not believe about the magic garden with talking snakes?

Couldnt agree more. Why do people even subscribe to him? I mean you are listening to a supposed 7 year old [bleep]ing about every single mother [bleep]ing thing in his life and then expecting people to subscribe. Isn't he 1 or 2 on most subscribed? Sadly yes Hell even nigahiga is making better videos than he is right now (and the quality of their current videos is quite low imo)

Oh, okay. Well don't worry then. They are changing they way mechscape plays so hopefully it will not be a Runescape clone, and it will draw a different crowd. I would like to point out though that this entire thread is like counting your chickens before they've hatched. Its actually more like counting the chickens that might have been. Because jagex canceled mechscape this week. O rly? http://forum.tip.it/topic/249543-mods-merge-this-with-the-other-topic-please/page__st__40 Yarly I am being quite pedantic here but this about mechscape not stellar dawn. Though I guess the same concepts apply... :unsure:

Four questions~ 1~ How long where you researching those lasers because you have at least 15 years to go (I forget how much time ross spent on his military grade ones) 2~ Why do you think we are all going to blow each other up? I intend to be playing for a good 60 more days 3~ Heres a tip for you~ Do not try to dominate the trade sector. People already have strangleholds on their colonies and certain people (like me) are already mining massive amounts of metals from asteroids. Also I would advise not to try piracy because well if you try to steal my ships I will blow the living crap out of your planets and others will do the same. 4~ I hate to point this out to you but odds are you cant get large amounts of certain things on your worlds (like food) and will have to trade with others eventually at which point your "moral" will not be worth anything. Also I am restarting the construction of asteroid miners and am starting the construction off massive and heavily armed and armored cargo ships.

With a wintry smile grim activated his amulet. A vortex appeared in front of him sucking the spirits of the dead into it. Grim growling said "Well It would appear that I have finally found a worthy opponent" He said as he used the ghosts to summon a Dragon of Titanic proportions made completely out of light. "This beasts name is Garnuff" He said "Only the high priests are capable of summoning such a monstrous beast" he said with a wink as he then summoned 30 cubes of light using the energy from the dead. He told them "Scatter" and they again dissapeared into many shards which formed 3 maelstroms 1 around grim which moved at hypersonic speeds and two around chaos which while moving at slower speeds where imbuded with fire and light.

Yes but not war against you. Even though if you are against war so badly why do you have war ships? One person in this game (had) a utopian society and got along quite well with others. In fact he probably did far better than the rest off us with what he had.