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I agree there a good task cuz of the xp Hmm, it could be debated that for the time spent getting the exp there using whatever methods you could arguably do other tasks in that same time and probably gain more profit, and the same, if not more exp

MstrMonopoly is right..... SS has time and time again been proved the better of the 2. The crush attack and strength bonuses balance out the fact that you lose the attack from the rune defender.

Yea I'm aiming to go on the advice of Joe, yourself and Neltak and do swamp titans..... only thing now is to get about 1300 swamp lizards.... I'll probably have to put trades up on RSOF in exchange for herbs or something unless anyone here has some spare?

The above poster has this correct. However if you want to spend a couple of hours getting shoddy kills per minute and wishing you had blocked them (like yours truly here) then: Rune defender and Whip = better, and speed it up by cannoning and potting..... though cannon deals with them easy enough. Just try not to slit your wrists with the boredom of their respawn rate.

I'm no expert, but it depends on how long you take and what course. Eg Zokot can get about 75-76 laps or something (it could be laps or 76K exp idk) at the advanced barb arena an hour or so....

Ah yes :wall: Damn.... It seems that I was all too eager to jump in head first. Ah well, that'll be my plan then

Yea agreed :P However this is the first update that ALOT and I mean alot of TIFFERS have been upset about in a while...... The other updates we've all praised them, apart from some like NR where people complained about the GM requirement it had because of the boss. However I agree with people that the boss is the reason why it's a good GM

I'm not generally a hater of Jagex however this update did annoy me and I will voice my opinions on it :) Probably something that is the most annoying bit about it is the fact that whenever I get hit for 30+ I panic eat >.> And yes it's probably for something new and interesting and exciting, but until that comes and actually proves itself to be good people will quit over this, and moan, and complain. Jagex really need to release something sharpish to make this upheaval worthwhile.

You'll hit 500's the same amount of times as you hit 50's before this update. People seriusly need to read the update before complaining... If you look at the topic I was generally posting during the first few pages reading everything that was coming my way that update ;) Yes, however 50 feels more of an achievement. What about Brunokiller. The highest he hit on that guy was an 83 which I still believe is in his signature. That is an ACHIEVEMENT! Something to say, "look I perfected what I could this is what I hit, I can now improve" whereas if he wanted to hit 830 he'd have gone and played WoW just like the rest of us would. Having 10X the HP and changing a skill that's been there from the beginning was a very dumb move as it annoyed not only alot of relatively new players like myself, but veterans too! The old HP system was fine the way it was. Even through Danziqmp(sp?)'s ideas on the other thread I still don't see how they couldn't have been applied to the old HP system. They just needed to separate the numbers so that when HP went down it didn't go down in your skill tab.

=D> you're exactly the type of person they tailored the update for. Someone who'd rather hit 100's than normal amounts. The old runescape system made it unique from what I have heard. I'd rather hit 50's and have the achievement of printscreening it and positing it on here going " :D YAYS AMG A 50 :D" Instead of watching the screen going "oooh and another 500, oh there's another there's another" etc. But still. If you want to hit high go play WoW or something. Runescape was good the way it was and that's how it should go back to.

WARNING: This post contains is adult themed and uses several themes of that nature. Anyone who opens the hide tags does so on their own accord. Nothing in this message is offensive. If a Mod wishes to change or edit it then so be it. [hide] There's a fine line between addiction, hobby and impulse though..... and habit for that matter. For example some of you gave the weak options of cheese/food or TV or something. Yes of course you might like it but what defines addiction? 2 definitions are: - Being abnormally tolerant to and dependent on something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming (especially alcohol or narcotic drugs) and: - An abnormally strong craving however this doesn't fully show if we're addicted or not. I mean..... when I get into the mood I can have an abnormally strong craving to pleasure myself. As can anyone else in this world, male and female alike. Does it mean that when we're in this mood and we have that abnormally strong craving that we're addicted? Then again, could it be a habit? Some people get into a regular system of doing it. Some will do it every week, yet others every other day. Or it could be a "hobby" as such. It's there for you to have fun with, so why not? Then again it could be impulse if you're in that mood for that kind of thing then why not do it? It releases endorphins and calms you down. So am I addicted to pleasuring myself if I do it every week or so? No. I think not. Another example could be drugs. You guys touched upon crack cocaine as one of the things people can become addicted to...... However how is it any different to masturbation and pleasuring yourself? Tell me. When you do it, what does pleasuring yourself do? Make you feel good? Make you feel like you want to do it again? Make you calm relaxed and happy? Well...... Isn't that the same as those people on crack cocaine? I mean.... afterall they want it to make themselves feel happy, release those endorphins and emotions. What about alcohol? It gives the user a euphoric sense of being above everything. It makes everything fun and amazing. Well..... isn't that the same as sex and being with the person you love? When I'm with my girlfriend and if we decide to do it I know I feel top of the world...... I hardly see her and so then if I don't see her for a long time I'll pleasure myself. So therefore is sex an addiction? With this in mind I'd probably say I'm a pleasure addict. I do what feels good for me. But isn't that the same for all of human nature? With most of the majorly adult content out of the way, what about the watered down versions of something like facebook or some other social networking site, or youtube? I generally *HAVE* to go onto youtube every morning to see if the people I'm subscribed to have put videos on, or if there's any music that I want to listen to that's not on my iPod, iTunes or spotify. Then facebook, when does that become an addiction? I atleast look at it if I'm there with nothing else to do. So does my girlfriend and so my bet is that majority of you look at it alot too. Updating status's and looking at what friends are up to. So can you see? Where is the addiction exactly? Addiction is only in the mind that you crave that thing. However that craving *should* be easily stopped. However some people can be worse than each other. Quite a few people in my hall here at Lampeter used alot of a drug called Methadone or something which is a type of Ecstasy. This gave them a euphoric happy feeling. Even I tried it once as it's currently legal in the UK (not for long though as it'll be banned as a Class A drug soon). It does give you that sense of happiness. However people are LAZY! They don't use their willpower that they were born with! The way some of them fought getting addicted on it was to have some in their room and not let themselves have any, no matter how much. (BTW I am no druggie, all I ever tried was gumming it, whereas they mostly snorted and gummed the last bits - snorting = ewwwwwww D: :blink: ) However some did get addicted and badly and have only just come out of it. But as you notice I used the word addicted. I should really say they fell into the habit or they used it as a hobby. ANYTHING CAN BE AN ADDICTION. You cannot go any where or do anything without being addicted. And runescape and games are the same. Am I addicted because when I come back from lectures I play most of the day until I skype my girlfriend? Am I addicted because I come on here and spend alot of time talking about it? I get all my work done. I see my girlfriend and have long periods away from it without any type of side effect. So...... Are you really addicted? Or just to lazy to use your own will power? I certainly see no addiction in it, just like pleasuring. [/hide]

Brilliant. Sorry I didn't look too closely last time..... anyways just got 73 summoning..... Gona log back in soon to get me 74 with my barkers/let my kyatt die (whichever comes first) then onto bones to bananas to get the 4123 bananas for fruit bats...... Will there be any point in me selling back my shards anyways afterwards seeing as I need them for my granite lobs and titans.

Ok that seems fair enough. I'm now 71 summoning on my 2nd kyatt with bones coming through on GE every so often and about 4K or so barkers left to make. BTW is it at level 79 I'll be able to trade in fruit bats?

Ok. Brilliant. Would you also say my calculations above are correct at all? And yes I noticed that I could do that which is how I managed to get my 1500 pouch kyatt...... and I need to remember that next time! And ooooh.... ok then, might as well save them. And I'll probably head to the ogre and sell them back to the summoning people as their prices can't get cheaper either. ALSO doing all my fruit bats and barkers now (if I can get bones or bananas off GE) will get me about 78 summoning or something.

Ok then, so I just need the 4123 bones now xD I'll go pop an offer in the GE for them, and then I'll keep on doing my barkers.... I'll probably end up using all my charms. I know that barkers only use 11 shards per pouch but if it worth trading back for the shards to use again? I mean..... it's 700K worth of shards roughly I'll get back. Oh and I'll pop a quick calculation in this space here mostly so I can see the cost of fruit bats and you guys can tell me if it's worth it. So 4123 fruit bats: Shards: 130 Cost of shards for 1: 3250 Cost of shards for 4123: 13,399,750 So therefore assuming I spend the hours to do this..... I'll get back: 9,421,055 selling to GE..... OR..... about 11,890,732 from trade in...... Hope I got that right, are there any errors? And if this is correct it looks like 78 summoning with only about 3m cost on it which seems worth it as I have about that in slayer drops and herbs to sell this week which reminds me D: *runs to ge*

In my other topic I kinda said I was unsure about using my greens on fruit bats.... Though I probably will use them by the weekend. But..... the shards alone cost 12m for them...... and then I have to try and find a way to get 4123 bananas and there's NO WAY I'm sitting the karamja trying to get them :P (Btw 70 summoning now..... kyatt just ran out and due to the laggy nature of my lappy I managed to get 1500 pouches in the kyatts time.... so kinda got 15 mins to try and see how many I get an hour) Use bones to banana spell, I heard its 8k bananas an hour, so just half an hour for you. Dont forget fruit bats sell very well (or they used to) because of the papaya scroll thingy. (most pouches sell for their 70% shard return cost, fruit bats sell over that so its better to sell them in the GE than to swap em). Scrolls are even more money I think . Question is, do the bones actually buy in the GE? I don't think I'd have a problem with runes..... or should I try and buy some of the tabs?

In my other topic I kinda said I was unsure about using my greens on fruit bats.... Though I probably will use them by the weekend. But..... the shards alone cost 12m for them...... and then I have to try and find a way to get 4123 bananas and there's NO WAY I'm sitting the karamja trying to get them :P (Btw 70 summoning now..... kyatt just ran out and due to the laggy nature of my lappy I managed to get 1500 pouches in the kyatts time.... so kinda got 15 mins to try and see how many I get an hour)

As the above poster said really: Overkill on food and you need more prayers. At max you'll only need about 5-6 monks maybe not even that, I love to use super defence here just for that extra bit of help but EE might work just as well being like a normal def pot. Change the verac top for a prosy one, and if you want I'll loan you my fury for a bit so you can increase that prayer bonus that little bit more. Also add in more prayer pots..... and the holy wrench, you underestimate how good it is here. (btw if you wana borrow the fury just say on here and I'll log in on world 99 at CW) And bedman, I think the person was referring to the fact that they can be slow in the Slayer Tower, which they can be..... however I hope you're right with the quick exp with the titan.... i have yet to try that, but will do after the weekend with some good titans.

Wow, thank you so much, that's absolutely brilliant. So I'll go with your 2nd option then of making my toads now then on the weekend doing granite lobs, lavas and then moss titans. Ooooooh or did you mean swamp titan? Thank you again :D

You'll find these quite slow, heck I do. So you may wish to piety just to speed things up. If you have a veracs skirt and prosy top wear it and take about 5-6 prayer pots with you with a pure set a yip, EE and some monks. I managed to go through about 110 with this however my drain was *slightly* faster as I forgot my ardy cape 2 and wore my defence cape or fire capes instead. The other option as CptBaker pointed out is to go to CT. However as he said. Do slayer tower first then move on to CT. And the brilliant thing is that if you choose to you can speed it up by chinning ;)

Because Joe da studd came up the some facts that might make my summoning more efficient which is doing all my barkers first then onto the crabs at 74 then onto lava titans if I hit there...... my original plan was to do that as you'll see in the first post of the other topic, but I was told that that could be a waste.......

Right my other topic got to 3 pages long and can be found here Summoning. So I'm following Joes advice and making a new topic about getting up my summoning this weekend. Right so we worked out a plan that was like thus: Ok so I now have 6095 gold charms, 4123 greens, 3183 crims and 456 blues roughly give or take, as I may go back and do a tiny bit more slayer before the weekend...... So Should anything in that plan change at all? Or should I try to max exp by doing golds and some greens now, then mith minos straight away on the weekend then straight into granite crabs and hope and pray? I don't know..... any more suggestions?

Jagex Twitter said there wont be any game updates this week. Ah damn. Oh well, I'll use my time to collect for the weekend then :) thanks Nick.

*cough* *watches tumbleweed roll across* *cough* *crickets chirruping* Ok.... that was bad..... so very very bad..... Also does anyone think we'll actually get an update this week?

Depends what you want most...... GS that's practically useless in PvM, or Extremes that own in PvM. or the other way round: a GS that's amazing in PvP, and extremes that can't be used in PvP