Retech

Does anyone remember the million army milestone set back in the Chinese civil war? Well now I have virtually made my planets impossible to be landed on (and taken by the Urk-Orz) due to the one BILLION soldier military presense, which is just a fraction of my population. Normally during war, half the population is at war. ------- In other news, transports have been sent to Earth carrying esteemed scientists and business leaders. They are to fully cultivate rare surface food products from the surface of Japan.

The sledgehammer flies out of my hand at Mather. I guess it's taken a life of its own!

I take a crudely built sledgehammer and swing it as hard as I can at Mather.

I guess. I hope we start soon though.

I don't want a space program; I just want to shoot fireworks in the air for every million people I massacre when I take the South-East Asian islands. :) :thumbsup:

Or we could start Aerioki and see how that goes. :thumbsup:

Well maybe if you built a large enough catapult... we could shoot random things into orbit for the fun of it. On that topic, can we shoot things into space for the fun of it? (fireworks) :)

Oooooh, extreme super conducters. How much would be needed for a small and large coilgun (handheld and ship-based)?

AMG! (Omg with a fun accent) Let's just drop this super explosive thing and find other uses for this Naquadah thingy. Like super coilguns using Iridium monopole and super conductors to make frictionless(ish) power. :D

So what IS the system right now? Are we just going towards reasonableness?

In my largest temple (in Erikio), there is a Bonsai-style Kelp plant. Unlike normal Bonsai, this one is shaped large and spans thousands of feet. It's a national treasure and has its own "royalty".

I don't have a baseline Archi. :P Are we just going with "reasonable" figures here based on other people's figures?

Suspicious, but I'd say yes. What do you say everyone?

Why don't you use a 20 sided dice for everyone. Those are the values for each of em. Then subtract the values from a hundred, which is the amount of spendable points you can add. This adds customization as well.

[hide=Today's Progress] [hide=Capiahs] System: Capiah - Planet: Capiah 1 and 2 (same stats) Distance: 175,000,000 km Radius: 8,000 Gravity: 1.3 G Orbit Period: 390 days Rotation: 22.8 hrs Mean Temp: 18 C Atmosphere: 1.2 ATM (N2 73%, O2 26%, Ar 1%,) Hospitable Population: 1,500,000,000 Moons: None About it: Capiah is the most established colony besides that of Japan on Earth. With a quickly expanding population and abundant species of kelp, the settlers are thriving. The relatively large amount of land is still mostly unused, aside from defences, but future uses could be found. Military: Transports currently heading to Capiah: [/hide] [hide=Erikio] System: Recea Decimus - Planet: Erikio Distance: 500,000,000 km Radius: 18,000 km Gravity: 2 G Orbit Period: 747 days Rotation: 18 hrs Mean Temp: 20 C (really hot on the surface, cool in the oceans) Atmosphere: 2 atm (N 58 %, O2 28%, Ar 2%, Carbon Dioxide 12%) Hospitable Population: 10,000,000,000 Moons: None Erikio is the seat of the Lichtes government and homeworld to most of its people. Skyscrapers exist that are taller than almost any structure on Earth, mainly because the buoyancy that the water provides. It is covered by 99% water, with the land harnessed to grow luxury food crops, meat, and defensive installations. Military: Regulars: 25,000,000 Heavy Battleships: LDS Sturgeon, LDS Sea king, LDS Fried Fish, LDS Wavebreaker, LDS Manta Line(1 per turn) Battleships: 25 (5 a turn) Fighters: 250 (50 a turn) Transports: 0 (100 a day) [/hide] [hide=Meoxo] System: Meoxo - Planet: New Erikio (Replaces aquatic) Distance: 160,000,000 km Radius: 7500 km Gravity: 1.1G Orbit Period: 385 days Rotation: 22.9 hrs Mean Temp: 287K/17C Atmosphere: 1 atm (N2 78%, O2 21%, Ar 1%) Hospitable Population: 5,000,000,000 Moons: None -- New Erikio has quickly been upgraded into a full scale military base. Massive underground tunnels snake through the continental shelf and deeper into the sea crust. The majority of Lichtes citizens live here, sheltered from infectious viruses and invading aliens by the limitless fortifications and defences. This is a major Iridium monopole mining base. Deep within the tunnels, the worst of society (over 200 million) trudge down into the mines to get as much Iridium ion as they can. The ones that give above average get a comfortable bed for the night, while those below average can either go back to their homes or go down to get more Iridium to get a bed. Military: Regulars: 100,000 Heavy battleships: Battleships: 6 (2 per turn) Fighters: 40 (10 per turn) Transports: 0 (100 per turn) Transports currently heading to Erikio: [/hide] [hide=Technology in progress] Name: Coilguns Completion Date: December 20th Effects: Uses monopoles to power a gun which has little to no recoil Name: Scram Cannon Completion Date: Christmas! Effects: Uses Kinetic energy and supersonic combustion to launch a projectile as far as other weapons without the complexity. [/hide] [hide=Constructions] Name: Sector E battlestation Completion Date: December 7th Effects: Helps defend Japan from space attacks Name: Earth to Space Artillery Batteries Completion Date: December 7th Effects: Massive Artillery and Flak installations are built on land and flotation devices on sea. The ones on land often have a tunnel that goes down into the main tunnels, but these are sealed except during peacetime. Though the projectiles cannot aim straight (due to the winds), the massive amounts of artillery flying through the air and the expanse of their fleet makes it easy to hit. If the enemy begins to land, then it will be far easier to hit them. Name: Sector VI battlestations Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Colonizes Capiah VI Name: Sector VII battlestations Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Colonized Capiah VII Name: Sector Capital battlestation Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Protects Erikio Name: Royal Engineering school of Erikio Competion Date: December 1st Effects: Increase production of engineers, speeds up spacefleet construction and design Name: Lichtes Embassy in Kyoto, Japan Completion Date: December 1st Effects: None, just housing for royal officials Name: Sector O Bunker Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Hides up to 50 million people in a defensive location with filtration and food Name: Advanced tunnel fortifications and life support Completion Date: First Phase, December 1st (Ongoing) Effects: Increases time Japan can withstand siege, increases defence bonus slightly Name: Advanced Tunnel fortification and life support systems Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Provides housing, food, and supplies in the event of a virus attack Name: LDS Ocean Trench Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Super battleship Name: LDS Manta Ray Completion Date: December 1st Effects: Super battleship Name: Sector T Battlestation Completion Date: Ongoing Effects: Colonizes Ekedou 4 [/hide] [hide=Standing Army] Regulars: ~1,000,000,000 (Possible 5 billion+ availible to be conscripted) Whale Class Ultra Battleship (Elite): 1 SeaCow Class Ultra Battleship: 2 Manta Ray Class Super Battleship: 5 Kelp Class Heavy Battleship: 0 Wave Class Battleship: 0 Plankton Class Fighters: 0 Sea Bottom Class Artillery Battleship: 0 Transports: 800 PP: 13,000 per turn Capiah 1: 500 Capiah 2: 500 Capiah 6: 500 Capiah 7: 500 Erikio: 500 New Erikio: 7,000 (10 land production stations, 30 space) Other planet (Strange material shared with Dusty): 500 Arctic Planet: (In Mather's system): 500 Ekedou 1: 500 Ekedou 2: 500 Ekedou 3: 500 Ekedou 4: 500 Mather's 2 home systems where he let me colonize the sea: 1,000 PP remaining: Built over 9 turns: -4 Sea Bottom Class Artillery Battleship -1 Whale Class Ultra Battleship -20 Seacow Class Ultra Battleships -5,000 Plankton Class Fighters [/hide] [/hide] First update in 9 days, that means my population quintipled. Better get some more kelp fields planted. :P ---------------- My secret projects have been completed, and are ready to go against the URK-ORZ.

I like Doom's system. It just cuts out the whole "my country is more technologically advanced" argument or the "I have more people" argument. What's your idea about the factory/institute/mine/power plant thing Archi? Also, what are RNG numbers?

Who is calculating in infrastructure? When I looked above, it seemed that only airships really had a per unit cost attached to them. --------------------- Just putting it out there, my people live either in the sea or tunnel complexes attached to the sea (possibly airlocked). Also, my mothership subs are basically equivilant to the airships. They're flagships.

I think that the big nation building lots of tanks and upgrading their army is much fairer. Keep in mind with techs, small nations have to make more choices. Should I give up 20 million here or build 10 tanks...Hmmmm Compared to the big nations: Hmmmmm should I give up 20 million here or build 10 tanks... Well heck, I have enough people, let's do both! -------------------------- It seems more unfair, but in reality, it is much fairer. ------ What is the ongoing research cost for Subs?

I don't mind larger nations having greater tech potential than smaller nations. I just don't want to be forced to choose between building tanks and researching something else.

Well so far it's just Ross, so Mather, what do you think?

Just because a nation has more hired muscle (let's say China) doesn't mean it researches three times as fast as the United States. We could have it that man-hours are separate for tech and building. You get the same (current) amount for both?

I don't really understand why things are this expensive. Keep in mind the most powerful nations only have 100 million man hours, without losing any troops to fighting or hours to building. That's why for the fuel upgrades, and the new techs, it should be a lot cheaper but have a longer set time to research.

That sounds good. On a totally unrelated subject, what does everyone think a single infantry person should cost to equip? We could either have a set cost or a certain amount of infantry can be created for free at the cost of population. What are the prices and length of some of the existing techs? (petrol, tanks, etc)

I'm confused. After the division, is the cost of the tech the result? Or is that how much you have to pay per turn for a set amount of time?

Just because a nation has massive amounts of people doesn't mean it'll research faster. Basically what I'm saying is, nations normally don't have to sacrifice production of industrial goods for technology, and your method allows the research of technologies in a comparitively shorter amount of time. We'll have the problem of satellites by 1950.