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Around 13:00 I think. For reference: 14k votes at 14:00 27k at 15:00 It seems to get 20-30 votes every 2-3 seconds. (i was refreshing, keep in mind that wont be totally acurate i guess.) Also the good thing about it is now people are coming out of school. Peak time would be around 8-11pm GMT. Due to eastcoast america coming out of school and work. The weekend will be nice to see :D

The real fan base of which you are included? You who take the role of some kind of freedom fighter telling people to rebel against Jagex and not to re-subscribe with the goal of forcing them to spend money to satisfy your whim? Far from a fan, you and your group are more a thorn in Jagex's side who will bar the way of progress in order to achieve your own ends. I have to agree with that. But I still think its good they are listening to the players for once. Wether you are for it or not. An induvidual is not the community. The fact people are selfishly torn between simple things that dont even effect eachother is crazy. No one really knows what the community wants untill Jagex puts the main spoken problems to the test.

This is the reason why I'd like to see a creation date requirement for voting. Let it be 1 month even. That way you get less "Rigged" votes. Ideally it would even go back to 07 or older because then you get people who actually know what the game was not all the whiners who just want EoC gone. They have the right to 'whine' its exactly what you're doing. On a side not, The date creation would benifit the 2007 more than the reffer a friend. First off I'm not whining, I'm pointing out the flaws in this. Second of all how on earth would having a creation date of 07 or older help you? If it was simple as make a new account. Im sure people would. People love the Era its well balenced compared to live RS. I for one will preffer making a account there than one on the live anyday. How can you say 07 was more balanced compared to live. It was melee wins all. That is the furthest thing from balanced. You want true balance in this game, remove weakness and make all styles equal in damage output. 100% balanced and 100% personal choice driven. When you talk of balence. Its not just combat. Its the game as an overall. Whilest it is melee driven... Mage and range does have a fighting chance. Also im pointing out the flaws in your points. Same thing. They point out flaws in EoC same thing.

If it was simple as make a new account. Im sure people would. People love the Era its well balenced compared to live RS. I for one will preffer making a account there than one on the live anyday.

This is the reason why I'd like to see a creation date requirement for voting. Let it be 1 month even. That way you get less "Rigged" votes. Ideally it would even go back to 07 or older because then you get people who actually know what the game was not all the whiners who just want EoC gone. They have the right to 'whine' its exactly what you're doing. On a side not, The date creation would benifit the 2007 more than the reffer a friend.

I know... we disagree with you and we're explaining all of the reasons why we disagree with you. This freedom of expression thing is shocking, isn't it? You are not explaining why, You are telling me im wrong and theres no definate answer yet. Thats the difference. And to be honest. It will have its up and it will have its downs. But because it has downs people get so scaredxD

Yes, but. it still does have some good. I didnt said bots were for the best. People are over reacting. But to say its 100% no good is narrow minded. And even if there were no bots. Flower game would be there. Simply to take the money from the people who earned it from collecting resources. I dont really see it as a valid arguement. People can still cut trees, collect ores, farm herbs. Its not like bots stop you. Whilst making it harder slightly yes. But everyones way over dramatic about it. You know what, open up 07 scape and we'll see what people like you think of having to farm your own resources because guess what, its not collecting logs and bow strings that are going to be the issue. The issue will be a complete lack of physical currency. GP drops and pickpocket etc don't bring in anything in terms of the GP in game, thats brought in buy stuff like high alch and selling to general stores. What your looking at is needing a barting system. You logged in and mined 1000 ores, I chose to log in and chop 500 logs. My 500 logs might be worth the 1000 ores you have, ore maybe only 250 logs. Thats something that will need to be developed. People will try and take market prices from live game and it isn't going to work. So guess what, they will produce bots to mass farm all the resources that people want and your going to have two versions of the game completely corrupted by bots. Thats the part im looking forward too lmao. Building RuneScape. Remember inflation. It works in RuneScape to. - What on earth would they be gambling for? Goblin mails? Botting will be in both, 06 and live. Its allways been there. People are making to much of a big deal. Trying to find every flaw. You say you want building runescape but you advocate bringing in bots to make it easier. Mhmm this 07 scape is just looking more FANTASTIC by the minute. I absolutely love the idea of an economy reset, it would help a lot of things right. Jagex should take and erase a percentage of items put on the GE every day to remove items to reduce supply and at the same time I hope one of these new skills needs items from other skills AND costs 5 times what construction does. RS needs more money sinks if it has any hope of balancing out the economy. 07 Scape is going to suffer ten times worse because your going to see a massive amount of bots, along with people going "Selling 07Scape full Rune, 10m EoC scape" which isn't going to help at all. LMAO. I dont even support bots. Read lmao. Sooo sooo narrow minded. It dont really efffect you unless you let it anyway. (reffering to 07rune for 10m etc, which i expect will happen)

Yes, but. it still does have some good. I didnt said bots were for the best. People are over reacting. But to say its 100% no good is narrow minded. And even if there were no bots. Flower game would be there. Simply to take the money from the people who earned it from collecting resources. I dont really see it as a valid arguement. People can still cut trees, collect ores, farm herbs. Its not like bots stop you. Whilst making it harder slightly yes. But everyones way over dramatic about it. You know what, open up 07 scape and we'll see what people like you think of having to farm your own resources because guess what, its not collecting logs and bow strings that are going to be the issue. The issue will be a complete lack of physical currency. GP drops and pickpocket etc don't bring in anything in terms of the GP in game, thats brought in buy stuff like high alch and selling to general stores. What your looking at is needing a barting system. You logged in and mined 1000 ores, I chose to log in and chop 500 logs. My 500 logs might be worth the 1000 ores you have, ore maybe only 250 logs. Thats something that will need to be developed. People will try and take market prices from live game and it isn't going to work. So guess what, they will produce bots to mass farm all the resources that people want and your going to have two versions of the game completely corrupted by bots. Thats the part im looking forward too lmao. Building RuneScape. Remember inflation. It works in RuneScape to. - What on earth would they be gambling for? Goblin mails? Botting will be in both, 06 and live. Its allways been there. People are making to much of a big deal. Trying to find every flaw.

Yes, but thats why bot controls needed. Never said it wasnt. But even with every nuke. Bots will be there. And bots to contribute for the lack of enthusiastic players willing to collect resources. People are missing the point that I support anti bots. But im just saying theres good in it. Just mosts bad. The problem with RuneScape discussions is that if you dont like 1 word you'll bash the sentance. Completely missing the point.

Yes, but. it still does have some good. I didnt said bots were for the best. People are over reacting. But to say its 100% no good is narrow minded. And even if there were no bots. Flower game would be there. Simply to take the money from the people who earned it from collecting resources. I dont really see it as a valid arguement. People can still cut trees, collect ores, farm herbs. Its not like bots stop you. Whilst making it harder slightly yes. But everyones way over dramatic about it.

Im sorry, I dont see how trying to force an opinon down someones throat is constructive, telling them to grow up and quit is disrespectful to. People play the game for different reason. Combat was one of them. When something like that is torn apart I think people have everyright to be upset/dislike the content. Its what they paid for over the years. EoC aint all bad. Few key points is the action bar (could of been implimented without EoC) but lets be honest. More bad than good came out of it. Telling people to quit because they dislike a product they paid for is wrong. Lets say you try buy a PS3 on ebay and you get a bums hand in a box. You wont be like ohhh awhh well. You'll be annoyed.

The same argument could be made about the return of free trade and the wild. It opened the floodgates for the onslaught of bots we suffered for months afterwards which basically caused the bottom to fall out of the economy, killed any form of resource gathering skills, ruined community interaction in the G.E. and banks, and caused a lot of people to quit. All that from an update people begged for. Just remember: be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Jagex said they could handle them... And we trusted them. I dont think the free trades a valid excuse in this simply because of what Jagex promised. The economys dead right now just because EoC. Not botting, im pretty sure they can handle bots if they reaaalllly wanted to. Bots do also have good to them. The market is filled with materials no player actually feels like doing. The downside is. Theres less room for actual players to do them.

A problem with a poll here is alot of people are for EoC. I noticed a slight downfall in activity here since EoC release. This could be a reason why the poll here has that sort of impact, because of the pre-eoc combat people left.

I never thought bots were that much of a problem. People tend to over react. RWT is impossible to stop. They already have teams working on all these things anyway. Apparently somethings for gambling are coming 'soon' Jagex language thats like 3 years.

That is a pretty narrow minded. I am excited about building RuneScape from the ground up. Im going to love mining copper and tin!

My reason for not voting is that I don't believe EoC was a step in the wrong direction. However, dividing the game/community in two is. Obviously the existence of 07 servers will generate jagex more money in the short term. However if it ends up failing and the players on it quit (a proportion of which may have come around to eoc given time) then they'll end up losing out. They can never loose out though. They can easily take off unused servers and cash out what they made. Its common sense. EoC was not the right direction for RuneScape simply because the mass mess it made. And the content it killed. Fact is. EoC probably lost more money that it costs to put up these servers. Development time wise and loss of members. This way they rebuild trust. And maybe they'll start realising their mistakes and instead of covering up maybe theyll act upon it (if they want their job long term) I personaly think the community wont be divided. I will play both. I dont do much in the live game and I will never touch combat again unless its required in a quest etc. I will occasionaly skill and wait for new quests and actual intresting updates. If anything it'll keep players holiding on longer while jagex pulls themselves together. Because lets be honest. They are failing badly as a company. To an extent where they scavinge money that only angers players. EoC was exactly the way the game needed to go. The true reason that EoC has missed the boat is due to the needy nature of players demanding updates every week. This is the only game that has that. If it weren't for this and they didn't have to develope everything twice and could have just devoted everything too it you would have seen a lot less issues upon release. The majority (almost every) popular game out right now has combat mechanics in it. Thats the way society has moved, if RS wanted to stay viable it needs to have a decent combat system. The problem is the way this game was designed and built wasn't made for a singularily combat based system, which is why retrofitting one in now is so painful. If they had the option to stop all development except EoC for a year they could have done so much more. Weapon specific abilites like grabbing and pulling someone to you with a whip would have actually developed some form of skill required for combat. Anyone that doesn't see this needs to try playing a game with real combat mechanics and you'll see why RS is falling behind without EoC, it was a step in the right direction but a giant leap behind where it needs to be. Like I said. It wasnt the combat its self. It was the descruction of everything around it. Combat needed to change. But I think there are much better solutions that they could of implimented over time instead of chucking the whole player base in one boat and messing it up. I feel Mod Mark rushed it just because he wanted to prove a point to all players. Which backfired on him and thats when the petition came around. Which also again made him go back on what he said because hes trying to slyly compensate for the mess he has created. Theres plenty of ways to make Pre-EoC combat unique and still fun at the same time. Abilities and a complete overhaul in weapons and armour was not the way. If they want to update something. Always base it on the old. Like with dragon weapons. They all look crap to be quite honest. Child like, and points everywhere. (which dont even look deadly) Imagine the old Dragon Longsword. All the needed to do was add more faces to it. To make it look sharp and cutting edge. Imagine a thick kanta. Slightly lighter red where the blade gets thinned for sharpness. That sort of thing. Thats a decent upgrade. They tried to hard. Ultimately trying to hard clouds vision. Michael Jackson once said. Sometimes the artist has to get out the way of the music and let the music write its self (imagine when you're trying to sleep at night and all these things come to you, if you try to think of something it turns out shit. It you let it come to you, the outcome tends to be much greater) What are some of these better changes? A complex system of gear and weapon choices similar to something like WoW would allow for a decent metagamming community and allow some diversity. What are some of these better changes? For start, If It was upto me I work of worked at sorting power creep. Nex armours would of got a real special effect. (so it doesn't take away it being unique) At the same time all armours from GWD up would have a tiered SMALL constitution boost. (the EoC mass LP boost is pathetic tbh. What was the need) This will stop people slightly from getting ko'd to quick and having room to breath when they first start fighting. Afterwards as boosts were gotten used to I would of brought more skilling boosting effects to give an edge. (possible smithing upgrades, consitution potions. use of other skills high end) This alone would of fixed power creep to an extent where they could think about expansion. Also other things I would of said were better was to actually release better mage equipment and not purposely cap them. Problem was THEY were pro melee for years and decided not to release any mage equipment to even compare to range nor mage. Talking about that. Range also needed some boosts too. Simple things like this would of give combat that boost of freedom to come up with unique new ideas that would fit the combat system that once was. Magic could have added chance of damage at certain levels etc (lets say fire damage over time 1/10 chance etc like poisen) If they just worked of the old system this thread wouldnt even be here.

My reason for not voting is that I don't believe EoC was a step in the wrong direction. However, dividing the game/community in two is. Obviously the existence of 07 servers will generate jagex more money in the short term. However if it ends up failing and the players on it quit (a proportion of which may have come around to eoc given time) then they'll end up losing out. They can never loose out though. They can easily take off unused servers and cash out what they made. Its common sense. EoC was not the right direction for RuneScape simply because the mass mess it made. And the content it killed. Fact is. EoC probably lost more money that it costs to put up these servers. Development time wise and loss of members. This way they rebuild trust. And maybe they'll start realising their mistakes and instead of covering up maybe theyll act upon it (if they want their job long term) I personaly think the community wont be divided. I will play both. I dont do much in the live game and I will never touch combat again unless its required in a quest etc. I will occasionaly skill and wait for new quests and actual intresting updates. If anything it'll keep players holiding on longer while jagex pulls themselves together. Because lets be honest. They are failing badly as a company. To an extent where they scavinge money that only angers players. EoC was exactly the way the game needed to go. The true reason that EoC has missed the boat is due to the needy nature of players demanding updates every week. This is the only game that has that. If it weren't for this and they didn't have to develope everything twice and could have just devoted everything too it you would have seen a lot less issues upon release. The majority (almost every) popular game out right now has combat mechanics in it. Thats the way society has moved, if RS wanted to stay viable it needs to have a decent combat system. The problem is the way this game was designed and built wasn't made for a singularily combat based system, which is why retrofitting one in now is so painful. If they had the option to stop all development except EoC for a year they could have done so much more. Weapon specific abilites like grabbing and pulling someone to you with a whip would have actually developed some form of skill required for combat. Anyone that doesn't see this needs to try playing a game with real combat mechanics and you'll see why RS is falling behind without EoC, it was a step in the right direction but a giant leap behind where it needs to be. Like I said. It wasnt the combat its self. It was the descruction of everything around it. Combat needed to change. But I think there are much better solutions that they could of implimented over time instead of chucking the whole player base in one boat and messing it up. I feel Mod Mark rushed it just because he wanted to prove a point to all players. Which backfired on him and thats when the petition came around. Which also again made him go back on what he said because hes trying to slyly compensate for the mess he has created. Theres plenty of ways to make Pre-EoC combat unique and still fun at the same time. Abilities and a complete overhaul in weapons and armour was not the way. If they want to update something. Always base it on the old. Like with dragon weapons. They all look crap to be quite honest. Child like, and points everywhere. (which dont even look deadly) Imagine the old Dragon Longsword. All the needed to do was add more faces to it. To make it look sharp and cutting edge. Imagine a thick kanta. Slightly lighter red where the blade gets thinned for sharpness. That sort of thing. Thats a decent upgrade. They tried to hard. Ultimately trying to hard clouds vision. Michael Jackson once said. Sometimes the artist has to get out the way of the music and let the music write its self (imagine when you're trying to sleep at night and all these things come to you, if you try to think of something it turns out shit. It you let it come to you, the outcome tends to be much greater)

My reason for not voting is that I don't believe EoC was a step in the wrong direction. However, dividing the game/community in two is. Obviously the existence of 07 servers will generate jagex more money in the short term. However if it ends up failing and the players on it quit (a proportion of which may have come around to eoc given time) then they'll end up losing out. They can never loose out though. They can easily take off unused servers and cash out what they made. Its common sense. EoC was not the right direction for RuneScape simply because the mass mess it made. And the content it killed. Fact is. EoC probably lost more money that it costs to put up these servers. Development time wise and loss of members. I will also like to make a point. The problem with EoC is not totaly about the combat. Its about how they changed everything for combat. Destroying half (maybe over reacting, but its just to put a statement) the game content (chins, dead minigames, useless quest rewards, Weapons and armour getting made useless on a mass scale instead of a natural scale) The combat people can adapt. But when they torn apart a game for something that is not very well produced or even exciting. Well thats what you call failing as a developer/leader. Mod mark is a very very poor visionary. Always has been. This way they rebuild trust. And maybe they'll start realising their mistakes and instead of covering up maybe theyll act upon it (if they want their job long term) I personaly think the community wont be divided. I will play both. I dont do much in the live game and I will never touch combat again unless its required in a quest etc. I will occasionaly skill and wait for new quests and actual intresting updates. If anything it'll keep players holiding on longer while jagex pulls themselves together. Because lets be honest. They are failing badly as a company. To an extent where they scavinge money that only angers players.

I still dont understand why people dont help make Jagex stronger in the long run by voting. Because people played the game for RuneScape not EoC. It was wrong for jagex to impliment such a game changing update. This will compensate very little to what we have lost. its not like updates are coming out any slower or any less quality. And its not like you're loosing any money either. Its adding more freedom and more variety to RuneScape. Lack of content is not what will make it interesting its the fact we will have the great features than made runescape a strong community and game. Meaning GE-less and EoCless. Theses updates are the main things that impacted Runescape to a level that it dont even break 100k online anymore. Which is quite poorly. As for server space. theres plenty. Jagex should remove like 20 + anyone simply because most of them are basicaly dead anyway. However tomorrow is judgement day to see how things are going! Im sure we will get servers at around 5$ min.

Double o.o

Proper whips as well! Heck all reworks on armour and weapons look childish these days. The old Dragon longsword will be a lovely sight to see.

To be honest, with a large development team (speaking as if 750k yes) I can see them adding quests in as monthly updates. (voted in, choosen by players) The main thing i will miss is quests other than that. Idc. What I would of hoped for live RS oneday is. Pre-EoC and no GE. I think these 2 are key features in what made RS as strong as it was back then.

That is from the start of 2012 to. Not 2013

Why should I vote if I am not going to play the 2007 version of the game? That is just giving false information to Jagex. They will eventually close the servers because it costs too much to run them with so few people playing on them. To support the overall community in getting some fun back out of RuneScape. Which has the potential to increase a better development fund for live RS. If population dies down, so does the development fund for 07.. If anything you only gain. AS long as they are smart about it.