Ok, Here is my opinion on the mage arena so far. ((Only have done the Alchamy, but read on why)) LvL 74 Mage ((1,123,450 xp)) when I went down to the Mage Training area. Brought with me 1k Natz and Lava staff. I wanted to see how much XP I could get in an hour and how many natz it would take me. This is what I found in 2 one hour sessions. First hour: 502 Natz - 16630 Coins which converted to 166 Pizzah Points - 32630 XP from Alc'n - 33,320 from Bonus after I deposited coins. (( I got some coins depo'd to bank, but not paying attention coins )) Second Hour: 492 Natz - 16623 Coins which converted to 166 Pizzah Points - 31980 XP from Alc'n - 33,320 from Bonus after I deposited coins. Summary: 2 Hours I used 992 Natz, received total of 131,250xp. ((Lvl 75 mage now)) Average 132xp per nat Cost for natz at 300 each: 297,600 I normally can alc 1k bows an hour, so.... If you bought 2k natz 600k and 2k Yew Longs 1.2m total = 1.8m You would get : 1,512,000 Net loss = 288,000 XP you would ge in 2 hours: 130k (if you alc'd for 2 hours straight no trading or event) The difference between the two is only 9.6k. My outlook on Mage and other XP right now: I am currently speed training my mage to lvl 85 and am not worried about getting XP on other stats. So I am not worried about my fletching or RC'ing lvls. What I am looking at is what is the fastest way to lvl up mage! On that note..... Alc'n has it's ups and downs Upside: while your alcn you can merchant or buy items you need. This is always my time to sell my items that I have PK'd or items I am looking for. If time doesn't matter you can make a profit on this skill, again if time doesn't matter. DownSide: It is boring as sin! On top of that, if you make your own bows and natz you need to add another 2 to 4 hours to the mix for 2k bows. If you can find the supplies. Can be a waste of time. ((Especially with random events)) Mage Arena also has ups and downs: Upside: Quick XP. You do not have to waste your time find supplies or buying bows at inflated prices. Lot less boring then just alcn at a bank or wherever. You earn points for new Items (which some are worth). You use half the amount of Natz that you use for Hi alcn with same XP or more. DownSide: You hardly make any money here, so no profit. You only make a couple K every hour. The lag on busy servers can be brutal. Conclusion: When speed training your looking for the quickest way to lvl. Just like power mining/wc your not there for supplies, just lvls. The time I save on gathering supplies and making bows can be anywhere from 2 to 5 hours. In 2 to 5 hours I would have made 131k to 320k XP only costing me 300 to 700k. Which for me, my time is worth more then that! Obviously, there are two sides to this coin and many other factors. You could make your own natz for this to help the cost. ((making 1k natz an hour at abyss)) You can make money from fletching and alcn your bows, no doubt! But again this is all about speed training to 85.... then to 94 (woot) So let me know what you think on this and any constructive comments are welcome CRUNK