without pain how would u know joy? life would truely be just nothing but empty space, like u believe when u die, ironic in a way Thats a cop out answer. You dont need pain to have joy. How is it fair for people to live lavish life styles in their $10m mansions while other people starve to death slow and painfully? I live my life now helping others enjoy their own lives because I know that after life theres is nothing, we must all do our best to make it as good as we can because its our only chance.well, its in the bible "its easier to pass a rich mn through the eye of a needle than heavens gates" that i believe "gods favorites have a hard time" 1 of my tattoos, as far as ur personal beliefs i respect them and understand them. as far as aethism though, i just cant wrap my head around the thought that without something devine the earth all the planets, galaxys whatever was just there, im sorry but with creation i just can understand how something is just there. it actually makes less since than if a happy meal created the entire universe. both views leave questions unanswered, i like apples u like oranges, whos right? ill tell u someday or if ur right well who the hell cares then? i just believe the thing that makes the most sense TO ME. i just hope no matter the answer we both find it before it becomes evident