What a wonderfully insightful topic, read all 5 pages. I believe that there are some very interesting points in you post and that much of them are very plausable. I dont recall who said it but they said that they have seen a decline in the amount of autoers they come in contact with. And i believe i may have an answere for it. I only know this because in hope to catch come autoers i have read over one of there forums. One of the main programs used to auto was Aryan. But recently the creator had decided to remove it from the autoing comunity and therefore some of the autoers havent been able to auto because they dont have any programs remaining. P.S. - I detest all vegatables, nasty things they are.