3BO still kinda wins though ;) 117 dger from 3bo cooks food on gulega and fishes because he's out of food. What does 3bo win in? large userbase of [developmentally delayed]s? Floor times in general, plus that's a huge generalisation all the teams I've hosted we have never cooked food, I don't eat food on Gulega.. Experience in general for 100-105+ is more than the 80s, we had an 11 Minute occult 3 days ago with 4 rooms skipped. I don't even run from the 4X4 spike attack on Gulega and I don't die because I can pray switch :wink: I die for prayer, and for HP if I need to because its quicker than counting geepees for altar :P If you want to learn from the best, learn from the best Keyers, the best are in 3BO tbh. Without naming names, I agree DGS does have good dgers, just on the whole I'd pick 3BO personally :\