Rebdragon

Which brings us the the point of no proper evidence existing as to the existence of a supernatural being. If there was logical, definite proof of a specific god, then there would be room for debate. There just... isn't any. Faith is illogical. Intelligient debate is based on logic. Broken record, it's futile. WTFMATE? When did warrior ever say he had all the answers? And what does that have to do with this topic at all?

Or it could be futile if neither side has any proof for it's opinion, nor any proof against the other's opinion. A negative can never be proven, and thusfar physical evidence for a supernatural being is nonexistent. It's futile. It's a matter of faith, either you got it or you don't. No rule 25 :lol: . No.

Incorrect. Ambassador holds the proper Christian [Catholic I guess] standpoint- being gay itself is not a sin, just the act. True Christians accept gays, but simply wish for them not to engage in acts of homosexual nature. This coincides with the "no sex before marriage" rule, as they can't marry in the first place. The marriage rule is also justified by Catholic edict: Marriage holds two major properties of relationships: procreation and unity. Although gays can have the "unity", they don't have the procreation one, so Christianity finds it illogical to allow gays to marry. Ya, it may seem like the Catholic spouts out some screwed up stuff sometimes, but that's the position of the Church; Ambassador's got it right. I disagree with the belief that it's a sin but find no point in arguing it. Ya, kinda, consider the number of people who've killed themselves over it rather than act on it... :| . But homosexuals can't act on their feelings at all. They can't date, can't get close to another person of the same gender, can't kiss them, can't be romantic with a partner, it's all sins. Those actions, on the other hand, are not sins for straight people. Beyond that even, straight people know that if they truly love someone and plan to get married, they can eventually fully allow their relationship to blossom, in ways sexual or otherwise. Homosexuals are just left to, well, either a) rot and live alone for the rest of their lives, or B) try and become what they really aren't. Or c) I guess, acting on their feelings and becoming a sinful monster to the Church who must be "fixed" or be doomed to Hell. I'm sure someone else can write an essay for you explaining why the belief that homosexuality is always a choice is incorrect, 'cause I've long since lost the drive to do such research, proper citation, and essay writing in my posts >_<. Someone want to cover hormones too? Havn't studied that in foeva, but I don't really see a human being being capable of truly ignoring or defying their hormones completely...

You should totally do that.

Sadly, those of us in high school have multiple commitments - i.e., school, mass homework, extracurriculars, and most importantly girls. Add all the crap we have to do together and subtract it from our total waking hours and you have our free time. You're sophmores. That's technically and without a doubt the most worthless year, even more worthless than senior year. Start Junior year, then talk. That is, if you even find time to breathe.

I'm pretty sure this forum has finally realized how futile such a debate as that is. Call it maturity, call it thickness, no one really wants to talk about it anymore. Obligatory: wannabemod. Also obligatory: Rule 25.

I can't realy think of one either. Maybe the time I cracked my collar bone in two... can't think of anything else. [You can do better than the day you missed honor roll kid -_-']

Yes, they are free from sin because knew sin not. Then how the hell is telling them the word of god saving them? My Christian teachings state that those who do not hear the word of God are doomed, which is why the word is so ernestly spread by the Church. Who, or rather what denomination, taught you otherwise?

Dude, just call it a sin, as set by your belief system [although a why would be nice], and be done with it. No need to go on for another ten lines with more double standards than I've ever seen you in post in your entire time here at Tip.it. Who the heck do you know that uses "Oh I'm gay" as an excuse to have sex? If I was looking for sex, I wouldn't make some excuse, I'd just have sex... According to you, a gay person's struggles are not the same as your own. At the end of the day, homosexual acts are sins, and hetero ones are not. You can't just brush that aside and call your struggles "equal". You're telling me hormones don't rule your sexuality? Wait, what? This is news to me; please explain :-s . [side note: Would I be correct in assuming you believe being gay is, and only is, a choice Ambassador? I.e., you believe someone can't be born gay? Just wondering.]

I think the more pressing question would be 'when did you learn to tie a tie'? Shoes, I can't even remember when I learned... though, I tie mine like once a month 'cause I just slip my already tied tennis shoes on every morning :lol: .

You suck.

First of all, the earth wasn't created from "an explosion", but from the particles of a nebula clumping together in a non-gravitational field, eventually to the point where the object that was to become the earth had it's own substantial gravitational field, and thus attracted particles at very fast rate while it orbited around the center of the nebula. Eventually, that large spherical mass crashed into another forming planet of similiar size, resulting in the creation of the moon and a new, larger planet, the Earth. Second, that's a bullcrap reason to be an atheist. Explain to me as to how the occurances of natural events results in the disproving of a supernatural one.

Once in elementary school.

-_-". When is this General spamfest going to end...

I'm thinking even homosexuals would prefer you just used "gay"...

Better than eternity if you ask me >_>.

Let me rephrase it for him: There's no danger if you use at least half of your frikkin' brain. Of course you'll be in danger if you try and get killed, but in reality, unless you're thrill seeking suicidally, there really isn't all that much danger left in the game. Just because there are knives in the drawer in the kitchen doesn't mean you live in a bad and dangerous neighborhood, tots. [Oh, and the Dagganoth Kings are a joke people. Agreed with Sxq- they're not that dangerous if you know what the heck you're doing.]

[^Lat] Which was my earlier point- some people spend a substantial amount of time trying to imagine it, and some others, me included, don't really spend any time trying to imagine it, 'cause we're content with just understanding the concept. I was merely arguing that the idea can be comprehended here, not that it can be experienced from a human perspective. Actually, you pretty much just restated my entire first argument, in which I outlined why I believe people fear death; I fail to see any disagreement of opinion...

Well, biologically speaking, I find it likely that it would be odd for there to be an after life, but I don't really hold any strong beliefs about anything supernatural. I don't "understand what I think is true", I simply withdraw from holding any belief about what it's going to be like after I die. Being in the current physical state that I am now, I find such thoughts meaningless, and could care less about them. To quote Lao Tzu: Student: Master, what is it like after death? Lao Tzu: I do not know, for I have not died yet. Oh, conscious* after death, in emptyness. Yah, I don't think I'd be a fan of that :lol: . [Reading this post again, I may have made that italic usage a little ambiguous. It wasn't a correction; I was putting emphasis, 'cause I was still thinking along the lines of and end to consciousness at the point of death.]

Don't flatter yourself.

Try to imagine what it would be like. You can't. Ergo, it's incomprehensible. Just because I can't "feel" nothingness, just because I can't shut down my mind at will, that doesn't mean it's impossible for me to comprehend the concept :| .

Finally back to the main plot. Damn that took a while.

It's... not existing, a lack of thought and physical state. I don't get it, what's hard to comprehend about it :| ?

Not speaking for Ven of course, but I hold that philosophy and I find it to be a much more useful way to look at life than focusing on trying to comprehend something incomprehensible, like gods or the afterlife. It's nowhere near a 'problem'; it's simply a different outlook on life than your own. Though, I may simply just be having trouble understanding you. Why would you label such a mindset "a problem"?

Other than high levels of pain, spiders. Think I said this on the last thread like this, but their movement is so unpredictable, and they move so creepily, especially the spindly, non-furry ones... I mean, give me a tarantula over a black widow any day, even if they both creep me out >_> (although I would not classify myself as having arachniphobia; they're just the frikkin' weirdest and creepiest type of species on the planet >_<). No one would call you emo for something like that :lol: . Personally, like you I have trouble understanding the general fear of death, it all seems so meaningless. But then again, many people like to entertain ideas of the supernatural and life after death, which I don't really ever do, so that could explain the whole fear-of-death thing.