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it will still have the same number of uses it had when you traded it to them. The number is based on player alone, and the only time it EVER resets to 140 is when a ring of forging breaks while you are wearing it. Take Player 1 and Player 2 as examples. Neither of them have ever used a ROF before. Player 1 acquires one. No matter how he acquired it, trade, ground, general store, etc. it will have 140 uses because he has never used a ring before so his personal #OfOres has never gone down. Now player 1 uses the ring to make 100 iron ores, thus bringing his personal number down to 40. He trades it to player 2. Player 2 can now use the ring 140 times, because his personal number is 140. The ring does not carry any sort of data with it when it changes owners. Player 2 trades it back to Player 1, Player 1 can still only make 40 ores because transferring the ring didn't change his own number in any way. Player 1 makes 40 more ores, and the ring breaks. Only now has Player 1's number been set back to 140. In other words, the ability exists within every player to make 140 iron ores at a time. This ability is "unlocked" if you will, by the ROF. Every time the player's personal number reaches zero, whatever ROF they happen to be wearing will break. It is all dependant on the player, not the ring. Personally I think its a pretty unintuitive way to set things up, but there you have it...

Yes, my information is definitely out of date. I guess I should have made mention of how quickly these people discover and bypass the various strategies used against them. Despite flaws in a few (most?) of the specifics, I like to think the general idea of my ramblings was valid: Bots can do a lot more than people think, Jagex can (and probably does) do more about it than most people think (whether or not they are successful), it is beneficial to Jagex to keep their methods as secret as possible (since they are so easily bypassed once known), and autoers are more difficult to kill than roaches. Wow, I just condensed my 2-3 page post into a single paragraph... Kind of makes you think...

Unfortunately it seems like you don't really have much of an idea of what bots are capable of. Fighting autoers is no easy task. I am going to attach an old post of mine to the bottom of this post to give you some idea of what they are capable of. You can read it if you are interested, or ignore it. As for Jagex saying that they can't reveal the workings of their system, or show evidence, what makes you think that this is not true? Revealing evidence to a banned macroer would simply give that macroer a new goal to set ("Lets see, they defeated my last macro by finding a pattern in my clicks... I had better use a randomizer next time" ) Revealing the workings of their system, even in general, would be suicide. As you will see in the post I am attaching, advanced macroers are capable of doing pretty much anything under one condition: They must know what to do beforehand. In other words, the only way to detect and defeat a bot is to catch it off guard, do something that its program hasn't been set up to handle. I admit that there is some remote possibility that Jagex could be hiding behind this secrecy and in reality not be doing anything about the problem, but really what are the odds of that? After all, they do have a vested interest in seeing the game succeed. There really are methods for detecting bots. Click recorders are foiled by random events, color-clickers are foiled by pattern detection and color changes* , and modified clients/packet manipulators are caught out by traps written into the game code itself. (* believe it or not, colors in the game shift gradually over time. The change is far too slow to be perceived by human eyes, but it is a nasty surprise for macroing programs that search out and click the exact same color each time. Even adding a single unit of saturation make a color look completely different to a computer.) Finally, any bot can be detected if it does something that no human could do (like playing Runescape 20 hours a day for example). The problem is, as you mentioned, that it is too easy to create a bot. According to some people I've talked to, (More specifically eavesdropped upon) the average lifespan of a bot is about 3 days (meaning an average of 3 days before the evidence being collected is conclusive enough to ban them). Sadly in this time more bots can easily be created, there are even macros specifically designed for completing tutorial island. Jagex takes steps against this as well. They have dropped a few hints that they track trade activity extensively in order to hunt down the mains of the people who create autoing accounts, and I am sure they have more advanced methods that they haven't hinted about. Sometimes though, the people creating the autos don't even have main accounts to be banned. Maybe they sell the materials on Ebay, or feel they were banned unfairly and macro for revenge. In other words, many of them don't have any more to lose by getting caught than their mindless bots do. This is the reason why macroing is such a horrible, epidemic problem, not just for Runescape but for almost all online mmorpg's; they quite simply have a force of numbers so great that they can keep profiting no matter how fast randoms eat them up or macro-detectors get them banned, and have very little to lose even when they are caught. I personally believe that to fight macroers will require far more than a brute-force approach of throwing more randoms at them. I think it will require a whole new approach that nobody has thought of yet, something completely different from everything we know now. After all, a famous man once said: ========================================== I have devoted the rest of this space to a copy of a post from the thread http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=516958"Ways to stop autoers, post here". It gives some basic information on what kinds of bots there are, and what they can do. know thine enemy.

In addition, it would be nice if he would let you deposit and check out books from all over Runescape, similar to bookcases from Construction, but with more books.

Darn! I can't believe it never occurred to me that there was a 3. That makes it a little less funny... :( Oh well...I really need to adopt a policy of thinking for 24 hours before I post something...

A while ago I noticed that the file names of some images on the Runescape website sometimes contain interesting information, and I have started routinely zooming in on them and examining their Properties. It was in this way that I came across the rather humorous file name of the picture next to the Hallowvale news... (For those of you who can't see the image, just go to the main Runescape website with your Internet browser (not the client), right click the picture, and choose "Save As". ) From what I can interpret, the picture is of a blood-spattered man with what looks almost like a butcher's knife, and it is labeled "Customer_Support_2". :lol: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it almost seems like they have a sense of humor about our constant complaining about CS. :D Hmm... I wonder what the Customer_Support_1 picture is of? :-k EDIT: Through the magic of URL manipulation, I discovered that Customer_Support_1 is a picture of the Lumbridge Guide.

I have a collection of 300+ in my bank. I'm rich!!! \ And people say Farming is useless. :roll:

Has anybody else noticed this? On the main Runescape site, the picture next to the latest Behind the Scenes is called "macaroni_penguin.gif". I understand the penguin (Jagex has had a slight obsession with them lately : ) but macaroni?! Speculations? Ideas? Crackpot theories? :)

That is funny! I'm keeping that if you don't mind. :lol: Lol, "Insert disc in drive A". :lol:

I will try to explain to you, but first let me refute this nut job before he gives people the wrong idea about programming. There is a big difference between Java and Javascript, they are not similar in any significant way. How would you know that unless you actually worked at Jagex? How do you know which image format they use? Old games used to do that. These days objects are rendered, so that a single file can contain the appearance of the object from every angle. That part is correct as far as I know. Not quite. The game code draws on information in a Runescript database. Also true. You have got to be kidding me! public static void main(String[] args) { private int xpos; private int ypos; ypos = 10; for(xpos = 1; xpos < 1024; xpos++) { draw.pixelOff(xpos-1,ypos); draw.pixelOn(xpos); } } That took me 3 minutes (I timed it). Java is in fact specifically designed to prevent things from taking so long to program. You are right that it takes a lot of time, but I think most of that time is not so much programming as designing new content. Companies these days use sophisticated procedures to make programming new things very efficient. All in all I think you either have experience in different languages, or your knowledge is out of date. I also suspect that you haven't actually done a lot of programming yourself. ================== Ok, I'll respond to the rest of the thread later, as it will take awhile to type, and I am completely out of breath (so to speak). For now I just wanted to clear up those misconceptions.

He already said how to get one earlier in the topic.

That would be so cool! I would get a bunch of broadband connections together and try to download the internet. :lol: (Assuming unlimited financial resources here) You could spend your money on hundreds of home lines (which is extremely impractical), and still never make a dent in that much space in your lifetime. If you were drawing everything right off a major backbone, at the highest possible speeds (multiple gigabit lines, the pipes that run cross country and across oceans) it would still take you an extremely long time to fill that space up. Even with todays tech (fiber lines and so on), downloading an entire Yotabyte of data in any reasonable amount of time isn't possible. I never said I would succeed, only that I would try. :wink:

yes they are. he just reworded them to get some credit. Quite frankly I can't believe that mods would have such simple guidelines. Aside from a few useful numbers and tips, it tells you basically nothing that couldn't be found in the Knowledge Base or a similar place. If that is truly all that mods have to work with, then I pity them. The reason you can't get a straight answer is because both are true. As I understand it, Jagex bans primarily by account and tries to avoid IP banning if at all possible, since they could end up banning innocent people by IP. Jagex does ban IP addresses, but only in severe situations where there is no alternative (For example, if you are running a massive macroing operation from your IP address :wink:) =================== To the author: All in all, an ok guide with some useful information. I believe it will be helpful to people, however I had personally hoped that it would go into as much detail with queries as it did with reporting. There are just so many things players don't know about CS, and so many people who seem to be utterly intimidated by it. Consider things like: >What a CS query should ideally consist of (What Jagex already knows, and what they need to find out from you). >Things to avoid saying in them. >What kind of things you will receive a response for and which ones you wont >Interpreting replies. >What to expect if you have broken a rule. >What to expect if you have been falsely reported. >What to expect/do if you get banned. >How to get across more info than will fit in 400 characters. >what kind of language to use when speaking to Jagex. Etc. There are so many things that people don't really know about sending CS queries, yet it seems like you kind of skipped over it in the guide.

Ouch! Thats worse than the wearwolves!

That would be so cool! I would get a bunch of broadband connections together and try to download the internet. :lol: (Assuming unlimited financial resources here)

My first thought would be to test it out with another power cord. Look for a friend with the same model laptop as you and see if the AC adapter puts out the same power (For example, my adapter reads "output: 19.5V 3.4a"). Find an adapter where the "v" and "a" numbers match up with the ones on yours. If a different AC adapter works, then it means yours has gone bad and should be replaced. That's the only idea I have for now.

I've heard that there is a better chance of getting one if you fight them as part of a slayer assignment. I don't know if that is true, but its worth mentioning the possibility.

The drop goes to the person who does the most damage to the monster. Welcome back, be very careful that people don't take advantage of your lack of recent experience. Trust nobody. :anxious:

There is a place in the wilderness that is marked on the Tip.It map as "Death Gorge". There are spawns of bones and big bones, as well as skeletons to kill if you get bored. Be sure to bring only 3 items and don't get skulled.

[voice=matter-of-fact monotone] I'm starting to think that you are a horrible person. If you are being facetious, then I apologize, please disregard the remainder of my post. If you are serious about going to this much trouble just to annoy people, then I wish you nothing but sorrow and misery until you change your ways. Evey time you purposely irritate someone, you make their mood worse. Your victims then take out that irritation on others around them and so on and so forth. In effect, you are contributing to making the entire game and community a less enjoyable place. People like you should not be allowed to roam free around others. I hope you get hacked and lose your account. [/voice]

Wear a Ring of Life, bring anti-poison and a one-click teleport. Do some research (In this case Tip.It quest guides) to see what kind of monsters/dangers you will be facing. Follow the above advice, and you'll rarely have to worry about anything in Runescape aside from the wild.

Well , that's a completely uneducated post if I've ever seen one , kindly not post in this forum of you can backup a statement with facts. I'm going to regret speaking up, I just know it, but... wasn't that a little harsh? I think he was just joking, parodying a humorous overreaction to a minor problem. I could be wrong, but I personally saw that post as being purely in jest and have no doubt that the user knew full well that nobody in their right mind would throw a laptop out the window over a battery problem. :shock: Ok, I've poked my proverbial stick into the hornet's nest, you may now flame me...

Hmm... My Windows Media Player (10.00.00.4036) works fine, but I have the same problem with Firefox (1.5.0.6). The videos work in IE, but not Firefox.

I'm not sure if Java is the reason, I think the reason is the fact that so much of the game runs over the Internet and has to be downloadable and operable even for people with slow Internet connections (Not to mention the whole thing has to be cheap). In other words, Runescape sacrifices graphics in order to be more accessible to more people, even those with bad connections or low funds. Judging by the amount of subscribers, I think it is doing perfectly well. Some people don't want a completely realistic experience that requires a large investment of effort and capital, but just a quick game to hop on the net and play for 10 minutes during their spare time. Like Alleylee said, graphics is not the priority of Runescape.

I've never heard of it before... Where did you get it? Whats the examine info? Is it from a quest? Is it tradable? Tell us more about it.