708,389xp it was. You obviously don't know how much time I spent on gathering tokens for gloves and tabs in advance. 708,389xp, 32k xp / hour, 22 hours played with 8 hours rest*. I don't see how that could be impossible lol. Please gather facts and then "assume". Thanks. :) *22 hours played with 8 hours rest (when using the 6 hour log to your advantage, you can 30 hours of xp on a 24-day record.) And to Sonic: Jagex has gotten very accurate with bans. They wont ban or stat-wipe anymore without a good reason and with plenty of evidence. (hence why it looks like some bots seem to be around for ages, Jagex simply builds up evidence to be sure, before taking any action.) I'm not saying their system is 100% correct and failproof, but I doubt it'll be far off. If Nuff did get a perm ban (which isn't sure yet, he could be back on hs with a stat-wipe any day now), then I'm sure he did something terribly wrong. And wrong in the meaning of scandalous. Untill then, I believe we should give him some credit and give him the chance to defend his case or explain what's going on. I really wish I could still think like you Sonic..., believing that someone didn't bot... Nowadays, when I find out someone uses silly programs to gain xp, I'm not even surprised anymore. Just happy when they get caught. :)