Viktorkrum77

Nature will be our biggest enemy and an enemy that doesn't care. So we'll pay for it later. And here we were thinking Katrina was bad.

dude that's preposterous we didn't land on the moon...it happened in Hollywood oh...and the Titanic didn't sink at all..we planted a boat out there I wonder if a Titanic conspiracy exists. :-k That would be hilarious! :P

DAMNIT! Thought I would be the first to post that one, but yeah, I'd love to be fluent in every language. I'm learning Mandarin at the moment, I'd absolutely love to be fluent in that, slowly but surely I'll get there :P Oh yeah, that too.

Actually I wanted to see what Apple Inc was worth immediately after reading your post, and then clicked on his name just because.

Not that it makes much difference, but it's more like 5 million. Not according to Forbes this past September. Unless he gained 2 billion dollars of personal income in less than 6th months. That would be pretty impressive of him. Wikipedia must be wrong, I don't know, I'll go get that issue of Forbes now and see. *Edit* Forbes 400 says he's worth 4.9 billion.

Not that it makes much difference, but it's more like 5 million.

Or the people who protest the war and the Bush Administration. I mean, I don't like it either but protesting won't do anything because you have no reasonable solution.

well i dont see windows xp in movies and i've never seen a person in my city listining to a zune so.... im more of an individual then a follower plus i said i might get one, i own a creative zen now Isn't Zen's corporation in partnership with Microsoft? Don't quote me on that.

cant do urself because they always make the 2nd version of the model impossible to open and im a canadian so corporate america can =; cuz i aint a consumerist Go GreenPeace Go! Corporate Canada then, Apple is international but it's still a corporation who's intent is to make money by pleasing their shareholders by making money.

I feel the same when not a single conspiracy theorist bothers to come up with a hypothesis. It almost makes you wonder why bother, if they aren't going to prove their point then why take them seriously?

If you're saying my comments were too exaggerated, no they weren't. It's a fact that my line has only died once in a 3 to 4 year period due to ISP problems. If you're referring to your own comments, then I must agree. :mrgreen: My comments. Yea, I wish I had Comcast but Charter is still really nice.

So, it's corporate America, expect no less. They all just want money. Apple has pretty good stock actually. I always said iPods's need on/off switches.

Exactly. Tell me, what buildings killed 1000's? Hmm, maybe the Twin Towers? Their first priority were the Twin Towers, now that that's over they are currently moving onto WTC7 and expect to have a report out by 2008. You still never answered my question as to why your side doesn't just fund it's own study. After all, it their that desperate then what do they have to loose? Are they afraid of something? Maybe being wrong? I mean, the majority of their evidence already has been disproved.

The official version is crap. My tax dollars have paid for several multimillion dollars worth of investigation. Do you read? I don't have to hypothesize and I'd rather not. All I'm saying is: The official version of what happened to WTC7 is crap and it appears to have been demolished with explosives. This needs investigation. Oh sorry, it's too bad they already are and have done so for the Twin Towers as well. You know, your conspiracy organizations have plenty enough funding to do this on their own, why have they not already? Hmmm...:-k

Ok, then do it. Tell your 9/11 Truth people to stop rallying and hire a CD who's insane enough to take on a project like this. You have no right to say anything until you have a working hypothesis that fits together 100%. Obviously you believe someone already designed such a plan years ago, so it should be no problem for your side, get to work!

It's not our job to wonder about things like this. It's obvious at this point that the government is lying to us. The major problem is apathy. http://summeroftruth.org/lihopmihopnohop.html By not supporting your side you are admitting that you are either a; not right, or b; hiding something. You're just like someone unwilling to testify in front of the law. Support your claims, pointing out inadequate faults means nothing until you propose a hypothesis. So your side should come up with an exact plan for bringing down WTC7 using explosives. Find a way to hide the explosives in the building without gutting it or anyone noticing, find a way to keep the building standing and habitable by 1000's despite major beams being cut, as normal in a controlled demolition, and find a way to hide a set up like this which would take months from the public.

Anyone here have any experience modeling with Maya? I've been thinking of trying it out, but I'm debating at whether or not it'd be worth a try, or if other modeling programs are better.

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ Building 7 is a scientific anomaly, within time a true answer will be reached but it's going to take a lot of research and experiments, and NIST is doing so right now. But I can tell you that it did not collapse due to explosives or thermite, so if you can come up with an alternative that gives control over the collapse good luck, you'll need it. *Edit* Designing a way to bring down WTC7 without even knowing how it was going to be effected would be impossible. Especially for those who don't believe the government was involved in 9/11 and that it was a surprise.

If that's the case, your perception of 'one of the best in the country' is severely scewed. If slow speeds and no connectivity is 'the best' then my 8000/512 cable line looks like god. It is on and pumping full speed 24/7/365 and when it isn't, it's due to a complete power failure to the neighborhood. There has been one instance in the last 3 to 4 years that a failure of my line was due to something Cox had to fix, and that was resolved within the hour. An ISP providing unstable speeds and downtime is ripping you off, plain and simple. Expecting speed fluctuations and downtime does nothing more than feed the crap they're shoving down everyone's throats as 'the best'. That came out too exaggerated. Anyways I have Charter, the fastest speed out there, and 2 times within the last 6 months I've lost internet for a few hours and even those I called who live around me had the same problem at the same time.

Minus core columns there were no columns on any floors. Part of the WTC's innovative design was to move all the vertical load originally exerted through floor columns (like in any normal skyscraper) to all the exterior columns ie. the vertical bands that go around the building (55 on each side). This gave tenants free open office space. But this did make the building weaker because these columns were damaged by the impact, but as Magekillr says did not directly effect the collapse, that was due to what he said above.

The collapsed floors and office walls untouched by fires made certain areas cool enough for people to still habit. In one hall you may have a blazing inferno, but behind a door a few short meters away would be a perfectly habitable office, and this coming from a survivor of the attacks. Sometimes areas had cooled down since having fires, and some untouched. Remember, if you know anything about skyscrapers you will know tenants divide off floors, and some of the interior alabaster walls were left standing.

Almost 70% of leading conspiracy theorists agree with me. They are more or less in an uproar about WTC7, Pentagon, and the Bush Administartion. It's pointless to even investigate this because once the impact zone gave way, collapse was inevitable. The way the building was designed, with pressure and stress converted to exterior columns is why it didn't fall over. Do a little research on the buildings design before making assumptions. You'd be surprised at how innovative it was.

Lol, I never really liked their anthem, it's too "egoish", but I assume most Germans themselves probably don't care for it either. Im pretty sure that now at this point most things relating to hitler are illegal in germany now, under hate litature laws. The anthem, seeing as it has "hitler" in it, is possibly illegal. It was a joke, that anthem does not contain a reference to Hitler.

Think about it, how heavy were the upper portions of those buildings, above the impact zone? Once the impact zone gave way there's no way the floors or the core held any resistance and so they were "pancaked". The kinetic energy of the falling buildings together with gravity were no match for the floors below so one by one they collapsed under the pressure. Though some of the core did remain standing after the buildings collapsed, and then later fell down after being so stressed.

The Bush Administration underestimated the ability of the 9/11 Commission to cover up the truth. Little tidbits do escape. And as for the "Steel/fires" issue, take a look at this video: http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence ... lapse2.mpg Does this look like a building collapsing because of fire? Edit: And an "18 story gash" caused by debris which fell at 10:28 does not explain the sudden collapse of the building at 5:20 PM. We'll wait for NIST's official WTC7 report. You know, the nonconspiracy theorists are actually doing indepth heavily funded research, I've yet to see your sides research, and what you have found has been disproved anyway. BTW "does it look like" does not count as a valid fact. :wink: