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Okay, this time your question is just dumb. No where, anywhere, ever, have I said that people never had souls before Jesus came about. When you die, your...Soul...Either goes to Heaven, or it dies. Your soul dies. It's just gone. You're gone. Peace. See ya'. There is no place where your soul goes and burns in fire because you were a naughty boy once or twice. It's just a moronic concept that goes completely against God.

So hmm... why did Jesus have to come to Earth and die on the cross if there isn't a hell? The irrelevance of that question almost doesn't make me required to answer it... There doesn't need to be a Hell for people to need to be saved from something. That "something" is the LACK of eternal life, aka, just death.

There are dress codes against that. If there is no dress code stating that men cannot wear womens clothes, his rights were violated, he could sue, and he would win. THAT is America. :P

See this is your problem. You try and contradict my beliefs by making up your own perceived view on Christianity when it is me in fact who sticks by what the Bible says. How can you know "the facts" when all you do is water-down everything that the Bible says and turn it into your own perceived views? How can my beliefs on Christianity be wrong when I stick by what the Bible says? Why would you be any wiser than God to come in and tell me that my beliefs (based purely on the Bible and not some diluted statements) are wrong and that what my God has written down for me in his word is infact incorrect and should be perceived Tigras way? Oh seriously, should I start worshiping the Tigra doctrine now shall I? Because God just placed you on this Earth to tell all us Christians how stupid we are for believing what is written in Bible. And that what is written is actually incorrect (because God was incapable) and that you were placed on the Earth to give us the real version of the Word? And I highly doubt you'd know verses better than me, all you do is quote Old Testament verses trying to make them contradict each other. We don't even live by that covenant anymore. And I can assure you that my life is much more valuable, than wasting my time trying to prove contradicting verses right over the internet. The only reason I bothered getting into this argument in the first place was because I found it greatly offensive that you're trying to tell me being a Christian that I'm wrong following the Bible as truth. Like you'd know the in-depths of my faith anyway. :roll: All I have been doing on this thread is defending my religion and faith. [sarcasm]But apparently I'm wrong for believing the Bible, since Tigra knows all, and believes differently And thus faith is useless, and really I should be trusting and relying on Tigra to tell me otherwise. Oh forgive me Tigra for being such an ignorant [puncture]![/s] Oh and the fear of hell has nothing to do with why I believe, its my Savior's love which causes me to embrace my religion. And fear is the opposite of what my beliefs stand for. So its pleasing to see you're able to judge over the internet without even knowing me or my faith. So that's it for me on this thread. I could argue till I go blue in the face, but I'd rather go and read other threads on OT. So I'll allow you to have the last word. Because I'm obviously wrong in my beliefs and I've got many years of the Tigra Doctrine to go and catch up on. :wink: I don't believe there is a "Tigra doctrine", though there probably should be. If there is a God, and he is how Christians say he is (great, forgiving, all-knowing, etc etc etc), then you're a fool to believe the Bible is 100% truth. More than that, you're degrading God by believing it is 100% truth. If you fail to see the contradictions, then I'm sorry, you're beyond saving. Jesus himself couldn't even save you from that blindness. So you beieve God to be a being of pure goodness, yet you believe in Hell? You're a fool, then. All there is to say. Like I said, it's amazing how you people spend so much time thinking up theory's of just how, exactly, these things make sense. Don't you think that they just should make sense, period? Considering it was written by an extremely intelligent being, right? Wrong. Humans wrote it, and humans surely added their own BS. Humans are not above that, and you know that's rule #1 (humans are imperfect, sinners, etc etc). You have never even considered that fact that perhaps Hell was just added in to scare people, or that Hell is, perhaps even...Earth itself! Or perhaps Hell is "death" itself...Either way, there is no lake of fire. It's contradictory to everything that God is, and if you claim to follow God and still believe in Hell, you're spitting in his face. It's like saying about your best friend Jimmy, "Yea, man, he's a great kid! But, you know...He is probably the biggest a-hole ever." It just doesn't compute. Sorry that you don't get it. Go to church and ask someone else who's just as blind to reassure you that, yes, Hell does exist, and if you don't believe that, you'll go there. "Ahhh, how reassuring. God is great, but would make such a place...Man, I wish I could follow him. Wow. What an awesome dude." Yeeeea.

Give it a few decades...Hopefully we'll have a new fuel source and every single Muslim country over there that hates everyone else will be nothing but poor mud-hut dwelling people. Quite amazing how oil companies are holding onto oil so dearly, yet it is in theirs - and America in particular's - best interest to get rid of oil so that the people who wish to harm us...just can't. The only thing all those countries have going for them in oil. Nothing else.

:lol: You laugh because you're one of the moronic puppets who actually believe unbaptized infants and people who swear burn eternally in fire. You're the one who should be laughed at and mocked, not me. No. I laugh because your post was completely without any kind of statistical backing. You state that "more Christians", meaning over 50%, will deceive you than will tell you the truth. That is a ridiculous, unsupported generalization. And then you go on to make an assumption about my beliefs that is again, completely without backing, and completely untrue. Oh, and you added an insult in there as well; um, way to go? Excuse me for making a slight assumption on your statement, you see, ":lol:" isn't exactly a vault of information on what you're trying to [bleep]ing say.

That's hilarious. 5 grand? Go look it up. The government always spends crazy amounts of money on stuff, and Prisoners is no exception. They probably buy their food from companies who over-charge them to boot, just because they can.

:lol: You laugh because you're one of the moronic puppets who actually believe unbaptized infants and people who swear burn eternally in fire. You're the one who should be laughed at and mocked, not me. That comment deserves another. :lol: Besides the total BS of your comment, that's a view of the Catholic Church, far from the beliefs of mainstream Christianity. Infants don't go to hell considering they didn't even have free will in the first place to choose what they believe in. Oh and unrepentant sin leads you to hell - sin is sin even if its murder or swearing in your case. Atleast Insane won't be eternally screwed up the ass like you if God turns out to be real, considering their isn't an Athiest God offering Eternal Life for you matey! So, seriously enjoy life being screwed either way. :wink: If God is real, he likes me more than he likes you, because I don't tar and feather his good name by making him sound like a jerk-off who see's only black and white and no grey. With you people it's either "heaven or hell" and there is nothing in between, and you all think you're going to heaven and you all think you have the right to tell us where we're going. Guess what, [developmentally delayed]? I don't think God would take kindly to you trying to steal his job, do you? Didn't think so. Perhaps you should shut your mouth about who's going where, hmm? You all insult God straight to his face by spreading your stupid illogical BS. Ah yes, God is going to send us all to Hell for completely menial things! Eternal damnation is a pretty big punishment, I'd assume it'd only be reserved for murderers and rapists, not the guy who stole a peice of candy when he was 12 and never asked Jesus for forgiveness. Perhaps if a Bible wasn't blocking the neuro-transmitters in your brain, you'd be able to put together such logical thoughts. I have no fear of Hell. Besides the fact that it doesn't exsist, even if it did...Why would I go there? I'm not a bad person. Hell, YOU'RE worse than I am. Oh so now your playing God? Oh Goodie, its so pleasing to know that an athiest is trying to tell me that I'm insulting God for quoting what he got Man to write in his word. And no there isn't any grey by the way in Christianity (as stated theirs only one way to heavan), unless your Catholic and believe in Purgortrey something it doesn't even talk about in the Bible. Do you think God just forgot about that incy' whincy' bit of detail? :roll: The Bible clearly states that if you don't turn away from your sin and repent and accept that Jesus died for your sins you ain't going to heaven. (The sin you committed doesn't matter in God's eyes). I'm not giving you my personal opinion there matey. :wink: So please get your facts right before trying to prove me wrong next time. Oh and by the way God doesn't decide who goes to heavan and who goes to hell by whos been the nicest person on earth. Because we are all full of mistakes, thats why Jesus came to Earth and died on the cross without having any sin so that he could bear and take our sin for us. All you do is state your own personal made up ill-informed diluted opinion of the Bible trying to contradict my (and other Christians) beliefs of the Bible and fail miserably. So its far from me trying to play God here, its you, trying to read phrase what he's already stated) Atleast know what your talking about next time! :roll: You've proved several times here that you're an obtuse moron. First off, you assumed I'm an athiest. Why? Because I don't have the exact same beliefs as you. Sorry, robot, I'm free to think. I don't come pre-programmed like you apparently do. it really baffles me that people like you have no problem saying God is this angelic, happy, awesome being, but...oh, by the way...you have a 50/50 chance of being tossed into eternal hellfire by him personally. And don't say God doesn't do it - the decision comes down to him. The "they made me do it!" excuse doesn't work on Earth, and I doubt it works anywhere else. Congratulations, you've degraded God into a whining first grader who was caught stealing milk from the 'fridge! I bet he loves you over all other creatures. Secondly, you still completely fail to see your failed logic in the whole "God is great, but will damn you to hell for trivial things". What's really amazing is that you haven't even considered that some, or Hell, perhaps MOST text isn't even correct due to story-telling and jsut plain lying on the part of humans. If God passed this exact text down from Heaven right now and said "It's right." then I'd believe it, but until then, I'd wager anything that Hell is completely made-up as a scare tactic, and other parts of the Bible are complete BS aswell. There is a reason that everytime they research a Bible story, they have to down-size it into something more plausible just to make it work. Noah's Ark, for example...They always end up saying the flood was just in one area..A river flooded and drifted their boat out to sea and back. Also, Noah was a trader, and had animals/beer/food/etc all on the ship for reasons of profit, not reasons of...Well, being a prophet. Quite a bit more plausible than every animal on Earth swingin' by some drunkards boat and them all going on a ride on the entire Earth, which flooded in some way that makes the impossible possible, and they were able to survive even though the atmosphereic pressure would destroy you in seconds and you'd drown in all the water vapor. But, you're free to believe it all. It just makes your life suck. You don't believe in God for love, you believe in him because you fear Hell. When you were a kid and your parents were brain washing you, I'm sure the first thing they said wasn't "God loves you, so believe in him!", because "God will send you to Hell if you don't believe in him, so believe in him!" is way more persuasive to a child...To anyone, really. I'm probably more well-versed than you are, so I'd appreciate it if you quit telling me to get my facts straight. I know the "facts", and I don't consider them "facts". It's amazing how much time you people spend trying to justify the contradictoray stuff in the Bible.

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life. Highly doubt that. A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars. Not everyone lives for 80+ years. Especially not in prison. By the way. Where do you get that $100-200k per year? Read somewhere that that is what it takes to keep 'em fed and clothed and whatnot.

:lol: You laugh because you're one of the moronic puppets who actually believe unbaptized infants and people who swear burn eternally in fire. You're the one who should be laughed at and mocked, not me. That comment deserves another. :lol: Besides the total BS of your comment, that's a view of the Catholic Church, far from the beliefs of mainstream Christianity. Infants don't go to hell considering they didn't even have free will in the first place to choose what they believe in. Oh and unrepentant sin leads you to hell - sin is sin even if its murder or swearing in your case. Atleast Insane won't be eternally screwed up the ass like you if God turns out to be real, considering their isn't an Athiest God offering Eternal Life for you matey! So, seriously enjoy life being screwed either way. :wink: If God is real, he likes me more than he likes you, because I don't tar and feather his good name by making him sound like a jerk-off who see's only black and white and no grey. With you people it's either "heaven or hell" and there is nothing in between, and you all think you're going to heaven and you all think you have the right to tell us where we're going. Guess what, [developmentally delayed]? I don't think God would take kindly to you trying to steal his job, do you? Didn't think so. Perhaps you should shut your mouth about who's going where, hmm? You all insult God straight to his face by spreading your stupid illogical BS. Ah yes, God is going to send us all to Hell for completely menial things! Eternal damnation is a pretty big punishment, I'd assume it'd only be reserved for murderers and rapists, not the guy who stole a peice of candy when he was 12 and never asked Jesus for forgiveness. Perhaps if a Bible wasn't blocking the neuro-transmitters in your brain, you'd be able to put together such logical thoughts. I have no fear of Hell. Besides the fact that it doesn't exsist, even if it did...Why would I go there? I'm not a bad person. Hell, YOU'RE worse than I am.

Hmm.. I've heard it's more expensive to go through the legal process of enforcing capital punishment than to keep them in prison for life. Highly doubt that. A life sentance (opposed to it's title) is 60 years. 60 times $100-200k is somewhere around 6-12 million dollars.

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)? Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice. Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day. Do you know how much a death penalty costs? Apparently it's around 1.3 million dollars, which is complete crap, because a bullet is like 7 cents last I checked. Do the math, still cheaper than housing them.

I can whistle louder than...probably anyone. Seriously, it can make my ears ring for a while. It sounds like a bottle rocket going off right next to you, lol. I can also whistle and make it sound just like a cop siren. It's hilarious to see people look around like there is a cop around. I do it as much as possible.

Dane Cook raped my funniness. Everything about him is exactly how I act, and now when I act...Well, like me...people tell me to stop copying Dane Cook. Damn him. You know what that sounds like to me?.....A personal problem. :P Know what you should do? Guess.

So...Mr. Dude who killed 10 people gets to spend his life in prison, having his meals handed to him at an expense of $100-200k/year paid for by the state (AKA, you)? Pretty sure killing the bastard is a better choice. Personally, I'd rather die than sit in prison, but there isn't much bad about having all your meals given to you and getting to watch TV 17 hours a day.

Dane Cook raped my funniness. Everything about him is exactly how I act, and now when I act...Well, like me...people tell me to stop copying Dane Cook. Damn him.

I like all the nifty graphs. They're so cute. It's too bad that they don't change the fact that Mars has also heated up, and completely lacks any cars or power plants to pump out Co2. Oh snap. Graph that.

People need to stop using the "We weren't meant to eat meat!" argument. I really want to know how the hell they figure that one out, anyways. A quick look at our teeth tells us that we WERE. Evolution or Devine Creation, it doesn't matter. Animals (humans included) with sharp canines and molars eat meat. Animals who do not have such teeth do not. This is true 100% of the time and is non-changing, so either way, we WERE meant to eat it.

I have a 360. My friend has one. His friend has one. None have failed. Statistical "fact" debunked? You decide.

:lol: You laugh because you're one of the moronic puppets who actually believe unbaptized infants and people who swear burn eternally in fire. You're the one who should be laughed at and mocked, not me.

Hell doesn't exist, even if Heaven does, due to the exact conflict you mentioned. It can't. People who argue, "Oh, he loves everyone, but he DID give you a choice...Soo...." are just stupid. "Repent or Burn" isn't a choice. It's a demand. Jehova's Witnesses believe that Hell is a misinterperetation of text, and that the word originally referred to a hole in the ground, and it's likely that the whole fiery death thing came about because Pagan's cremate their dead...Just scare tactics on the part of early Christians. I know a lot of people like to think Christians are incapable of deception, but they're not. More will deveice you than will tell you the truth...That's why noone believes in God. They can't take an old book's word for it. You could look around you and see evidence of God before you could find it in the Bible or any other text. Anyways, when you die, assuming there is a God, you'll wait until the end of the world (likely not conscious of the wait) and then you'll either go to Heaven, or you'll stay dead. The reward for being faithful is eternal life, the lack of reward for not believing is just staying dead. Punishment is against everything God is about. You're free to believe in Hell, but you're only insulting God to his face.

I don't understand why people like techno. It's repeatative beats going on for like 9 minutes. No lyrics. It's absolutely annoying after like 90 seconds.

Until they EAT YOUR FACE OFF.

I thought you said "polar bears turning to cannabis". :lol:

how would you change it? A) getting rid of it B) better game in every single point...gta=poor ...Says the dude playing RuneScape... 'Nuff said. It's not a coincidence that people laugh at and mock RuneScape while GTA it's rave reviews. It's because *gasp* GTA is an awesome series. I dont play runescape properly only use it to talk to a few people...so *gasp* 'nuff said and gta is boring its all the same. Says the man with 1500+ skill total...