Wisp

Some animals would have a better chance at surviving than humans. Almost as many fleeing refugees would be killed by hunger or by the elements because they are simply not used to fending for themselves. Animals on the other hand, especially herbivores might do especially well. If a deer can sometimes escape a hunter with a gun, it could escape a shambling zombie.

Heh. I know a few good areas where I've spent a lot of time in past summers, where I could go for days and days without seeing anyone other than the people I was camping with. My only worry about where I am is, even though my state (Vermont) is pretty sparsely populated, with about 600 thousand people total, just a few hours away driving is NYC, and even closer is Boston. So, there's always a chance that hordes of zombies from those huge cities could find us. This would be an ideal base, but it would take a lot of time to build. A circular wall, or a rectangular one, depending on which would be easier to build. The area directly inside this wall could be used for agriculture, then in the center would be a walled area with a house or building, with possibly a pen for livestock. A well could be dug somewhere inside here. If something like this could be set up the only possible way that we would die, barring natural disaster, would be simply running out of food. My biggest worry would be that occasionally there are huge snowfalls, like over 3-4 feet of snow. But according to the guide, zombies freeze during the winter, so we would be mostly safe, and we could spend the winters scavenging towns. [hide=img][/hide] Obviously in this picture the wall thickness and height is off, but I think the best plan would to be to have 4-10 people there. It's a small enough number that we would have a lot of room, and enough food, but big enough that we would be able to farm, and defend. Here would be my plan. 1:Buy supplies. Or obtain in some way, at least the following for each person: 2 semi-automatic rifles, with at least 2000 rounds. 1 Pistol, preferably silenced, with at least a few hundred rounds A rifle scope, and if possible a silencer. (These can be made by hand, but they aren't as good as real ones. Though those are illegal, I believe) A combat knife. Preferably spring assisted (too big a chance of someone injuring themselves with a switchblade, especially if they don't know what they're doing) Non serrated. An axe and saw. For cutting trees. An axe can be also used as a melee weapon if needed. Hammers, and as many nails as possible. Various other construction tools. A cleaning kit for their rifle Something to sharpen their knife with. A first aid kit A shovel, and if possible, a pickax of some sort. As much food as possible. And as a group we would need Some supply of gasoline, even if it's not a lot A generator, that can also be powered by muscle (ie: Someone riding a stationary bike generates power) Possibly some instant cement, it can be useful, but we wouldn't have enough for anything big. Fertilizer, and seeds. Medical supplies, including as much medicine as we could get a hold of. A water sanitation system of some sort. Various construction supplies (Think piping, sheet metal, and wood) Flashlights, spotlights if possible, and a lot of batteries to power them. Two way radios, and batteries for them. 2: Get to our location, a forested area would be nice, maybe with some natural barriers like a cliff to help protect us. 3: Start building a small wall. Just enough to keep any random zombies at bay until we complete the major one that would surround our whole area. 4:Build a basic shelter, and start working on the external wall. 5:Once the wall's completed, start planting seeds if it's the right season. 6:Make a better living area, more protected from the elements, and so on. 7: Make an internal wall, in case the main one is breached, and a pen for any livestock we have. 8: Survive. We would want at least two people patrolling the wall at all times. If there's just a single zombie, they can pick it off, and dispose of the corpse (having festering corpses outside of our base is a bad thing) once it's clear. If there is a group, everyone would be alerted, and we would work together to kill them, then dispose of their bodies. 9: If we survive 15 years like this, and we don't know what's happening in the outside world, and we have no contact with other humans, we could send a scouting party of two of us. We would find one of a few things, if the party returned. one: The world is in ruins. No one survived. The last zombies are finally rotting away to nothing, and the last of humanity is dead. If this is the case, we would want to look for other isolated survivors. two: The humans won, most of the zombies are dead, but our area has simply not been cleared yet. If this is the case, the best thing to do would be to wait where we are until rescue can come. three: The zombies won, and they still prowl the earth, and humanity has almost been destroyed. Any survivors are scattered. If this is the case, we could either stay where we are, or look for survivors.

If I somehow knew a zombie apocalypse would happen (ie: I heard of an infection in an isolated place, or somewhere far away. Like if it was in china, it would take several months to a year for a major infection to hit the US, if at all) I would probably invest almost all my savings in canned food and MRE's (meals ready to eat.)Then I'd go to the very rural area of my state, and find a secluded area, build a secure area, with a wall, by cutting down trees and so on, and start to plant seeds so I would have food. I would use the MRE's and canned food stuff in the winter, or if I ran out of food from farming. I would also spend the rest of my savings on guns, ammunition, and such. (Legal at my age in my state).

If that statistic is right, 98 guns to ever 100 americans, and there are, give or take, 300 million americans, that's 294 million guns. How would a gun ban be enforced? Not all guns are registered for one, how would the goverment know every single person that had a gun. Some guns are very expensive. If I, for some reason owned a 8000 dollar gun (barett 82A1) I wouldn't want to just hand it over to the police. Of course must guns aren't that expensive, but still. If the gvmnt gave out a tax break to the people they confiscated guns from, where the tax reduction was equal to the value of the gun (ie:300 dollar gun=300 dollar tax break), that could end up being literally hundreds of billions of dollars. A black market of guns would emerge to a greater extent. If people want a gun, they would be able to get one, regardless of legality. As snipersas said, a shotgun for home defense is probably the best weapon. A shotgun might be overkill, but how many people here have ever shot a .45? unless you're trained, at 2 am, after just waking up to find an armed intruder in your house, you're probably not going to be able to hit the person, much less aim for the leg in order to wound them.

"Well, if we're lucky, that'll work" May said, stepping away from the ramshackle barricade. "And caladan. The next time you run off into a room to investigate a suspicious sound and get puked on, we might have to leave you for horde-bait". May shoved her way in front of Vlad and Cal, who were standing by the door, and looked out, aiming her shotgun in the direction she heard the horde coming from. "Do not let them get in this room. Try to alternate firing, so that way you don't both have to reload at the same time." May stuck her head out once more. "They're 20 seconds away. Get ready."

Umm... What?

How is this a waste of government money? Just because the topic of cows farting might not seem as serious as a truck spitting out toxins, it is still a viable issue.

I have selective photographic memory. Sometimes I can picture something I saw days or weeks before with just a glance, sometimes not. But it's kind of weird for me to think that other people's memory works differently than that.

OOC: Resisting the urge to tell everyone to get into the closet and spam melee till the horde's gone "Damn it Caladan!" May shouted, and ran to Cal. The boomer rushed towards her, to try to claw her, but she shoved it back with her rifle. Unfortunately, the room was too small for her to be able to shoot it without it covering all of them with it's bile. Lacking another solution, May picked up a chair lying on it's side on the floor, and ran towards the boomer, pushed it into the wall, and held it there. "It'll can't vomit for another 30 seconds or so, hopefully. Cal, wipe yourself off, and help Vlad and Falcon hold off the horde. I'll keep it here as long as I can" may shouted, struggling to keep the flailing boomer pinned.

For the same reason we're not banning cars. In today's society, they're basically a necessity. But people are working on ways of reducing cow's impact, just as there are people trying to make cars more efficient. Couldn't a global meltdown be, say, the ice caps melting? ... EDIT: As for you being centrist, I have yet to see one liberal view you have had, in any of your posts on these forums. I might have missed something, but...

You're just saying things here. you don't have anything to back yourself up. You're never going to get a bill that all parties agree on, and the first bill he helped pass happened to be democratic leaning. The opposite of progress is regress. Thanks for asking. Would you still say it was partisan if it only funded things that you agree with? No. You wouldn't be complaining I don't completely agree with salary caps, but those two things are not at all related, and give me a source on those "billions" spent on democratic exec's vehicles. I don't really see what your trying to say here. It's phrased badly, and you're saying a stimulus doesn't help at all? It's just barely been passed, we don't know what it's real effects will be. Do you know how hard something like this would be? Do you honestly know anything about politics? Some things take time, and as you said, he's been in office for four weeks. Of course he hasn't accomplished half of what he wants. These politicians were voted in by the american people. It is not a monarchy. just because you don't agree with them it doesn't make it a monarchy. We are not a monarchy. Just because we voted in people who agree with a certain bill, it's not a monarchy. His party is the majority. Several republicans voted for the bill as well. There are are more democrats in congress than democrats, thus they are the majority. Do you expect him to not agree with the majority just to appear non-partisan?

"Well, who's smaller. I don't want someone getting stuck in a duct."

May crouched down, in order to get out of the way of Vlad's shooting, and moved forward a few steps, and pushed open a door into a side room. It was a utility closet. The shelf had been cleared of supplies, and there was a bit of blood spattered on the back, as well as a few bulletholes, but that was all. But that wasn't what May was looking for. She switched on the flashlight she had taped to the bottom of her shotgun, and pointed it towards the ceiling. There was a vent, which was just what she was looking for. She figured if she could get into the ducts, she would be able to navigate the base in a safer manner. The vent was out of her reach, but she reached up, and using the butt of the shotgun, she hit the vent hard enough that whatever was holding on snapped, and it fell out. May stepped back into the hallway, and told the others what she wanted to do: "So, right now, the base is too hard to navigate easily. There are no lights, and all these windows are blocked, so it's pretty damn dark. I'm 90% sure that if I follow these ventilation ducts, it'll eventually get to the generator room. Presumably, whoever was holed up in this place was trying to save power, because the generators in these places are pretty big, and the fuel would have lasted longer than this, even if it was kept on 24/7. So they probably just had the generator off, and no one turned it back on when they were overrun. Not only will this turn the lights back on, it'll turn their computer systems back on, and there's some information that I want to see if I can find on their computers. Now I can't really go anywhere alone, if there happens to be a smoker or hunter, I would be dead. So I'd need someone to go with me."

"The base I was positioned in was different than this one, from the basic layout I saw on the outside. When we were still holding the line at the rocky's before we decided to try to clear the country, I was positioned at a couple of bases. It depends what the base is designated for, some states or districts are air force only, some are heavy armor, some are just general bases. I couldn't find a record of what this base's designation was before everything went to hell, but I think we can discount armor. Most tanks were scrapped for supplies in the last zombie war. Air force would be possible, but less likely, and we probably would have seen atleast a runway. But, since the last war ended, they've been a little less strict on designations, so there might be a bit of a mix. But, given that I have no idea where to go, there's at least a decent chance the supply rooms are down there, we may as well head that way."

Just ask her to a movie. It's not that hard, and if you're really scared of rejection, you could try to make it seem like you're asking as a friend, though that might not always work out. Don't worry too much. If you don't try to ask, nothing will ever happen.

Emotions in teenage relationships are just as real and strong as those in relationships later on in life, even though they are often more fleeting. Since you've never been in a relationship it's hard to explain why they have a point and so on, but as for asking someone out, it's different for every person. There's no sure way to get someone to go out with you, or to even like you. Don't just ask some random person, get to know them first. Know their interests, find something in common with them, whatever. I've only had to ask a guy out once, but that was because he was too shy to ask me himself, so I'm not too good with specifics on that. I personally don't mind how someone asks me out, unless they're being overly arrogant about it.

"Alright, I got point then. Watch out for side passages, or even vents in the ceiling. There's no telling where these buggers could be.

According to the guide, they kill everything, but if there was a human and a dog standing side by side, they'd go for the human. Oh, good. So I'll just have to make sure I'm in a crowd when they attack. With, perhaps, some tipiters that are too busy fighting to wonder why I'm not being attacked nearly as much. But once you all die, I'd have to come up with a new plan. Well, zombies still have use of their eyes. But, the lack of a human smell might deter them. Who knows.

"well, we're damn lucky this door opens out, since I blew off the handle. If it opened in, they'd just push it open, but they're not smart enough to pull it." May paused. "as for our cars, and our gear, I have most of the important equipment I brought here." She said as she gestured to the pack she had strapped to her back. "But if we want to get out of here, we're going to need to get back there eventually. Plus, the food that I packed into the cars in case we get stuck here i rather important, as I only have so much supplies back at my house. Not to mention I left my rifle there. But that's not important right now. Our first priority should be searching and possibly securing the base. Follow me." Mae took her flashlight from her belt and started walking into the dimly lit hallway.

According to the guide, they kill everything, but if there was a human and a dog standing side by side, they'd go for the human.

I love them. Sitting in bed, listening to the crash of thunder is very comfortable to me : I like being in sort of an enclosed space, like a car, or my room where I can hear the rain pounding on the roof/whatever all around me. It makes me feel safe for some reason.

I'm social, but I hate being alone. I like thunderstorms. I hate the dark, but like it at the same time. Hard to explain this one. When I was 12 or so a stranger tried to grab me when I was walking alone on my street, but he heard a siren in the distance, got scared, and he ran off. I was really [bleep]ing lucky. After that I took three years of self defense class, and I usually carry a knife with me. I've never done illegal drugs though I've tried salvia. I'm good with money I'm a fast runner I'm usually bad with relationships.

How are you sure "she's" female if she looks like a dude and has a moustache? :? I mean usually it's pretty obvious but still... :? Read up a few posts.

May continued sprinting towards the first door into the base. She was about 30 yards away from it, when she heard a muffled cry from behind her, and then a shouted obscenity. May looked back over her shoulder, and saw Vlad being pulled back into the crowd of zombies. Then, she felt the ground smack into her body. She looked at her feet, and saw they were caught in a trip wire, that had probably been set up there by whoever was guarding the military base back before it had been over run. She saw Vlad slowly being pulled back further and further towards the horde, and caladan and falcon hadn't seemed to notice. May, still on the ground, drew her pistol as she got up, aimed, and fired in the direction the tongue was coming from. She saw a normal infected fall, and then another as she shot again. It was useless, the smoker was using the other infected as a shield. Having no other choice, May took aim at the tongue, hoping she could sever it with a bullet. She fired three times in quick succession, and the tongue was hit by the third. Vlad fell to the ground as the tongue released, but was soon back on his feet, and running, but the closest zombie was only a few feet from him. May ran the remaining yards to the entrance to the military base, and fumbled with the handle on the door. It was locked. May looked around, there were no entrances close enough to them. Caladan, soon followed by Falcon arrived next to her at the door. "Now what?" Falcon asked. "I have an idea. this won't work if the door is barred though." May responded, and she drew her shotgun, aimed it at the handle, and fired. It blew a small hole in the door, destroy the lock, and she tried to push the door open, but it still wouldn't budge. Caladan then stepped in front of her, put his hand into the hole, and pulled, and the door opened. "Heh. I didn't think of that. Now get in." May said, as she stepped through the open door. Vlad was still a bit away, with the horde close behind. OOC: Let's not re-enact the first scene exactly.

Considering there were only like 45 ever made, and it's a giant plane, I doubt it would be possible to get. A humvee with a mounted mg would be good against bandits though.