Stereotyping Rap.

[Satenza]

I don't know, theres something uninspiring about a man sat infront of a computer creating a drum beat than an actual drum beat.

[Chocobodude0]

Rap is my favorite genre of music, I grew up around it, and will die around it.

 

 

 

A lotta people who hate rap don't really understand what rap is. When you tell someone you like rap, they instantly think of the "I have lots of money and women who like to have sex in return for money, let me rap about it song after song" hip-pop. It's because that's the music that is popular now (unfortunatly). You know what I do? I return the blow by stereotyping their music. I never mean what I say (because I in no way beleive these stereotypes), but I normally go:

 

 

 

Metal fan: Go sacrifice a lamb or something, you 30-year-old living in you mom's basement.

 

 

 

Country fan: Isn't there a klan meeting you should be at right now? Or a Nascar race or something?

 

 

 

Pop fan: Your music is like, so like, [developmentally delayed]ed. I mean, like, you know, like, like, like, don't you ever get, like, tired of it?

 

 

 

Emo: SO I should listen to your "I'm so depressed, let me cut myself music? Why are you depressed? Is it because living in the suburbs is incredibly difficult? Or is having too much food in your pantry really stressful? (Okay, I actually believe this one. I HATE emo music.)

 

 

 

Please don't flame me for this post, I didn't mean any of what I said ('cept for the emo one :-# )

 

 

 

So when people stereotype rap, remember that in the end, it is just that a stereotype. You gain an immunity after a while from all the ignorant rap-haters. :D

[GordanFreeman]

I don't know, theres something uninspiring about a man sat infront of a computer creating a drum beat than an actual drum beat.

 

 

 

Exactly my point.

[Icingdeath]

I like some rap songs (well, hip-hop mainly...you know, the old school stuff). But I'd say other genres play actual instruments, which requires quite a bit more energy, time, and talent than rappers put forth to make their music. I'm not disrespecting the rap genre, even if I'm not fond of it. It does take some talent, but let's take a guitar player for example. This person spends years practicing their chosen instrument, while a rapper only needs to find a good writer.

[Chocobodude0]

I like some rap songs (well, hip-hop mainly...you know, the old school stuff). But I'd say other genres play actual instruments, which requires quite a bit more energy, time, and talent than rappers put forth to make their music. I'm not disrespecting the rap genre, even if I'm not fond of it. It does take some talent, but let's take a guitar player for example. This person spends years practicing their chosen instrument, while a rapper only needs to find a good writer.

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations. Almost all good rappers write their own music, they don't go around looking for writers. -.-

 

 

 

To make good bars, it's not as simple as writing words on paper, like you make it sound. Writing a song, in ANY genre, requires extreme skill, you need to make sure that the words flow well with one another, ESPECIALLY in rap/hip-hop. On top of that, they have to go well on a beat, and traditionally have to rhyme or be assonances. A rapper spends years perfecting his rhymes, flow, style, and melody. You don't just wake up a master lyricist.

 

 

 

Bottomline: Rappers spend years perfecting their lyrics just as guitarists spend years mastering the guitar.

[Poopingman]

Wow, this sounded more like an anti-Metallica thread than anything. Rap takes little talent, other than knowing how to talk with a beat. But I guess it must have something good if so many people like it.

 

 

 

Simply put, thats an ignorant statement. I'm a metalhead for life, but I did however help one of my friends make some rap songs (hes an aspiring rapper) and to say theres no actual music involved, is ridiculous. The beats aren't as easy to make as you may think. It requires a lot of keyboard use, and you have to at least understand the basics of music to get anywhere with it....not to mention the rapper has to come up with fresh verses that flow well.

 

 

 

Coming from a fan of both genres, it takes more effort to make decent rap lyrics than it does the incessent screaming thats in most popular music (metal, etc.) these days.

 

 

 

It isn't an ignorant statement. When he refers to "talent", he's comparing the rap genre in general to probably the rock genre. And, plain and simple, when you're comparing the two, it's clear which requires more talent. Much more, in fact.

 

 

 

To add a bit more, the number one reason most people don't like rap (i'm guessing) is the lack of actual music. A rap song consists of: talking, synthesizer, and (usually) an artificial drum beat. I don't blame people for not wanting to listen to it, and even criticising those who do.

 

 

 

Thats simply your opinion, most popular rock that plagues the radio these days is extremely simple in function and form. Just because its been around longer doesn't make it any better...

[How2PK]

I don't really see why everybody always needs to compare everything talentwise. Both genres require different kind of talents. It hasn't got anything to do with more or less. And it wouldn't make it better either. Some music lovers you are.

 

 

 

I also don't understand why some people can't just not like some kind of music, and just leave it at that. But they have to visit every topic and take every opertuniyy to 'diss' another music genre. It's very annoying.

[warri0r45]

I like some rap songs (well, hip-hop mainly...you know, the old school stuff). But I'd say other genres play actual instruments, which requires quite a bit more energy, time, and talent than rappers put forth to make their music. I'm not disrespecting the rap genre, even if I'm not fond of it. It does take some talent, but let's take a guitar player for example. This person spends years practicing their chosen instrument, while a rapper only needs to find a good writer.

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations. Almost all good rappers write their own music, they don't go around looking for writers. -.-

 

 

 

To make good bars, it's not as simple as writing words on paper, like you make it sound. Writing a song, in ANY genre, requires extreme skill, you need to make sure that the words flow well with one another, ESPECIALLY in rap/hip-hop. On top of that, they have to go well on a beat, and traditionally have to rhyme or be assonances. A rapper spends years perfecting his rhymes, flow, style, and melody. You don't just wake up a master lyricist.

 

 

 

Bottomline: Rappers spend years perfecting their lyrics just as guitarists spend years mastering the guitar.

 

 

 

Firstly, in response to your previous post, you shouldn't stoop to a stereotypers level, even if you're not serious. Water off a ducks back. Just let them believe what they do ignorantly (or correct them, if ignorance annoys you to the end of your sanity).

 

 

 

Secondly, I'd bet commercial rap vs. commercial rock are relitively even talent-wise these days, but if you were to compare say, underground prog metal and underground rap, I'm sorry, talent-wise I'd say the metal would take it out (although this is perceptive unless you compare hours practice to get where they each respectively are, which is what I was getting at).

 

 

 

As hypocritical as it sounds me saying this now, we really shoundn't try and compare music in terms of talent as if it's a judge of how good a genre is. There are good and bad acts in every genre.

[GordanFreeman]

I like some rap songs (well, hip-hop mainly...you know, the old school stuff). But I'd say other genres play actual instruments, which requires quite a bit more energy, time, and talent than rappers put forth to make their music. I'm not disrespecting the rap genre, even if I'm not fond of it. It does take some talent, but let's take a guitar player for example. This person spends years practicing their chosen instrument, while a rapper only needs to find a good writer.

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, i'm just going to stop reading what you said right there. You-are-wrong, and that is a FACT. It doesn't have to be a personal opinion, but I'm sure that anyone with common sense would disagree with what you said. How old are you? You obviously haven't had much first hand experience in music.

[Chocobodude0]

I like some rap songs (well, hip-hop mainly...you know, the old school stuff). But I'd say other genres play actual instruments, which requires quite a bit more energy, time, and talent than rappers put forth to make their music. I'm not disrespecting the rap genre, even if I'm not fond of it. It does take some talent, but let's take a guitar player for example. This person spends years practicing their chosen instrument, while a rapper only needs to find a good writer.

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, i'm just going to stop reading what you said right there. You-are-wrong, and that is a FACT. It doesn't have to be a personal opinion, but I'm sure that anyone with common sense would disagree with what you said. How old are you? You obviously haven't had much first hand experience in music.

 

 

 

"Guitarists need more talent than a rapper"

 

"Rappers need more talent then a guitarist"

 

 

 

NEITHER OF THOSE ARE FACTS. A 2nd grader could tell that. They are OPINIONS, which are voiced through message boards as these, that's what they're here for. You provided NO reasons to why a guitarist is better than a rapper, you instead just attacked my age and experience in music (which I have quite a lot of). I voiced my opinion, and gave my reasons to back it up. I never attacked the poster himself by insulting him like you just did to me. It's an opinion. It says it right there in the beggining of the second sentence, "I THINK".

 

 

 

So next time, give a reason to why I should agree with you instead of just attacking something as unimportant as my age.

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, in response to your previous post, you shouldn't stoop to a stereotypers level, even if you're not serious. Water off a ducks back. Just let them believe what they do ignorantly (or correct them, if ignorance annoys you to the end of your sanity).

 

 

 

Secondly, I'd bet commercial rap vs. commercial rock are relitively even talent-wise these days, but if you were to compare say, underground prog metal and underground rap, I'm sorry, talent-wise I'd say the metal would take it out (although this is perceptive unless you compare hours practice to get where they each respectively are, which is what I was getting at).

 

 

 

As hypocritical as it sounds me saying this now, we really shoundn't try and compare music in terms of talent as if it's a judge of how good a genre is. There are good and bad acts in every genre.

 

 

 

I understand, and yes, in retrospective, that probably wasn't the kindest and most respectful thing to say, and I apologized to anybody I may have offended. being rude was never my intentions. I'll keep my mouth shut next time. :-#

 

 

 

Though our opinions differ in that area, I still shouldn't have done what I did. My bad.

[Catbert]

Rap is my favorite genre of music, I grew up around it, and will die around it.

 

 

 

A lotta people who hate rap don't really understand what rap is. When you tell someone you like rap, they instantly think of the "I have lots of money and women who like to have sex in return for money, let me rap about it song after song" hip-pop. It's because that's the music that is popular now (unfortunatly). You know what I do? I return the blow by stereotyping their music. I never mean what I say (because I in no way beleive these stereotypes), but I normally go:

 

 

 

Metal fan: Go sacrifice a lamb or something, you 30-year-old living in you mom's basement.

 

 

 

Country fan: Isn't there a klan meeting you should be at right now? Or a Nascar race or something?

 

 

 

Pop fan: Your music is like, so like, [developmentally delayed]. I mean, like, you know, like, like, like, don't you ever get, like, tired of it?

 

 

 

Emo: SO I should listen to your "I'm so depressed, let me cut myself music? Why are you depressed? Is it because living in the suburbs is incredibly difficult? Or is having too much food in your pantry really stressful? (Okay, I actually believe this one. I HATE emo music.)

 

 

 

Please don't flame me for this post, I didn't mean any of what I said ('cept for the emo one :-# )

 

 

 

So when people stereotype rap, remember that in the end, it is just that a stereotype. You gain an immunity after a while from all the ignorant rap-haters. :D

 

 

 

Rap: You're white,rich and live in the suburbs. You listen to a genre focused around poor black people living in ghettos that commit crimes on a daily basis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations. Almost all good rappers write their own music, they don't go around looking for writers. -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I actually got 2nd place in my high school free style rap competition, I entered as a joke.

 

 

 

Guitarist have to 1. Write complex musical riffs that go along correctly with 3 other instruments 2. Have a constantly changing, fast paced instrument to play 3. Every note has to go good with the last one, it is just like song writing. If it doesn't mix with it, it wont sound good

 

 

 

Rappers have to 1. Make a simple beat that constantly repeats on the computer 2. Make lyrics that rhyme

 

 

 

NEITHER OF THOSE ARE FACTS. A 2nd grader could tell that. They are OPINIONS,

Last time I corrected someone on a grammatical error, I was trying to change the subject because they had totally owned me

 

 

 

 

 

Go take a musical theory class, everyone thinks that they know a lot about music because they can play a few songs on guitar. Musical theory should be a required course, 22/26 people in my class failed. I went on to AP musical theory and was 1 of 3 people

[Chocobodude0]

Rap is my favorite genre of music, I grew up around it, and will die around it.

 

 

 

A lotta people who hate rap don't really understand what rap is. When you tell someone you like rap, they instantly think of the "I have lots of money and women who like to have sex in return for money, let me rap about it song after song" hip-pop. It's because that's the music that is popular now (unfortunatly). You know what I do? I return the blow by stereotyping their music. I never mean what I say (because I in no way beleive these stereotypes), but I normally go:

 

 

 

Metal fan: Go sacrifice a lamb or something, you 30-year-old living in you mom's basement.

 

 

 

Country fan: Isn't there a klan meeting you should be at right now? Or a Nascar race or something?

 

 

 

Pop fan: Your music is like, so like, [developmentally delayed]. I mean, like, you know, like, like, like, don't you ever get, like, tired of it?

 

 

 

Emo: SO I should listen to your "I'm so depressed, let me cut myself music? Why are you depressed? Is it because living in the suburbs is incredibly difficult? Or is having too much food in your pantry really stressful? (Okay, I actually believe this one. I HATE emo music.)

 

 

 

Please don't flame me for this post, I didn't mean any of what I said ('cept for the emo one :-# )

 

 

 

So when people stereotype rap, remember that in the end, it is just that a stereotype. You gain an immunity after a while from all the ignorant rap-haters. :D

 

 

 

Rap: You're white,rich and live in the suburbs. You listen to a genre focused around poor black people living in ghettos that commit crimes on a daily basis.

 

 

 

Okay, fine. I stereotyped other musical genres (as a joke), so insulting you for doing the same would be redundant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally disagree with that. I think rappers need as much talent as a guitarist, maybe even more in certain situations. Almost all good rappers write their own music, they don't go around looking for writers. -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. I actually got 2nd place in my high school free style rap competition, I entered as a joke.

 

 

 

Guitarist have to 1. Write complex musical riffs that go along correctly with 3 other instruments 2. Have a constantly changing, fast paced instrument to play 3. Every note has to go good with the last one, it is just like song writing. If it doesn't mix with it, it wont sound good

 

 

 

Rappers have to 1. Make a simple beat that constantly repeats on the computer 2. Make lyrics that rhyme

 

 

 

You got 2nd place in a freestyle contest, and you entered as a joke. Okay, great. What on earth did that have to do with it? That was just a sraight up troll comment.

 

 

 

Okay, watch this, I'm gonna do the same thing you just did, only reversed:

 

 

 

Rappers have to:

 

1.) Create a unique, complex beat by statrting with a standard one and then adding all sorts of other instruments onto it, which DOES require at least basic knowledge of the insturment.

 

2.) Make rhymes that follow in a usually similar scheme, and express them all while trying to make them unique so that they don't fall into the trap that all the mainstream 1-hit-wonders have.

 

3.) In terms of a freestyle, rappers must always be on their toes and constantly have their minds ahead their mouths,which isn't an easy feat, and it's only harder when it has to rhyme.

 

 

 

Guitarists have to:

 

1.) Hit some strings with a guitar pick.

 

 

 

Now yes, I know that playing a guitar is MUCH harder (no sarcasm) than how I described it. But that's what you did to writing a rap. You explained playing a guitar in detail, and then summed up rap so it would sound like it takes nothing. I'm starting to get tired with the comparisons of talent in terms of a rapper and a guitarist. We could debate for ages, opinions are opinions, and would never be able to boil down to a fact. I never insulted guitarists and said it requires no talent, I did the opposite. I DO believe that guitarists need a lot of talent, but I also believe that rappers do as well. Music in general, no matter what the genre, will require talent of one sort or another.

 

 

 

 

 

NEITHER OF THOSE ARE FACTS. A 2nd grader could tell that. They are OPINIONS,

Last time I corrected someone on a grammatical error, I was trying to change the subject because they had totally owned me

 

 

 

That error wasn't even grammer related! -.- He said I was wrong because guitarists need more talent than rappers, and that's a fact! I didn't change the subject, I stuck on the subject of comapring the talent of a rapper and guitarist throughout my entire post (unlike both him and you, who instead of providing reasons, you just threw troll comments at me). Besides, half of the stuff in this post is constantly changing the subject! Remember, your freestyle rap contest? Or you changing the subject to grammar, which had NOTHING to do with this? Or, best of all, your class on music which only a few people passed? You're the last one who should EVER criticize someone for changing the subject.

 

 

 

Go take a musical theory class, everyone thinks that they know a lot about music because they can play a few songs on guitar. Musical theory should be a required course, 22/26 people in my class failed. I went on to AP musical theory and was 1 of 3 people

 

 

 

I already stated how this is irrelavent above. I never said I knew how to play the guitar, I never dubbed myself a musical expert. I did say I have a lot of EXPERIENCE in music, but I never said I have more than someone else, like what you're doing right now.

 

 

 

I apparently offended a lot of people by saying that rappers require talent to succesfully rap. -.-

 

 

 

I never ONCE insulted guitarists, the guitar, or anything along those lines. I've said a guitarist DOES require talent, I merely stated that a rapper does as well. In the end, it's just my opinion. I didn't force it on anyone, nor did I start flaming people and throwing out troll comments left and right. I stated it, gave my reasons why I believe so, and stopped there. So please, can the flamign stop? It's gonna end up locking an otherwise very good thread. Thank you.

[magekillr]

with the crap that's out today...i believe it is safe to stereotype rap

 

 

 

there arn't many good rappers left...

 

 

 

i don't like rap's sound...but i love the message..and today's messages are just rank.