Viktorkrum77 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Yep, this is officially the 3rd time on TIF. :P Well, I had this idea at school, and came home and furthered it on MS Paint. I'm hoping the general concept is pretty simple to understand. The main drawing is 2d, but it looks sort of like a 3d C. My question is, since there are plenty of physics people around here, is the building plausible? If you were to use the elevator also as support, would it work? Where else would support be needed to make this plausible (if it even is)? *Edit* Is anyone here a certified architect or engineer? Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandaownage Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Maybe but there would by a lot of pressure on the bottom building and the bottom of the C. It would be hell to make the floors. (It's ok, you can stay in your dream world :) ) Off topic in off topic: Whoo Hoo Kuwait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisp Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Well, I presume the the parts coming off the elevator are either 1: supports 2: walkways to get the the floor Hegemony-Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 Well, I presume the the parts coming off the elevator are either 1: supports 2: walkways to get the the floor They act as both. Inside there is a people mover. But can they really act as supports, are they in the right place? They however, unlike the elevator shaft, are only two sections wide, not 6, with a meeting point that adjoins all the elevator drop off areas to the two walkways. Seen from above: Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 would there be office buildings on the C, that would be pretty cool. Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sour_tacos Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Maybe some kind of supports off of bottom of the C and the main building, to take some of the pressure off? Like a suspended bridge kind of thing, except its not a suspended bridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonpost Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 My only concern is that the building isn't economically practical... Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Share Posted May 7, 2007 would there be office buildings on the C, that would be pretty cool. Yes, the floor plan would be a rectangle. With areas disturbed by glass. However, I haven't entirely worked out a core yet, or if one will even be possible, and also the internal columns could be tricky. My only concern is that the building isn't economically practical... You mean the small size of each tenant floor? And the disturbing glass? Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barihawk Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So you are using the elevators as the support for the structure? I can seem to recall a building that used that principle. Two buildings, actually. Twin buildings if I recall... My heart is broken by the terrible loss I have sustained in my old friends and companions and my poor soldiers. Believe me, nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a battle won. -Sir Arthur Wellesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 So you are using the elevators as the support for the structure? I can seem to recall a building that used that principle. Two buildings, actually. Twin buildings if I recall... That's one of the things I need help with. Which is if that's plausible on this scale. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonpost Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 So you are using the elevators as the support for the structure? I can seem to recall a building that used that principle. Two buildings, actually. Twin buildings if I recall... They used the walls as well. The main fault there was the weak structure between the walls and the central shaft...once the walls bowed out, there was nothing to support and so they fell through. But to elaborate further on the economic deal...you're going to have a lot of wasted space because the building is a circle. Circles create a lot of odd shapes that are hard to use. They don't make furniture for every circumference of circle. Also, wouldn't it be much cheaper to just make a plain, rectangular building? But still, I like your idea. Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Also, wouldn't it be much cheaper to just make a plain, rectangular building? But still, I like your idea. It would probably even be cheaper to make a Ghery-like building. But square is out, and boring. And in today's world of competition between buildings, the more abstract and out there, the better. Just look at Dubai. Anyways, I've noticed your point from the beginning, but more so along the lines that the floor space itself is only about as wide as the topmost section of the Sears Tower. Which is not very economic for leasers. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedofsound Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 A arch-hape supporting the 'C' would evenly distribute the weight.... You can't ever find a place that's nice and peaceful, because there isn't any. You may think there is, but once you get there, when you're not looking, somebody'll sneak up and write "(bleep) you" right under your nose. Try it sometime. I think, even, if I ever die, and they stick me in a cemetery, and I have a tombstone and all, it'll say "Holden Caulfield" on it, and then what year I was born and what year I died, and then right under that it'll say "(bleep) you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonpost Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 However, I haven't entirely worked out a core yet, or if one will even be possible, and also the internal columns could be tricky. Well, here's an idea...just a shot (I've had no formal education on this, I'm just a high school senior). EDIT: Oh, and imagine you have your C shape if you'd like to keep it like that...I believe the inner support system I have there could properly support such a building. You could have the open side of the C be a flat, glass encased structure...imo that'd look pretty cool. The inner supports should be right near the edge of the C opening. Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilev Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 well im still in high school, but i would like to be an engineer, applying to VT this fall...any way... techneclly it would be a plauable building if done correctly but the biggest problem is, there are way to many weak points in the building, the building itself really is that stable, from the size im thinking it would end up being it would probaly be more of a death trap then anything. the other thing i think would pose a problem is that its not really pratical, one there would be alot of extra walking, alot of people would be using the elvator so there would have to be alot of them, and also theres alot of wasted horzontal space, you would have to buy alot of land, but probaly wouldn't get the same amount of office space as a tradiational rectangular building basicly you can make a cheaper, stronger, small building alot easier then this. If your rich and wanna build this death trap, go right ahead, i sure as hell wont be using it though : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 would there be office buildings on the C, that would be pretty cool. Yes, the floor plan would be a rectangle. With areas disturbed by glass. However, I haven't entirely worked out a core yet, or if one will even be possible, and also the internal columns could be tricky. My only concern is that the building isn't economically practical... You mean the small size of each tenant floor? And the disturbing glass? That's awesome! can you design my house? Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 Gunpost, I'm not entirely sure I understand your diagram. It looks like you're trying to make the building a circle. Here's another diagram to clear up possible confusion, if some exists. Anyways, would you care to elaborate on your diagram? Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkluniux Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Umm..Is that sort of some of building or an elevator? Don't really get it... Anyways it would be good if is a building just in case some evil dictator arises from nothing and his name starts with "c". http://darkluniux.blogspot.comBehold my blog! Thou shalt visit it and rejoice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 That's awesome! can you design my house? Do you want it more out there than this one I made? Lol. :lol: I'll make it a giant dog, and leave the engineering to you. :P Anyways it would be good if is a building just in case some evil dictator arises from nothing and his name starts with "c". LMAO! :lol: :lol: :lol: Ooh look what I found, a building somewhat similar to mine: Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilev Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 just some places i see some weak spots 1 would probaly be the biggest problem, its would be free floating, if your building wasn't very strong and light that thing is ganna snap, points 2-4 would probaly be the biggests stress points, and would probaly snap right at the top when it did. point 5 isn't that big of a problem if it wasn't to big, but still be a problem. it would be alot better to go with an O because then the weight has two places to go instead of just 1 path. a second side would probaly cut the stress of the building by 50-100% the C just places to much pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 It would be alot better to go with an O because then the weight has two places to go instead of just 1 path. a second side would probaly cut the stress of the building by 50-100% the C just places to much pressure So, like an arch, it would be stable if made a full circle? What if I finished the circle with support columns, made to mimic the steal of the elevator shafts, but without floors, so it still resembles a C. Does steal in this sense seem strong enough? So essentially, this would solve my problem? I was thinking this from the begining, but I had tried to ignore it. However, it really does take away from the uniqueness, as well as the appeal of the C shape. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 That big ole' C would be a nice wind collector. Doubt that'd be enough to break it, though. I think that right above the middle, it would snap. Which is okay, because the lower half of the C makes for a nice place for the top half to land. They'd fit together just right! :P But in all seriousness, I think it would work if it were a full circle. a "C" isn't very stable, even with supports like that, I'd wager. Also, you have to think of how the rooms would be shaped...They'd almost all have a 45 degree angle (give or take) on one end of the floor. Weird. :shock: May I recommend something to you? I've noticed you've posted several things having to do with architechture type things, so I am guessing it's an interest...Go out, buy some balsa wood sticks and some wood glue and go to town. ;) We made bridges in shop class that were about...Ehh...A foot long and 6 inches tall or so, and mine was like the 3rd highest weight supporter (240 some pounds, 1st place was over 300 pounds of pressure before breaking) it was actually really fun. You'd measure angles, cut the sticks with a razor and then glue them all flat (2D), one wall (or ceiling or floor) at a time, then glue it all together (3D). It was really interesting and I think you'd have fun making some crazy stuff in your free time...If you have any. :P The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 It was really interesting and I think you'd have fun making some crazy stuff in your free time...If you have any. :P Lol. :P I major in Art 3d, so I've done this sort of stuff before. But really, I'd love to try foam core, just one problem, I have no idea how to use it. But I do know it's used for most skyscraper models, it's just the "how" that's confusing. :? Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonpost Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Ohhhhhh! Yeah, I was trying to make it a circle. I thought your original was a cross section of the entire thing...nevermind. Runescape Name: "unbug07"Expand your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisp Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 just a sketch. pink is wear supports should be also, made 3dish and added solar panels (not really, just grey roof that could be solar) :XD: Hegemony-Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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