"God hates fags"

[gehjl]

I have nothing against gays in general. Whatever life course someone chooses is entirely up to them. What I do have a problem with is a gay person that calls him/herself a Christian. Homosexuality is obviously condemned in the Bible. Regardless of whether or not you respect the Bible; if you practice homosexuality, you are not Christian, because Christianity is based on the Bible. You can't just outright go against teachings in a holy book and truly be a member of that religion.

 

 

 

Wow, that really contradicts itself, big time. Homosexuality, as percieved in the Bible, is a sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. We are ALL sinners. If you saying that gays are not Christians since they're being sinners, than none of us are Christains, since we're all sinners.

 

 

 

In the Bible, sin is forgiven, all sin, everythign from a white lie to murder, and everything in between.

 

 

 

but if you know what the bible says..answer..can a Gay goto heaven?

 

 

 

Yup, as can any other sinner, as long as they ask for forgiveness for their sin...

 

 

 

Sin is sin, okay? All sin is equal in the eyes of God, if they asked for forgiveness for being a sinner, then they'd get it.

 

 

 

If someone can get into heaven, even if they lied and cheated before, they someone else can get in for being gay.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work like that. The Bible says to confess and repent of your evil ways. That applies to everything, lying, cheaters, killers, homosexuals. You established that homosexuality is a sin, that means you have to seek forgiveness and repent of your ways, meaning you would change your homosexual ways. You can't ask for forgiveness and go right back into your sins. Therefore, a gay cannot enter into heaven.

 

 

 

Edit: I'm curious, just because I'm not going through every page. Has bballking quoted the Bible at least once in this entire thread? I've gone through like 8 pages and seen nothing, just bashing. If I was to argue against a book I don't like. I would at least have evidence behind my points.

[Chocobodude0]

I have nothing against gays in general. Whatever life course someone chooses is entirely up to them. What I do have a problem with is a gay person that calls him/herself a Christian. Homosexuality is obviously condemned in the Bible. Regardless of whether or not you respect the Bible; if you practice homosexuality, you are not Christian, because Christianity is based on the Bible. You can't just outright go against teachings in a holy book and truly be a member of that religion.

 

 

 

Wow, that really contradicts itself, big time. Homosexuality, as percieved in the Bible, is a sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. We are ALL sinners. If you saying that gays are not Christians since they're being sinners, than none of us are Christains, since we're all sinners.

 

 

 

In the Bible, sin is forgiven, all sin, everythign from a white lie to murder, and everything in between.

 

 

 

but if you know what the bible says..answer..can a Gay goto heaven?

 

 

 

Yup, as can any other sinner, as long as they ask for forgiveness for their sin...

 

 

 

Sin is sin, okay? All sin is equal in the eyes of God, if they asked for forgiveness for being a sinner, then they'd get it.

 

 

 

If someone can get into heaven, even if they lied and cheated before, they someone else can get in for being gay.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work like that. The Bible says to confess and repent of your evil ways. That applies to everything, lying, cheaters, killers, homosexuals. You established that homosexuality is a sin, that means you have to seek forgiveness and repent of your ways, meaning you would change your homosexual ways. You can't ask for forgiveness and go right back into your sins. Therefore, a gay cannot enter into heaven.

 

 

 

Edit: I'm curious, just because I'm not going through every page. Has bballking quoted the Bible at least once in this entire thread? I've gone through like 8 pages and seen nothing, just bashing. If I was to argue against a book I don't like. I would at least have evidence behind my points.

 

 

 

You do make an excellent point. But still, the point stands. Say you had lied to your parents or somethign, you then confessed and asked for repentence. What if you then go and lie again, which honestly would probably happen? You wouldn't be able to go into Heaven? Like I stated earlier, homosexuality is the same as lying, or any other sin for that matter, in the eys of God. If you apologize again (if you're sincere), then you're cleansed of that sin.

 

 

 

Sinning honestly is just a cycle of repeating sins, then asking for forgiveness for them. That cycle can be applied to any sin, not just homosexuality. By saying that, you're saying that nobody can get into Heaven. But meh, arguing of interpretations over the Bible is hard :P

 

 

 

And for the record, no, he hasn't qouted the Bible, not even once in this thread. He's just been bashing it. TBH, I doubt he's even read it... :|

[gehjl]

I have nothing against gays in general. Whatever life course someone chooses is entirely up to them. What I do have a problem with is a gay person that calls him/herself a Christian. Homosexuality is obviously condemned in the Bible. Regardless of whether or not you respect the Bible; if you practice homosexuality, you are not Christian, because Christianity is based on the Bible. You can't just outright go against teachings in a holy book and truly be a member of that religion.

 

 

 

Wow, that really contradicts itself, big time. Homosexuality, as percieved in the Bible, is a sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. We are ALL sinners. If you saying that gays are not Christians since they're being sinners, than none of us are Christains, since we're all sinners.

 

 

 

In the Bible, sin is forgiven, all sin, everythign from a white lie to murder, and everything in between.

 

 

 

but if you know what the bible says..answer..can a Gay goto heaven?

 

 

 

Yup, as can any other sinner, as long as they ask for forgiveness for their sin...

 

 

 

Sin is sin, okay? All sin is equal in the eyes of God, if they asked for forgiveness for being a sinner, then they'd get it.

 

 

 

If someone can get into heaven, even if they lied and cheated before, they someone else can get in for being gay.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work like that. The Bible says to confess and repent of your evil ways. That applies to everything, lying, cheaters, killers, homosexuals. You established that homosexuality is a sin, that means you have to seek forgiveness and repent of your ways, meaning you would change your homosexual ways. You can't ask for forgiveness and go right back into your sins. Therefore, a gay cannot enter into heaven.

 

 

 

Edit: I'm curious, just because I'm not going through every page. Has bballking quoted the Bible at least once in this entire thread? I've gone through like 8 pages and seen nothing, just bashing. If I was to argue against a book I don't like. I would at least have evidence behind my points.

 

 

 

You do make an excellent point. But still, the point stands. Say you had lied to your parents or somethign, you then confessed and asked for repentence. What if you then go and lie again, which honestly would probably happen? You wouldn't be able to go into Heaven? Like I stated earlier, homosexuality is the same as lying, or any other sin for that matter, in the eys of God. If you apologize again (if you're sincere), then you're cleansed of that sin.

 

 

 

Sinning honestly is just a cycle of repeating sins, then asking for forgiveness for them. That cycle can be applied to any sin, not just homosexuality. By saying that, you're saying that nobody can get into Heaven. But meh, arguing of interpretations over the Bible is hard :P

 

 

 

And for the record, no, he hasn't qouted the Bible, not even once in this thread. He's just been bashing it. TBH, I doubt he's even read it... :|

 

 

 

Yeah, that's true. But you can't have the mentality that it's okay to sin because God will forgive you. You have to try to live on a path with God. You have to try not to sin.

 

 

 

I doubt he's read it either. I bet he's just bashing based on something he's heard. If I was arguing against the satanic bible, I would have quotes where their mentality is wrong. I just can't say it's wrong and no point behind it to support it.

[Kwisatz]

 

I doubt he's read it either. I bet he's just bashing based on something he's heard. If I was arguing against the satanic bible, I would have quotes where their mentality is wrong. I just can't say it's wrong and no point behind it to support it.

 

 

 

If the mere fact that he's already talking himself in circles is any evidence I'd say you're right.

[gehjl]

 

I doubt he's read it either. I bet he's just bashing based on something he's heard. If I was arguing against the satanic bible, I would have quotes where their mentality is wrong. I just can't say it's wrong and no point behind it to support it.

 

 

 

If the mere fact that he's already talking himself in circles is any evidence I'd say you're right.

 

 

 

:lol: :lol: Lol just as I thought.

[Zealot]

I know that it's a little late to join the discussion, but may I put forth that perhaps the wrong question is being asked? Perhaps what needs asked is "what is God like?"

 

 

 

The God of the Bible, who I call Lord, is both absolutely just and absolutely love. If not, then the Bible is wrong, and as a consiquence I, and everybody else who believes in HIM are "more accursed then all men" as Paul put it.

 

 

 

So let's unpack what is meant by just and by love, shall we?

 

 

 

A lot of people mistake justice for fairness. Fairness is a part of it, but justice is giving everybody exactly what their actions and choices warrant. No more, no less. In light of this, Paul says that "the wages of sin is death." If I sin, I die. No questions asked. "Well, I didn't know!" Doesn't matter, I'm still dead. So in light of this does God hate homosexuals? Kinda... Well, actually HE hates the choice to reject HIM that sin entails regardless of what form it takes. We'll come back to this but first let's look at love.

 

 

 

Let's look at what John meant in his first epistle by "God is love." The Greek word for love used here is agape. What it entails is a commitment to the good of the beloved. This commitment is based not on anything that can be given in exchange for it like the natural loves, but rather this commitment is based solely on the fact that it is possible to make it. Crucify Jesus a thousand times and HE will still love you--so much that HE is willing to provide you with a place where you are safe from ever having to acknowledge that HE exists if that is what you really want. The same is true for absolutely every human being ever to exist or who will ever exist.

 

 

 

So, what we have then if the God of the Bible is Lord is a diety who intends to give everybody exactly what they deserve, and who intends to fulfill HIS commitment to providing everybody with what is best for them. Now comes the tricky part. What if what I deserve isn't what is best for me?

 

 

 

Those who sin will die.

 

I have sinned.

 

Therefor I will die.

 

 

 

Dying is not what is best for me.

 

God wants what is best for me.

 

Therefor I will not die?

 

 

 

So there is a bit of a dillama that God finds HIMSELF in. And this is how HE solves it.... HE comes down to earth, lives perfectly, makes a bunch of religious nuts grouchy so they hang HIM on a tree and kill HIM. Since HE was perfect, (ie. HE didn't sin) HE didn't deserve death. So God has a surplus death and is able to say, "you know what, I don't have to kill you now. That debt has been payed." :o :D

 

 

 

So, God is able to give us perfect justice and perfect love. Only problem is that some people for whatever reason don't like HIM. Now, with this group of people having to spend forever and ever and ever as HIS loving subjects is obviously not what is best for them. So God has to provide them with a way to avoid that fate which is in a very real way far worse then death. Enter the dreaded "H" word. A lot of people believe that the primary purpose of hell is to punish sin. This is, I believe, an error. C.S. Lewis said that everybody gets what they really want. For some this is the greatest thing ever, and for others they realize too late that what they really wanted isn't what they really need. Hell is a place where a person who doesn't want to be under God's kingship is able to take refuge from it. Will it be a horrible place? Probably. Without the presence of God I have trouble imagining anything good. (it could be argued that a lot of good comes from secularism and empiricism, to which I will respectfully point out that God's presence is, I believe inherent in this Nature that we inhabit.) However, I believe that the real point is that it is a place that Lucifer can pretend to be god all he wants, and so can anybody who wants to join him in that dilusion.

 

 

 

Anyway, sorry for the long ramble about God's nature. I think that it is important though. If we don't have some idea who HE is, how are we to know if HE hates [bleep]s? Or any other sinner for that matter? Anyway I believe that the answer is that no, God does not and is not capable of hating sinners. He doesn't like the actions that they take--that I take. But He doesn't like those actions because those actions are the ones which forced HIM to die in order to provide us with what is best for us.

[Tigra00]

I find it hilarious that you people think God suffers from tunnel vision and narrow-minded-ness SO much that he cannot differentiate as far as sin goes between murder and lying.

 

 

 

Then, you go on to claim that God DOES hate homosexuals "err...I mean...well, he hates their choice to sin...'cause it takes them away from him...and yea...so he does hate them..."

 

 

 

Then he hates you, too. According to your logic, which you've provided, not me, he hates you just as much as he hates a homosexual. As far as God's concerned, you might as well be goin' on a date with Billy tonight, because we're all sinners, right? That is your battle-cry, afterall. So as sinners, since God can't differentiate between said sins, he hates you just as much as he hates any homosexual.

 

 

 

Good job. In your attempt to be modest in your homophobia, you've claimed that God also hates you. I don't blame him, really...As far as I'm concerned, a bigot is worse than a homosexual, and I think God would feel the same way. A homosexual can stop having sex with guys (or girls, whatever) whenever he wants...Bigots rarely change. They like to keep it quite sometimes, but if you piss 'em off, surely some homophobic slurs will eventually come out.

 

 

 

As I said before, you all insult God by claiming he's unable to see a difference in a huge sin and a tiny lil' slip-up. You're talking about the being you think is so intelligent that he knows EVERYTHING, created EVERYTHING and owns your freakin' soul....But you don't give him the credit to be able to think for himself. Amazing.

 

 

 

"But that's not what scripture says lolz!" you will shout in unison, and I will say "And?", what are you going to do, use the "The word is settled in Heaven." scripture quote? Doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned, you're then just saying God is a stubborn jerk. God gave us all free-will and the ability to think, and I do believe he'd be awefully disappointed if we didn't use it, and worse off, insulted him claiming that he's below us because he's unable to see grey areas.

[Peronix]

I have nothing against gays in general. Whatever life course someone chooses is entirely up to them. What I do have a problem with is a gay person that calls him/herself a Christian. Homosexuality is obviously condemned in the Bible. Regardless of whether or not you respect the Bible; if you practice homosexuality, you are not Christian, because Christianity is based on the Bible. You can't just outright go against teachings in a holy book and truly be a member of that religion.

 

 

 

Wow, that really contradicts itself, big time. Homosexuality, as percieved in the Bible, is a sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. We are ALL sinners. If you saying that gays are not Christians since they're being sinners, than none of us are Christains, since we're all sinners.

 

 

 

In the Bible, sin is forgiven, all sin, everythign from a white lie to murder, and everything in between.

 

 

 

but if you know what the bible says..answer..can a Gay goto heaven?

 

 

 

Yup, as can any other sinner, as long as they ask for forgiveness for their sin...

 

 

 

Sin is sin, okay? All sin is equal in the eyes of God, if they asked for forgiveness for being a sinner, then they'd get it.

 

 

 

If someone can get into heaven, even if they lied and cheated before, they someone else can get in for being gay.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work like that. The Bible says to confess and repent of your evil ways. That applies to everything, lying, cheaters, killers, homosexuals. You established that homosexuality is a sin, that means you have to seek forgiveness and repent of your ways, meaning you would change your homosexual ways. You can't ask for forgiveness and go right back into your sins. Therefore, a gay cannot enter into heaven.

 

 

 

Edit: I'm curious, just because I'm not going through every page. Has bballking quoted the Bible at least once in this entire thread? I've gone through like 8 pages and seen nothing, just bashing. If I was to argue against a book I don't like. I would at least have evidence behind my points.

 

 

 

You do make an excellent point. But still, the point stands. Say you had lied to your parents or somethign, you then confessed and asked for repentence. What if you then go and lie again, which honestly would probably happen? You wouldn't be able to go into Heaven? Like I stated earlier, homosexuality is the same as lying, or any other sin for that matter, in the eys of God. If you apologize again (if you're sincere), then you're cleansed of that sin.

 

 

 

Sinning honestly is just a cycle of repeating sins, then asking for forgiveness for them. That cycle can be applied to any sin, not just homosexuality. By saying that, you're saying that nobody can get into Heaven. But meh, arguing of interpretations over the Bible is hard :P

 

 

 

And for the record, no, he hasn't qouted the Bible, not even once in this thread. He's just been bashing it. TBH, I doubt he's even read it... :|

 

 

 

There is a difference between lying to your parents on more than one occasion and being gay. If you lie to your parents and you ask for forgiveness and repent, it's no guarantee that you'll never do it again, but you'll try your best not to. Being gay is a way of life. If you are to maintain that lifestyle, it would require asking for forgiveness, and then going right back to sinning, over and over again.

 

 

 

That's like saying "sorry" for doing something wrong to your parents, then going right out and doing it again, and saying "sorry" again... after a while the word looses its meaning. Although god is extremely long-suffering, even he has his limits. He's not a pushover. Paul wrote in his letter to the Galatians:

 

 

 

Do not be mislead. God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit.

 

 

 

Obviously if you are continually sinning without putting any effort into truly repenting of them, you are not sowing with a view to the spirit, but with a view to the flesh. You're just kidding yourself.

 

 

 

But you can always repent of your sins, no matter how serious. As I stated though, if you don't put any effort into it you're showing that you aren't truly sorry for what you've done.

 

 

 

That said, I go back to my original point. I have no problem with gays in general, it's their choice alone. But if you're gay, and have no intention of changing your lifestyle, you're not a true Christian, because it IS condemned in the Bible (I can dig up a few scriptures to support that tomorrow if you guys wish).

[assassin_696]

Okay, I think this has gone on long enough.

 

 

 

Locked.